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Nearby Solar System Looks Like Home

sciencehabit writes "Gliese 581 is a red dwarf star just 21 light-years from Earth that boasts a number of planets. Now astronomers are reporting another feature that earthlings would find familiar: a ring of dust far from the star which resembles the Edgeworth-Kuiper belt, a zone of objects, each much smaller than Earth, that lies beyond Neptune's orbit and includes Pluto. The newfound debris disk is about as large as the Edgeworth-Kuiper belt, even though Gliese 581 is small and all of its known planets lie closer to their sun than Earth does to ours. The scientists speculate that the little red star harbors a more remote planet whose gravity stirs up the belt's small objects, causing them to collide and spew the dust that Herschel has discerned."

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  1. Spoiler: by Kotoku · · Score: 5, Informative

    The summary is the whole article. Also, not that much like us.

    1. Re:Spoiler: by flyneye · · Score: 4, Funny

      More like a home construction site. However due to union rules there are enough breaks and halts in construction, waiting for the proper permits and inspections that it should be habitable in several thousand aeons.

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    2. Re:Spoiler: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are habitable planets out there. Seven confirmed and over two dozen being researched. *That* should be the story.

    3. Re:Spoiler: by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Habitable zone != habitable. Go spend a weekend on Venus and then you'll understand.

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  2. Titius-Bode law by art6217 · · Score: 2

    I wonder, if the inner planets of some other systems follow that hypothesis as closely as in the case of the Solar System. Is there any data already about that?

    1. Re:Titius-Bode law by Coisiche · · Score: 2

      No wonder. They managed to fit a formula to a single number sequence of 6 values.

      I'm sure that with modern computation, a formula could be calculated for just about any arbitrary sequence of 6 values. If that is possible then that would be deserving of being titled "a law".

    2. Re:Titius-Bode law by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      Not all formulas are created equal.

      You can approximate any sequence of values with complex formulas.. but you can't do so with simple formulas. The Occam's razor of information theory, Kolmogorov Complexity.

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  3. Frost Line and Hot Jupiters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The scientists speculate that the little red star harbors a more remote planet whose gravity stirs up the belt's small objects, causing them to collide and spew the dust that Herschel has discerned.

    This seems plausible if the frost line hypothesis is correct. In that case you would always expect to have gas giants stirring up matter on the edge of a solar system. The problem is that many gas giants have been found very close to stars and inside the frost line (the Hot Jupiters). Until there is a good explanation for the Hot Jupiters, I don't think we can just blindly expect to find gas giants beyond the frost lines stirring up asteroids.

  4. Just 21 light-years from Earth by dohzer · · Score: 2

    Anyone free this weekend for a trip?

  5. Re:Less Speculation, Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see speculation anywhere in the scientific method.

    You don't? Perhaps you should reflect on the meaning of the word "hypothesis."

  6. Re:It's too bad we've wrecked this planet before by SteveFoerster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "...however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"

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  7. Demolished for intergalactic superhighway bypas by Barryke · · Score: 4, Funny

    You completely disregard the possibility of planets being demolished for an intergalactic superhighway bypas.

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  8. Despite all the complaining... by Covalent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...this is a statistically important discovery. This is a nearby solar system that is remarkably similar to our own. Find a few more like these (and we're well on our way in that department) and you'll have compelling evidence that solar systems like ours are very common. And this, in turn, suggests that habitable worlds are common.

    This would leave the Fermi paradox without one of its better possible explanations: that habitable worlds are exceedingly rare.

    It also means that human colonies in other solar systems may be more plausible than it currently seems.

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    1. Re:Despite all the complaining... by AlecC · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree. When I considered the Drake Equation, I always used to put a much lower value than most on the term expressing the probability of planets in a solar system. I was wrong: it looks as if planets are plentiful, and therefore habitable planets more plentiful than I had thought,

      The best replacement I have to solve the Fermi paradox is the possibility that the step from prokaryotic to eukaryotic life is very hard, as some biologist suggest,

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    2. Re:Despite all the complaining... by JWSmythe · · Score: 2

      It also means that human colonies in other solar systems may be more plausible than it currently seems.

          I wouldn't hold your breath on that one. We haven't even done the baby steps of having a human walk on the next planet. We stopped all that with the "we walked on our satellite", which hasn't even been repeated for decades. The idea of doing that again is met by a resounding "Meh..." and is buried under an avalanche of tweets and Facebook posts about arbitrary pseudo-celebrities. More people can tell you who Honey Boo Boo, Kim Kardashian, and Snooki are, than can name more than two men who walked on the freaking moon.

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    3. Re:Despite all the complaining... by Covalent · · Score: 2

      That's an interesting hypothesis, and personally I hope it's right. I've always worried that the Fermi Paradox results from the enormous costs of traveling interstellar distances. Societies that could attempt it simply don't because it is prohibitive to do so. I'd much rather our species travel to another planet only to find it covered in algae than to have our species bottled up here for eternity.

      Reminds me very much of "The Mote in God's Eye". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mote_in_God's_Eye The humans discover faster-than-light travel and encounter an intelligent species that never discovered the secret. They have degenerated into a civilization / crash / rebuild cycle.

      I hope the same doesn't happen to us, as I don't think faster-than-light travel is possible.

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    4. Re:Despite all the complaining... by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      ..because species with 1000 years lives dont evolve all that quickly.

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  9. Re:Less Speculation, Please by AlecC · · Score: 2

    As others have pointed out, a hypothesis is just speculation that looks good enough to take seriously. My experience is that scientist speculate continuously and wildly. Of course, most such speculations get shot down before they get further than lunchtime gossip. It is when a speculation stands up to quite a lot of lunchtimes that scientists begin to take it seriously and start working on it as a hypothesis. But a speculation is just a baby hypothesis.

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