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Hounded By Recruiters, Coders Put Themselves Up For Auction

An anonymous reader writes "When Pete London posted a resume on LinkedIn in December 2009, the JavaScript specialist stumbled into a trap of sorts. Shortly after creating a profile he received a message from a recruiter at Google. Just days later, another from Mozilla. Facebook reached out the next month and over the course of the next two years, nearly every big name in tech – attempt to lure him to a new employer. He received 530 messages in all, or one every 40 hours ... the only problem? Pete London didn't exist."

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  1. how many of the jobs didn't exist as well? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    how many of the jobs didn't exist as well?

    or are 3-4 recruiters all going after the same job??

    1. Re:how many of the jobs didn't exist as well? by Iamthecheese · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Recruiters copypasta the same interview "offer" to their whole mailing list. After getting as many replies as possible they forward them to the the company. "look how many resumes I can give you!" In the end it's about the same odds as mailing your resume to arbitrary companies. I think it's deceptive and evil.

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    2. Re:how many of the jobs didn't exist as well? by pavera · · Score: 4, Insightful

      sure, I didn't completely understand/put together the multiple offers/engineer thing... as a previous poster pointed out. But as the previous reply stated, that basically makes the numbers meaningless so why share them at all except to brag... In that case its just a case of statistics (of the lies/damn lies variety)... They picked the biggest number they had (total value of all offers, regardless of whether all offers could be accepted) and put it next to the smallest number they had (number of engineers) to get an "ooh wow" effect.

      It has nothing to do with their potential revenues as that is based on accepted offers, hence my assumption of 1 per person. It is then impossible to infer anything about how many offers each engineer got, or how much the individual offers were for (although, on average each engineer did get offers worth 350-500k/yr... just might have been spread over multiple offers). Each engineer could have received an average of 5 offers of $68k/yr each and that would hardly lead to any of the conclusions of the original article... IE that there is a labor shortage, or that companies are having a hard time finding people willing to work (or even that "there's a huge need for something better in this space").... But again you can't tell anything from these numbers without the total number of offers, or the average number of offers per engineer....

      My mistake was assuming that the numbers had some meaning... Unfortunately they don't. No reason to get all uppity though, sure I made a mistake. I can own that :)

  2. seriously? not this again by CAIMLAS · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not this shit again. "We can't find talent!"

    Quite obviously employers have a very different definition of talent than people who actually have said talent and capabilities. It's either that or we are in an all-out war with employers at this point over wages and foreign worker importation/outsourcing - take your pick.

    This seems to me to be yet another ploy to push for more H1B workers and to justify outsourcing. There's no two ways about it.

    "Not enough qualified applicants" my ass. I happen to be aware of quite a few competent people who are out there looking for positions in "in-demand" fields. Guess what? They're getting stonewalled.

    (Sorry, you're going to be hiring 5 green programmers for every 2 experienced, and 5 experienced for every expert - that's just the way it is. You can't only staff experts unless you're willing to pay expert rates. It's not good for anyone.)

    If, in fact, they really think there is a lack of qualified people, here's their problem: there has been a breakdown of communication, and their formalized hiring processes, excessive HR, and outsourced employee sourcing (you know, headhunters) are at the root of the problem. Finding (and keeping) good employees is the single most important part of maintaining and growing a business. Why would you push that responsibility to someone else? What ends up happening is that headhunters (of all kinds) do end up finding qualified applicants who are looking for work - we just write them off as spam, telemarketers, or insincere requests without so much as a second notice because of how unprofessionally we're addressed. (Hint: having an Indian "initial contact" team for your HR is not a good idea; neither is using an automated system for requesting potentially qualified applicants to submit a resume via eg. LinkedIn - you're only going to get desperate people, not those who are capable.)

    The culpability for this problem sits squarely on the employer.

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    1. Re:seriously? not this again by pete6677 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also, if your company wants to hire "top 5% talent" then you need to be a top 5% employer. Top talent does not want to piss away their career in the IT department of Bank of America, for instance. If you're trying to hire top talent but are an average company, then you are the equivalent of an old fat bald dude trying to date young supermodels. It ONLY works if there's a lot of money involved.

    2. Re:seriously? not this again by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's always the silent "for the price we want" at the end of the "we can't find talent" statement.

  3. Re:Click-whoring post. How could this get approved by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Click-whoring; yes.
    Plagiarism; no.

    Just because they cut and paste a few sentences from a much larger copyrighted article, doesn't mean they are infringing on the copyright, despite what copyright pimps would like you to believe.

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  4. Re:Click-whoring post. How could this get approved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Copyright isn't the issue. Quoting from copyrighted content is fair use.

    Plagiarism, on the other hand, is trying to pass off someone else's work as your own.

    In this case, the summary says "an anonymous reader writes..." when the actual author is not anonymous and not the submitter of the story.

    Heck, at the very least put "J.J. Colao writes for Forbes..." That would be honest, but this is just shitty journalism.

  5. Re:Age vs experience... by KZigurs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But of course - in a body shop you don't want experience, as your product is billable time, not results.

  6. Re:Click-whoring post. How could this get approved by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How does this rate "interesting". If it was plagiarism there wouldn't be a link to the actual story. You can't tell someone they are trying pass someone else's work off as their own when they provide the original work. Especially when it is just a couple lines on a news aggregator site to give the readers a clue what the article is about.

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  7. Re:Reminds me a contact from Google by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've solved that problem by telling all recruiters that my minimum is $160k first thing. If I get it, great. If not, I'm happy where I am.

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  8. How to cut down on endless recruiter spam by Stiletto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I was a software engineer (12+ years of experience), I had recruiters contacting me pretty much daily, with all sorts of wonderful breathless urgency, about how they were "so very interested" in my software skills and would love to chat about their crappy entry-level job or temp position. Annoying as hell, and the recruiters have only gotten more and more desperate as the software job market starts picking up.

    Fortunately, I now get contacted about once a month (if that) by recruiters. How, you ask?

    Simple. I did a little career move over to the technical marketing side, and changed my job title on LinkedIn to "Senior Product Manager". BAM! The recruiter contacts stopped pretty much overnight. Every once in a while, I get the occasional "I notice you were once an engineer, want to come back??" message which I politely decline, but no more annoying stream of desperation. I suppose if I ever become serious about changing companies, I could always put "Senior Software Engineer" back on LinkedIn and dive through the recruiter spam.

    When you think about it, it's kind of revealing. It shows the mentality out there--people think the only thing software companies need is a steady supply of engineers. Apparently, software simply leaps from the engineers' fingertips, right into the customer's shopping cart, with no product definition, schedule, market requirements analysis, etc.

  9. Why is this surprising? by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're making up a fake resume, you can say whatever you want to...whatever you know recruiters are looking for! Why is it so surprising that a custom-tailored--but false--resume would attract attention from recruiters? Real resumes usually carry some baggage, and other less-than-ideal unless you've had a flawless career. Fake ones can be perfect.