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Pakistan To Cut Phone Services To Prevent Muharram Attacks

SternisheFan writes with this news from the Indian Express: "Pakistan's interior minister Friday said the government will suspend cell phone services in most parts of the country over the next two days to prevent attacks against Shia Muslims during a key religious commemoration. Militants often detonate bombs using cell phones and this is the first time the government has implemented such a wide-scale suspension. Saturday and Sunday are the most important days of Muharram, the first month of the Islamic calendar, especially important to Shias. Pakistani Shias Sunday observe Ashoura, commemorating the 7th century death of Imam Hussein, the Prophet Muhammad's grandson. Different parts of the Muslim world mark Ashoura on different days —neighbouring Afghanistan, for example, observes it on Saturday. 'The suspension of cell phone services will begin at 6 am Saturday and run through the next day,' Interior Minister Rehman Malik told reporters in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad. He said 90 per cent of the bombs set off by militants in Pakistan have been detonated using cell phones. Some criticized the government for suspending services, saying it was a huge inconvenience."

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  1. Idiots by some+old+guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the whole bloody lot.

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    1. Re:Idiots by slashmydots · · Score: 2

      Are you perhaps implying that getting blown up is somehow equally inconvenient? Don't be silly!

  2. I don't think there is a greater hell by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    than being a religious minority in Pakistan

    Shia, Sikh, Hindu, or Christian

    the West should just allow all religious minorities free passage out of Pakistan

    they're being hunted

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    1. Re:I don't think there is a greater hell by couchslug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. ALL Superstition is bad. ALL Superstition is enemy to the search for truth because it promotes dogma instead.

      We shoud DESPISE primitive beliefs and seek to keep their adherents away. We have enough Superstitionist nutters in the West already.

      If any can PROVE their Sky Fairie exists, I shall recant and kiss his/her/it's Noodly Appendage. They've had THOUSANDS of years to prove they aren't promoting lies designed to enslave men to other men.

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    2. Re:I don't think there is a greater hell by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and they've done a lot for pakistan:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorities_in_Pakistan

      The largest religious minority in Pakistan after Muslims, is that of the of Christians. This includes Anglicans, Protestants, Catholics, Armenian Orthodox, Assyrian/Chaldean, smaller numbers of Nestorians and more recent Evangelical sects. They are represented in many fields of Pakistani society and have to some degree, achieved higher positions in the government, bureaucracy and businesses. The Pakistani government has reserved quotas in educational institutes and reserved seats in government to ensure appropriate representation of the Christian community. Famous Pakistani Air Force pilot Cecil Chaudhry is a Pakistani Christian and was credited with numerous kills receiving the PAF awards for gallantry and bravery.

      but then

      Due to forced conversions, extortion and kidnapping of girls Hindus are fleeing to India. The kidnapping and rape of a teenage Hindu girl, Manisha Kumari, on August 7, 2012 is said to have caused widespread concern among the community. On 10 August 2012 around 250 Hindus refugees from Pakistan crossed over to India.[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

      the honorable thing to do is stay and fight for your country. which is why i hate on liberal americans who whine about fleeing to canada should republicans win

      but staying and fighting assumes an honorable opponent, and a numerical balance

      when you are vastly outnumbered, and the enemy has no problem committing vile acts that go unpunished, it is time to run, and live to fight another day, as an expat

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    3. Re:I don't think there is a greater hell by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

      i think that is a hilarious revelation in the dichotomy between left wing douchebags and right wing douchebags

      1. a right wing douchebag will claim provenance over the land, even when everyone has moved past their antiquated values that, in reality, never really existed except in myth. therefore, they think secession actually has a chance, because it nicely dovetails with their bullshit belief they are somehow more authentically american. they honestly believe, if they are in a room of 100 americans, and 99 claim that they value {X}, and this right wing douchebag alone claims belief in value {Y}, that they alone are still somehow more genuinely american, and wrap themselves in the flag. it's blindness, egocentrism and selfishness, in ripe psychological display

