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Nokia Selling Its Headquarters To Raise Funds

PolygamousRanchKid writes with news the Nokia is looking to generate some cash by selling its headquarters and leasing it back from the new owner. The sale price for the 48,000 sq. meter building is €170 million. "The struggling mobile phone company has operated in the glass and steel building in Espoo near Helsinki, known as Nokia House, since 1997. The sale is another step towards reducing costs and concentrating on its core business. Nokia has spent almost a third of its cash reserves in 12 months, and in October had about €3.6bn left in the bank to turn itself into a smartphone manufacturer capable of competing with Apple and Samsung."

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  1. A really sad demise by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I have a Nokia n770 and n900, and they were capable systems. In some ways Android is only now reaching a similar capability. If Nokia could have been convinced to market them, Android might never have taken the market the way it did.

    I was one of a series of consultants they did not listen to with regard to Open Sourcing Symbian and what was, and was not, still of value in Symbian at that late date. Much of what they really valued - like the Symbian kernel - wasn't really business-differentiating in the eyes of the customer and nobody wanted it any longer, but yet they spent Billions on it.

    Their destiny is to become a patent troll or to have their assets bought by one. What a shame.

    1. Re:A really sad demise by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Informative

      Maybe I'm not the average customer but the Symbian kernel is differentiating to me. Symbian phones are fast as hell and have battery life that Linux and BSD powered smartphones can only dream of.

      Maybe so, but would you have spent a king's ransom to make it run IPV6? I think they did.

  2. of course they are. by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why of course they are selling the headquarters. Why would Microsoft need it when they already have a headquarters? All they just want the patents software(nokia maps) talent and factories. They already have all the bureaucracy and buildings they need.

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    1. Re:of course they are. by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Side note, does Microsoft actually need Nokia's factories or talent? Once Microsoft owns the IP, can't they simply close everything down and move the business to the US, and the manufacturing to China? If Microsoft is only concerned with (essentially) one product (the Windows 8 phone), why would they need Nokia's talent at all?

      Side side note, I wonder if this will have an appreciable effect on the economy of Finland? (Probably not, but I don't have the numbers in front of me.)

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  3. Re:Tax or Financial Engineering by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    3) Monetary reasons. They actually need the cash right now to stay in business. They're betting on a recovery and future sales covering the cost of money. (Speaking as having worked for a failing company that tried this. It probably helped them stay in business for a few more months.)

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  4. Re:They need to sell Finland by alexander_686 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    GDP is more akin to profit then to revenue. Apple's net profit was 47b in 2012, or about 1/4 of Finland. We should compare apples to Apple.

  5. Re:Queue the slashdot Nokia/MSFT hating. by Flipao · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is SLASHDOT. We are BIAS.

    You mean the company that single handedly set the web back at least five years and has been criminally convicted for anti competitive behavior and the company that is being run into the ground by the 8th largest shareholder of the previously mentioned company?

    Gee, I wonder why anyone would hate them.

  6. Nothing to do with perhaps a Memo by tuppe666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is SLASHDOT. We are BIAS.

    Its not bias of slashdot!? that has made Microsoft Windows Phone and that Nokia Strategy as popular Marmite covered spiders. Nokia twinning themselves *exclusively* with an OS that late; with less features and incompatible with its predecessors, with no viable upgrade path, with proprietary software...on hardware made in china; with less features than its predecessors or the competition at the cost to real peoples jobs, its market value, revenues; market share; brand value....only for it being replace with the latest suitor HTC [with the pattern repeated as Microsoft become their own OEM]. Has become a patent troll with Microsoft...while devaluing those patents to anyone who would have bought them.

    I'm just barely touching the surface of what is perhaps a decline of company on an unrepresented scale. I find it insulting to an nth degree that anyone would try to pass anything, anyone saying anything against this is, as emotional, although I suspect the thousands of newly unemployed probably aren't loving them right now.

    1. Re:Nothing to do with perhaps a Memo by Divebus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hehe... You said "surface"

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  7. Re:Google sells Android for less than free ... by Flipao · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seen how much money Microsoft is making out of Android?

    More than they make from Windows Phone.

