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Canada Creates Cap On Liability For File Sharing Lawsuits

An anonymous reader writes "Over the past couple of days, there have been reports about the return of file sharing lawsuits to Canada, with fears that thousands of Canadians could be targeted. While it is possible that many will receive demand letters, Michael Geist has posted a detailed primer on liability in Canada that notes that recent changes to Canadian copyright law limit liability in non-commercial cases to a maximum of $5,000 for all infringement claims. In fact, it is likely that a court would award far less — perhaps as little as $100 — if the case went to court as even the government's FAQ on the recent copyright reform bill provided assurances that Canadians 'will not face disproportionate penalties for minor infringements of copyright by distinguishing between commercial and non-commercial infringement.'"

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  1. First global warming now this... by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet another reason to consider moving to Canada...

    1. Re:First global warming now this... by DickBreath · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't move to Canada!

      Instead, let's start importing common sense from Canada. Since it is a limited natural resource, we would have to negotiate a fair market price for it. But we need it because the natural reserves of common sense in the US seem scarce.

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    2. Re:First global warming now this... by Vanderhoth · · Score: 5, Funny

      NO!!! It's our common scene and we're not sharing it. Start making your own Eh!

    3. Re:First global warming now this... by jameshofo · · Score: 5, Funny

      We could petition our congressmen, who will then ask the Record companies if its OK! it can't hurt to ask right?

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    4. Re:First global warming now this... by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

      Relax. In a couple of generations the US will be utterly reliant on Canada for much of its grain, energy and fresh water. You can join Confederation, get proper universal health care (instead of that bizarre bastardized system known as Obamacare, something only an American government could come up with), have Prince William as head of titular head of state instead of that incredibly silly President person, an executive that can be toppled by a vote of no confidence by the legislative branch, loonie dollar coins and a more sensible approach to copyright.

      Heck, with the Westminster System, the likelihood of a third or fourth party have decent representation in the legislative branch goes up significantly.

      Oh, and we have a plucky national anthem.

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    5. Re:First global warming now this... by compro01 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't mention "plucky" and "O Canada" in the same sentence or you'll have "The Maple Leaf Forever" adherents popping out of the woodwork to proclaim the superiority of their chosen song.

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    6. Re:First global warming now this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dude man, if you can get Harper the fuck out of here, there will suddenly be more common sense than we know what to do with, and we'll ship over everything we can. But first things first, you're gonna have to get rid of Harper... how you do it is your problem, but I'm strongly of the 'don't ask, don't tell' type, if he were to suddenly go missing.

    7. Re:First global warming now this... by swillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      get proper universal health care (instead of that bizarre bastardized system known as Obamacare, something only an American government could come up with)

      We should adopt the core tenet of the Canadian health care system immediately: The federal government should get out and leave it up to the states, just as the Canadian provinces each run their own system. This would remove all of the opposition from the conservative states immediately. The "blue" states could then move forward unimpeded. Whether Canadian history would repeat, with the conservative states eventually joining as well, just as the more conservative Canadian provinces eventually did, remains to be seen.

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  3. Geist for... by Ashenkase · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Prime Minister

  4. Re:Lawsuits or levies, not both by w_dragon · · Score: 4, Informative

    You might want to read what you linked to - the levy doesn't exist on DVDs since it only covers audio. Download music in Canada, without making it available yourself (so no bittorrent), and you should be good. Download a movie and you can still be sued.

  5. $5000 dollars? by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Funny

    > notes that recent changes to Canadian copyright law limit liability
    > in non-commercial cases to a maximum of $5,000 for all infringement claims.


    But that is $5000 in Canadian dollars. How much is that in human dollars?

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    1. Re:$5000 dollars? by realityimpaired · · Score: 4, Funny

      At current exchange rates, $5,033 USD, or $4814 AUD, and the rest, you can Google for yourself.

    2. Re:$5000 dollars? by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Informative

      $5000 currently equates to $5,036.67. That's right. As of right now when I'm writing this post, the Canadian dollar is actually worth more than the American Dollar. Hard to beleve considering only 10 years ago, the Canadian dollar was only worth 65 cents US.

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  6. That was the only "pro-consumer" thing in that FAQ by Kjella · · Score: 3, Informative

    * provide legal protection for businesses that choose to use technological protection measures or "digital locks" to protect their work as part of their business models; and,
    * give consumers the ability to, among other things, record their favourite TV shows for later viewing, transfer music from a CD to a digital device, and create a mash-up to post via social media.

    In other words, stronger protections for (1) to take away (2). They explcitly repeat it under the consumer benefits as "if they are doing so for their private use and have not broken a digital lock." and under concerns of creators as "Consumers will not be able to break a digital lock to exercise these exceptions.". They're also going to hit on all sorts of "enablers" of copyright infringement, but don't worry because they say "Search engines and ISPs will be unaffected by this provision, to the extent that they act as true intermediaries." My guess is that there's no true Scotsman. But sure they capped the non-commercial infringement to $5k instead of $20k now. By the way, did anyone check if they use the US definition of "commercial" where if it has a large enough sticker value they count it as commercial anyway even if you make no money on it?

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  7. Seems sensible to me... by erp_consultant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There has to be something in place to prevent people from outright stealing of music and movies. Artists deserve to be compensated for their work. But this American notion of massive awards to greedy Hollywood studios has got to stop. Is it really fair to bankrupt people because they shared some songs? I never stole any songs but I am so disgusted with the whole thing that I have basically stopped buying music all together. It's mostly internet radio for me these days. I won't give those greedy bastards a nickel.

  8. Re:Reasonable Provisions? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, DUH!

    If there's nobody to bribe politicians, they will do what gets them votes, after all, then this is their main income. They are just like any whores, they follow the money.

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  9. Re:Lawsuits or levies, not both by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Informative

    What I do is set my upload to 0. I know, I'm a dick for not seeding, but there's not much I can do.

    In terms of being sued, it's simply not worth the company's time to sue an individual now. They're limited to actual damages (which require a receipt), court costs (we have a loser-pay system here) and punitive damages (which are reasonable here). The total liability is now up to $5000 and there is no guarantee that you would see that. In terms of digital lockbreaking tools, the tools themselves are not illegal to own, and any damages for personal use are strictly limited to what they can prove. (i.e. they have a receipt; e.g. Beardo ripped Movie instead of buying a digital copy, we're out $9.99.)

    For claims less than $25k, they would be forced to go to small-claims court, which would also prevent a label from using their Uber-Lawyer team. You'd have to have the actual person who is being damaged go to court.

    Further, the ISPs here require a warrant to disclose information. They will not share IP and personal info in a civil case because they could get sued by our Privacy Commissioner. That office has some teeth; they're the guys who forced FB to change some of their regulations.

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  10. Re:Reasonable Provisions? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You should have seen the proposed copyright laws dating back to the Liberal government of the early 2000s. RIAA and MPAA were pushing really hard for a super-DMCA, and were still putting on the pressure over the last few years. But every once in a while, making a helluva lot of noise can accomplish something. I wrote my MP three letters over the last five years detailing out how the media industry-backed legislation would significantly harm consumers, remove choice and open up even minor infringement to destructive lawsuits.

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  11. Re:Reasonable Provisions? by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "If there's nobody to bribe politicians"

    Or more simply, implement a completely transparent registry of all lobbyists, who they *really* represent, and all their meetings:

    https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/eic/site/012.nsf/eng/home

    Go ahead and try to bribe, or strong-arm. Someone *will* notice. There's people who's only job is to watch the list and report on it.