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Some Apple iMacs "Assembled In America"

whisper_jeff writes "A number of newly-purchased standard units are showing an "Assembled in America" notation. While the markings don't necessarily mean that Apple is in the midst of transferring its entire assembly operation from China to the U.S., it does indicate that at least a few of the new iMacs were substantially assembled domestically."

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  1. But... by b5bartender · · Score: 3, Interesting

    North America or Central America?

    1. Re:But... by Sez+Zero · · Score: 4, Informative

      TFA notes the language "Assembled in the USA" so that's pretty clear.

    2. Re:But... by aaronfaby · · Score: 4, Informative

      It actually says "Assembled in USA".

    3. Re:But... by b5bartender · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ah, excellent use of quotations in the summary.

    4. Re:But... by vlm · · Score: 4, Informative

      The article goes into detail about how customs officials are not amused by things like that. "more than screwdriver assembly" is required.

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    5. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Over the past 30 years, wages in the U.S. have remained flat while productivity has doubled. So the average worker is producing twice as much for the same pay. Where do you think all of that extra free production capacity goes? It maybe is related to the concentration of wealth at the top. Whatever your take on Unions, they're labor cost are still inadequate compared to production. But whatever, keep sucking up to the rich and maybe they'll actually let you kiss their ring one day.

    6. Re:But... by ranton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      they're labor cost are still inadequate compared to production

      Unless Union members are the ones responsible for the increased productivity (as opposed to the robotics engineers, business process analysts, etc.), how could you possibly think they are due any increased pay based on their increased production? Even if Union members are responsible for some of the increases in productivity, if they were being paid by the company while they were devising ways to improve productivity then they are still not entitled to increased pay (other than raises based on merit, but Unions are generally against that).

      If Unions were doing their own productivity research based on money obtained from Union dues, then I completely agree that Union members should share in the extra profit that comes from the increased productivity.

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    7. Re:But... by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 4, Informative

      Works of fiction dealing with this include ..

      * Neal Stephenson's "The Diamond Age" - not so bad, actually, the lower classes at least get free subsistence goods

      Cory Doctorow

      * Printcrime - short story, imprisonment for using your printer to print copyrighted goods
      * Makers

      Charles Stross

      * Singularity Sky - deals with a society that deliberately withholds molecular manufacturing technology from it's people, and what happens when it drops from the sky one day (literally)

      Mashall Brain

      * Manna - short story, two possible outcomes of robot labour (internment camps for the poor, and the Star Trek type utopia)

  2. Assembled in USA, not America - Big difference! by mr_zorg · · Score: 5, Informative

    The summary and title are misleading. If you read the article, the pictures clearly shows "Assembled in USA". My first thought when I saw "Assembled in America" was that Foxconn has facilities in Brazil now - so perhaps it was really "Assembled in South America". But, no, it really is in the USA. Very cool, Apple.

    1. Re:Assembled in USA, not America - Big difference! by jandrese · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've occasionally thought that some town in China could make make a killing by renaming itself USA.

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    2. Re:Assembled in USA, not America - Big difference! by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The article is misleading, too. It states "the 21.5-inch iMacs are some of the first known examples of an Apple computer being assembled in the U.S., according to Fortune."

      However, Apple ][, ][+, Macintoshes up to at least the SE and Mac II, were all made in the USA.

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    3. Re:Assembled in USA, not America - Big difference! by mrmeval · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/usa.asp

      The Usa Shrine was built there in the 8th century so the time traveler who managed to name or rename it for such a nefarious plot had to have arrived somewhat earlier.

      It's a very pretty place.

      http://www.city.usa.oita.jp/

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    4. Re:Assembled in USA, not America - Big difference! by Demolition · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just to expand on this a bit more...

      From 1976-1981, Apple manufactured all Apple computers in the U.S. They had plants in Fremont, CA, Elk Grove, CA, and Carrollton, TX.

      In 1981, they opened plants in Cork, Ireland, and Singapore to serve the European and Asian markets, respectively.

      In 1984, a second plant was built in Fremont exclusively for Mac production. The Cork factory also switched over to making Macs.