  8. The Microsoft and the Nokia by DrJimbo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A Microsoft asked a Nokia to carry him across a river. The Nokia refused because it was afraid of getting stung by the Microsoft. But the clever Microsoft argued that if it stings the Nokia then they would both drown. So the Nokia agrees and carries the Microsoft into the river. Halfway across the Microsoft stings the Nokia dooming them both. In its dying breath the Nokia asks the Microsoft why it did such a thing. The Microsoft replies "it is my nature".

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    1. Re:The Microsoft and the Nokia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A Microsoft asked a Nokia to carry him across a river. The Nokia
      refused because it was afraid of getting stung by the Microsoft.
      But the clever Microsoft argued that if it stings the Nokia then
      they would both drown. So the Nokia agrees and carries the
      Microsoft into the river. Halfway across the Microsoft stings
      the Nokia dooming them both. In its dying breath the Nokia asks
      the Microsoft why it did such a thing.

      The Microsoft looks to HTC and Samsung as the Nokia sank. Grinning, it reaches for Nokia's patents as it goes under, whispering, "You see, Nokia, I can swim."

  9. Why hire M$ moles in the first place ? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I do not own any Nokia shares - and I thank the man upstairs for granting me the wisdom for keeping myself away from Nokia as far as I can.

    Back to the main stuff ---

    I still do not understand the rationale of Nokia's BoD hiring a M$ mole to run Nokia.

    What's so special of that M$ mole in the first place?

    I mean, look at Nokia now, versus the Nokia before that M$ mole took over.

    Nokia was in a decline - yes, a decline, before the M$ mole was hired.

    After that mole took over, Nokia took a nose dive.

    No longer a decline, but a nosedive.

    For how many quarters already Nokia has posted a loss?

    Because of that M$ mole, Nokia has run out of cash - and now, even its HQ building has to be sold to raise some.

    Man ...

    As I have said - I just do.not.understand !!

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    1. Re:Why hire M$ moles in the first place ? by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It wasn't a "M$ Mole" that fucked Nokia, it was 5 long years of having its thumb up its ass and no direction that killed Nokia.

      I mean look at the situation elop had handed to him, they had not one, not two, but THREE different OSes, all of them fighting internally for resources, none of them were up to the task of taking Android and iOS head on, the only thing they had in their favor was dumbphones and anybody with eyes could see dumbphones are going the way of the 8 track. They didn't have the money to compete with HP for WebOS, Apple sure as fuck isn't gonna license them iOS, the MeeGo team was quoted as saying it would "be a year to a year and a half" before it was able to match iOS and Android and of course neither would be standing still during that year and a half, and with Android they would be an also-ran because frankly Samsung and HTC just do Android better than anybody else.

      So I honestly don't see what call everyone think Elop should have done, did you want him to get the company curbstomped by putting out a half baked MeeGo? Jump into the race to the bottom that is Android? FYI look at the numbers, Samsung is making a profit but barely, nobody else is looking good right now thanks to all the competition and cheap prices, so what? What could he have done? I mean we all know the best move would have been to get WebOS but that was off the table by the time he got there, so their choices were 1.-Get slaughtered for a year and a half and hope the MeeGo team could pull a miracle out their ass, or 2.- Take a finished product from MSFT and have them foot the bill for advertising it as well.

      Hindsight is always 20/20 folks, and if he would have chosen MeeGo or Android they'd be just as fucked as they are now, Android prices are in a freefall and MeeGo simply wasn't done. So he made a call, a call that didn't pan out but frankly other than closing the doors and giving the money back to the stockholders i don't know what other call the guy could have made. maybe if they would have brought somebody in 5 years earlier, maybe if they wouldn't have let their resources get so fragmented, maybe things would have come out differently. But Elop didn't have a time machine, he had to work with what he had which by that point was a sinking ship.

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  10. Re:Queue the slashdot Nokia/MSFT hating. by Divebus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Exactly how did MS set the web back 5 years?

    Oh.. that 5 year span when NOTHING improved on IE? That piece of time between the death of Netscape and the advent of tabbed browsing (and RSS feeds) on Firefox? The lack of innovation certainly WAS Microsoft's fault. Not only that, it was their plan - eliminate everything else so they didn't have to spend money on competition.