      2. meanwhile, a left wing douchebag will easily sever all allegiance to their homeland, revealing a cowardice to not stand and fight for their beliefs. they think lip service to insane fringe thought is enough, and that fighting for the hearts and minds of their fellow americans is besides the point. then they will flee at the earliest possible convenience, revealing how shallow their beliefs really are. as long as they think that flight is more important than fight, they will always be just empty flakes on the fringe

      left wing douchebags and right wing douchebags: you have to hand it to them, their particular strain of douchebagginess is at least unique

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    4. Re:I don't think there is a greater hell by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      i would prefer a moderate religious person over an atheist zealot, any day

      What exactly is the definition of an "atheist zealot"? Asking for positive evidence sounds perfectly reasonable to me, especially whenever what those people profess is only one of a large number of equally likely alternatives. That's just simple logic of reasoning to me.

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    5. Re:I don't think there is a greater hell by evilviper · · Score: 2

      First, let's not confuse atheists with agnostics...

      Speaking for myself only, I'd call all self-assured atheists crazy zealots. If you profess to be rational, but are CERTAIN that there can't be any deity out there, you're just nuts. There's the simple fact that you can't prove a negative, the fact that insufficient evidence to prove a positive does not disprove the original point, etc.

      If you don't know what's out there, so you don't believe in any particular religion (agnostic), I say more power to you. If instead, you're an angry, loud-mouthed jack-ass who has to spout-off about how sure you are that there's no deity, and jump into every discussion, attacking the beliefs of all those who disagree with you, calling them idiots who deserve to be harmed... You're just as much of a blind believer, and a dangerous zealot who would probably kill for his religion should the appropriate circumstances arrise.

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    6. Re:I don't think there is a greater hell by jma05 · · Score: 2

      I define atheists and agnostics quite differently.

      > you don't believe in any particular religion (agnostic)

      That's atheistic for me, not agnostic. Agnostic is when you say one/some of the religions *might* actually be correct, but there is no way to know for sure. As an atheist, I hold that all *current* religions made enough demonstrated blunders by their claims that their cosmic myths and escatologies don't deserve any further consideration (the validity of their social philosophies are a different matter, I am just referring to the supernatural bits here). As an atheist, I do not worry about whether a so far unmentioned deity beyond current religions could in fact be a causal force. I just think it is a wrong question.

      Let's replace God with Lochness monster.

      Agnostic - The current sightings don't prove existence, but it is still an open question.
      Atheistic - So many of the sightings turned out to be errors and outright frauds that the rational position is that we consider it as just a myth.

      If we do in fact find a Lochness monster, I won't be embarrassed about my position. My position was rational and being rational with available information does not guarantee correctness. It just improves the odds significantly.

      Can unicorns theoretically exist? Sure. But please excuse me if I privately chuckle at unicorn believers though. I won't normally mind their personal beliefs beyond that, but when they unilaterally think it is OK to preach to me and label me on my lack of unicorn belief, question my morality and when their beliefs start coloring public policy... which does impact my life, I do believe in calling out on their irrationality (people everywhere are rational about some things and irrational about others).

  3. Cell phones don't kill people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...people kill people.

  4. Doesn't seem a real solution by Brandano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they use a different system to detonate a bomb (and now they know the cellphones won't work, so it becomes more likely) then it will delay any call for help from the area. Can't they just set up the towers so that a new, unknown, or unregistered foreign number can only make and not receive calls? Then it's a matter of asking people crossing the border to register their number if they want to receive calls, and that makes them more traceable. In any case nothing beats good detective work, most of these "security" measures seem to be just for show, and easily defeated. Why people always seems to think that the bad guys must be stupid? Too many action movies?

    1. Re:Doesn't seem a real solution by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The bombers don't come from across the borders. The come from the next street over.
      And they use stolen phones.

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    2. Re:Doesn't seem a real solution by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 2

      Why people always seems to think that the bad guys must be stupid?