      In 1985, John Sculley took over from Steve Jobs and one of his first actions as CEO was to shut down the three original plants, leaving only the three in Fremont, Cork, and Singapore.

      In 1991, Apple opened another new U.S. plant in Fountain, CO.

      In 1992, the second Fremont plant was downsized and most of its operations were moved to Sacramento. That same year, a new plant was built in India, and the Elk Grove plant was doubled in size to accommodate a motherboard/logicboard factory. I recall that the last batch of Macs rolled out of Fremont in 1998 or 1999 before the plant itself was shuttered.

      1992 is the watershed year. From then until 1994, Apple began downsizing its U.S. manufacturing and, in turn, expanding its operations in Ireland.

      Today, all of the Apple-owned plants are gone, except for Elk Grove and Cork. Apple now relies on external vendors in several locations: Texas, Czech Republic, Singapore, South Korea, China, and Brazil.

      I'm guessing that the new U.S.-assembled Macs are made in Elk Grove and by the contractor in Texas.

  3. Misdirection by asmkm22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I couldn't care less about where it was assembled. The parts are still made in China, which is where the quality is real labor comes from. I'll be impressed if they open up actual factories here in the US, and stop using Ireland to funnel cheaper tax rates.

    1. Re:Misdirection by thestudio_bob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I couldn't care less about where it was assembled. The parts are still made in China, which is where the quality is real labor comes from. I'll be impressed if they open up actual factories here in the US, and stop using Ireland to funnel cheaper tax rates.

      I'm sure this is directed to all large multi-national companies and not just Apple, right? Or is the old adage, "Haters going to hate." in full effect here?

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  4. Assembled in USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    1. Design product in California
    2. Outsource assembly to China
    3. Import product
    4. Assemble the BOX in America, stamp "assembled in the USA" on it
    5. Put the chinese product in the US-MADE BOX !
    6. ...
    7. PROFIT !

  5. What are you typing on? by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I couldn't care less about where it was assembled. The parts are still made in China

    If you cared about both things then you had better not be typing on a computer less than twenty years old.

    Otherwise why are you harping on Apple for slowly shifting some assembly AND manufacture (remember they make chips in Texas) to the U.S. and giving every other company a free pass?

    It's obvious it's going to take some time to move much of the whole process back to the U.S., if it can be done at all. At least Apple is trying.

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    1. Re:What are you typing on? by scot4875 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The reason that Apple gets singled out is because they go to such lengths to make sure you see the "Designed by Apple in California" every time you open one of their products, to trigger the "rah rah USA company!" emotional response. If they didn't go to such lengths to intentionally manipulate people, and also if they didn't position themselves as a premium brand when, in fact, their shit is made out of the same components and made in the same facilities as everybody else's shit, they might have a justifiable argument against being singled out.

      This is potentially a step in the right direction, at least. Nowhere near enough to take them out of the "do not recommend, do not buy" category though.

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    2. Re:What are you typing on? by the_B0fh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because they actually design their stuff in California, unlike every other brand?

      Seriously, that chip on your shoulder? Doesn't it get heavy?

  6. Nothing new for CTO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This has been the case for Configure-to-order (CTO) Macs for a long time.

    Basically, bulk shipping across the Pacific is cheap; point-to-point shipping across the Pacific is expensive.

    Stock-model PCs can be shipped on the proverbial slow boat en masse to a US distribution center, essentially in a convoy, and then unloaded and shipped UPS/Fedex to your door when you order them. You only have to wait for delivery from the dist center, since appropriately configured models are arriving every day.

    When you CTO a Mac, a unit has to be specifically configured to your spec before it can be shipped to you. If this were done in China, it would have to be air-freighted directly to your address from China, which is horrendously expensive. (Shipping the unit by boat would take forever.)

    I have seen this done even when the "configuration" is to include the full-format wired keyboard instead of the wireless compact keyboard. Apple's fulfillment process basically breaks down to not-custom-at-all (= China) or any-customization-no-mater-how-minor (= US) For US customers, at least. I think they also had a similar operation in Cork Ireland at one time.)