    People used IE in the early 2000s because it came with the computer. Microsoft had won the desktop wars and with it, everything else. The era of being cross platform was gone. Everyone clicked the Big Blue E to get on the Internet and nobody was going to PAY for Netscape. IE was the logical choice as most people thought Microsoft was the only source for computer software. Under threat of never seeing your precious Word and Excel documents again, they were right.

    The ability to stifle innovation (including their own) came from two things; Microsoft Server Extensions and tolerance to really bad code, both of which were a good thing in a way. The big problem with Netscape at the time is they were trying really hard to be W3C standards compliant and, except for the addition of Java to Netscape, things moved very slowly. Microsoft grew impatient with the W3C and leapt out way ahead with Server Extensions, those little addons which made the browser much more like a client-server relationship instead of the stateless relationship originally intended with browsers. Front Page made it easy to activate complex tasks by moving the heavy lifting to the server and calling it with a simple trigger in HTML.

    Of course, Server Extensions brought many new capabilities never before seen on a browser, something the W3C couldn't keep up with and it was never Microsoft's intention to standardize them (as in go through a standards committee to define and publish the technology). The problem was that all these sites were "IE Only". Microsoft was VERY close to ensuring anyone not using a totally Microsoft technology chain on the Internet saw a blank screen. In other words, they nearly owned the Internet.

    IE's tolerance for bad coding was good for IE users as it rendered pages with broken code pretty well. Microsoft handed out a lot of free copies of Front Page to create this broken code which would render with unexpected results on other browsers. Front Page (and plain bad hand coding) made anything other than IE look illiterate. That's the price of sitting around on your hands. Microsoft was there to take it all away in a long series of brilliant chess moves... and then everything went thud for a while.

    It actually functioned rather well when it was novel, but nothing moved in terms of real technical advances unless Microsoft was threatened by some shred of competition which was quickly squashed. The next software patch would allow IE to do the same thing for free but for Windows only. Otherwise, Microsoft pretty much sat on their asses and took their sweet old time releasing anything new. Innovation was dead as long as nobody dared try to use anything else.

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  11. No hate here, just sorrow by EzInKy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It really is painful to see such a fantastic nerd friendly company hit bottom like this. I really would like them become a phoenix and raise from their ashes, but I'm not seeing it in the cards. But you know, if they would only ship an updated version of their famed N900 I'd certainly be willing to send another $600 their way, and I'd be willing to wager so would a few other million people as well. Hope those 170 million Euros will keep Nokia alive long enough to come to its senses.

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  12. Re:Tax or Financial Engineering by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    4) Protection from a hostile takeover. The first thing that corporate raiders look at, is what assets a distressed company has. If the stock market value of a company is less than its physical or intellectual property assets, you can by it, sell the assets, close up shop, and make a tidy profit.

    Nokia has just made itself 170 million € less attractive to corporate raiders.

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  13. Re:Why O Why o Why ELOP??? by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only thing they can do now is make Android phones, in a marketplace dominated by Samsung.

    Their Linux OS efforts are now so far behind, and with the sale of Qt, not likely to pick up speed, that they can't take the risk of trying to introduce another "burning platform" to the mix. Apple are not going to license them iOS, and Windows Phone is obviously a no-go (does the N9 *still* outsell all their Lumia lines?)

    The board are likely not able to mentally process the idea that the only way forward for Nokia is as a minority player in the smartphone market. They've been so used to dominating the mobile phone market, that anything that isn't domination just doesn't sound good enough. Windows Phone is their only hope for domination, because it's the only thing that can significantly differentiate them from all the Android phones out there.

    Honestly, they should go for Android ASAP. Nokia still has brand recognition - they are still the iconic phone brand that people think of, still the most recognisable default ringtone in the world, still have a reputation for quality. They should leverage their ability to build decent hardware, slap Android on it, get out there in the market (Android is the *largest* high end mobile market), and fight for their survival.

    Alas, they've become lazy. They don't want to fight - they didn't have to for so long. Instead, they are King of the Windows Phone market. Whoopee-do.