      Everybody is stupid.

      The problem is that some people are stupid enough to assume that their enemy is more stupid than themselves.

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    3. Re:Doesn't seem a real solution by ryzvonusef · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The PTA (Pakistan Telecommunications Authority) has been on a MASSIVE crackdown to block unregistered SIMs...but with a zillion unregistered sims floating around (it was so bad that *hawkers* used to sell sims with attractive numbers on stands everywhere...) that nothing short of a blanket ban is effective.

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  5. Re:Are they going to ban the sale of clocks too? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even easier - give AT&T the contract for all Pakistani cell phones. Nothing would get through, anytime.

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  6. Re:probably. by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...and binders for their women.

    no, the other kind of binder.

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  7. Uhm... That won't work... by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In addition to turning off towers, they will need to set up phone jammers everywhere. If not, all the bad guys need to do is set up one of those portable mobile phone hacking things to enable calling the remote device from a reasonable distance. I know it seems like a lot of work, but you know? If someone is going to go through the trouble of making a bomb detinator using a phone, then it's not a stretch to imagine taking that extra step to ensure that it works.

    Other thoughts? If your religion preaches intolerance, it is already a failure. (Yeah, I get it, the number of devout followers of these intolerant and violent religions would offer evidence to the contrary, but I mean failure in another sense.)

    Also, Islam would do well to learn lessons from Christianity. Look at how adaptable Christianity has been! It adopts all sorts of holidays and celebrations so that people think it's religious (like Christmas and Easter) and allows participation with pagan holidays like Halloween without fear of corrupting people because it's all in fun, not to be taken seriously. Also, in the 60s, they avoided a serious departure from Christianity in the US by changing God's personality from fire, brimstone and harsh punishment to a gentle god of love, forgiveness and tolerance. And it worked! The face of Christianity in the US today is completely different from the pre-60's version. Islam is like it is stuck 1000 years in the past.

    1. Re:Uhm... That won't work... by Princeofcups · · Score: 2

      Also, in the 60s, they avoided a serious departure from Christianity in the US by changing God's personality from fire, brimstone and harsh punishment to a gentle god of love, forgiveness and tolerance. And it worked!

      You mean the Christian god who says that killing dark skinned people is great if you think they might be a threat, that carrying a gun is great in case you have to kill someone who might try to "steal your property," that killing doctors is fine if they are "killing innocent fetuses," and that gays are such an abomination that he sent his holy plague of AIDS to kill them? When you look at it, are the Muslim extremists any worse than the Christian ones? Agreed there are issues in the Islamic world that need to be changed, such as their rampant abuse of woman, but that is more cultural than religious. Face it, they are not as different from us (Americans) as we want to believe.

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    2. Re:Uhm... That won't work... by erroneus · · Score: 2

      I get what you mean, but I guess I should have added there was a hint of joke in what I was asserting about Christianity. (What I was saying is that Christianity is so adapted and modified, that it's DEFINITELY not what the original god and/or leadership intended... it just does what it has to to keep its customers happy.)

  8. Re:Timer? by icebike · · Score: 2

    There are a lot of ways you can use a cell phone. Basically any way that triggers the speaker can be used.
    The timer option is only chosen for airplanes which will be out of cell range.

    Most of the time the bomb is triggered by a simple text message or phone call after it is carried into the target area
    by a imbecile too stupid to understand what they are doing or an equally imbecilic jihadist convinced that the 17 virgins will be waiting for him.
    The bombers are usually watching, so they can set it off early if the mule is approached by police.

    (I read somewhere that the number of village idiots in Pakistan and Afghanistan has fallen to nearly zero.)

    Second to garage door openers (not all that common in that part of the world) cell phones are simply the device that is cheapest and most readily available and drop dead (bad pun) easiest to find and use.

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  9. Once they outlaw cellphones by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 2

    Only OUTLAWS will have CELLPHONES.

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