    So instead, when you CTO, the manufacturer bulk-ships enclosures, motherboards, LCD panels, and such to a US fulfillment center, then snaps the right pieces together to complete your order. It is quite literally assembly of the system. (About as much work as building your own PC from components from Newegg, I would say.)

    I would guess that most PC vendors do much the same thing, but since typical PC towers are much more easily configurable than an Apple iMac, they probably have to do even less work stateside.

    1. Re:Nothing new for CTO by rjstanford · · Score: 4, Funny

      Every house, particularly those with children, should have a globe. Mine are next to each other on the book shelf, about ten feet away at the moment.

      Its great that they're reading the globe, but should you really keep your children on the book shelf like that?

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  7. RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm going to assume that they mean "assembled in the USA" in the same way that Levis means "made in the USA," which is to say they are fabricated in China, then a tiny sticker or a single screw or some such is applied in the US so that they can legally say the product was made in the US.

    RTFA, which quotes the FTC regs on what is allowed to be labeled "USA."

    And no, nobody else does that either. Go look; your clothes say "made in Bangladesh" or wherever. The whole "put in one screw" thing is an urban legend from the '60s or something.

  8. US robots now cheaper than Chinese workers! by presidenteloco · · Score: 5, Funny

    I knew this time would come.

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  9. Re:We apply the Apple logo in the US by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm going to assume that they mean "assembled in the USA" in the same way that Levis means "made in the USA," which is to say they are fabricated in China, then a tiny sticker or a single screw or some such is applied in the US so that they can legally say the product was made in the US.

    There are very strict rules (the FTC enforces them) about the terms "Made in the USA" and "Assembled in the USA".

    The former means that all or virtually all of a product is made in the US. Obviously, the iMac doesn't quality for this (the FTC proposed defining it as 75% of manufacturing costs were spent in the USA AND the product was "last transformed" in the USA).

    "Assembled in the USA" means that it's made up of foreign parts, but the last substantial transformation (or assembly) of the product is done in the US. Interestingly, "screwdriver" assembly of foreign parts does not count. This could easily mean that the iMac was more than importing the parts into the US and put-together there - perhaps the case assembly was produced from US manufacturing processes (including say, the friction-stir-welding), then the rest of the parts (which are China and foreign made out of supply-chain necessity)

    Do not confuse the two terms "Made in USA" and "Assembed in USA" as they are significantly different in meanting. The FTC enforces the terminology and has found companies liable for violating "Made in USA" rules. Heck, I think some companies dubiously put "Made in USA from domestic and foreign parts"....

  10. CMs for protoproduction. by AndyKron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sometimes companies start a new product in the states at a contract manufacturer so they can stay close, and work out the production lines. After that the information goes overseas. I used to work for a CM where we'd get this type of job all the time.

  11. Re:I suspect.... by the_B0fh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My god. You really think that? What is wrong with you people?! A company does something that is in the right direction, and it's because they feel guilty?

    And if they don't, it's because they are assholes.

    Talk about a catch-22.

    What about your other electronic equipment? Where are they designed and manufactured and assembled? Why do they get a fucking free pass?

  12. Re:We apply the Apple logo in the US by mister_playboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just FYI, AC's user ID is 666.

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  13. Re:Japan, not China... 1960's by rhook · · Score: 4, Informative

    The fact that items made there were imported into the USA bearing the label is true.

    FALSE.

    http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/usa.asp

  14. Re:Japan, not China... 1960's by Dare+nMc · · Score: 3, Informative

    You should probably read the Snopes reference link from your wikipedia article, which makes it very clear that USA, Japan never exported anything as "Made in USA." That transistor radio may have been imported through Saipan thus getting the made in USA label, but it didn't get that label from USA, Japan. That was never done.

  15. Lead article the The Atlantic this month by davecb · · Score: 4, Informative
    You know, the magazine where Vannevar Bush published As We May Think, the seminal article about the web? In 1945?

    This month the lead is Comeback: Why the future of industry is in America

    We saw this some years ago when NASDAQ started insourcing, after realizing they'd overshot when doing outsourcing. Now it's visible in companies like Emerson and Apple.

    --dave

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