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High-Frequency Traders Use 50-Year-Old Wireless Tech

jfruh writes "In the world of high-frequency stock trading, every millisecond is money. That's why many firms are getting information and sending big orders not through modern fiber-optic networks, but using line-of-site microwave repeaters, a technology that's over 50 years old. Because electromagnetic radiation passes more quickly through air than glass, and takes a more direct route, the older technology is seeing something of a renaissance."

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  1. Great... by Mitreya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the world of high-frequency stock trading, every millisecond is money

    Always good to be reassured that the market reflects the intrinsic value of the companies instead of behaving as a high-tech casino.

    1. Re:Great... by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All these stories about traders needing ultralow latencies is a symptom of a fundamentally broken system.

      So what's broken? Before we start fixing things, shouldn't we have a problem first?

      The system should be modified to be round based rather than real-time.

      Real-time looks better to me.

      10 seconds per round is long enough

      That's a bit too long for a round. How about 10 nanoseconds instead? I might be a bit facetious here, but I see no reason to help out slower traders. The market exists to trade things, not to play favorites. Those low latency traders have to work hard to gain their modest market advantage. And that is as it should be.

      In addition to the usual market benefits (such as lightning fast arbitrage and hedging, greater liquidity, etc), we also have a great arms race going on. This whole story is about a concrete spin off of HFT -- better microwave communication.

  2. The worst sort of technological development by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you have hundreds if not thousands of highly educated minds bent on squeezing out the very last drop of speed to facilitate an activity which is right up there with spamming in terms of societal benefit, well it strikes me as a tremendous and tragic waste. And yet this is what pays the bills. So: score it one point for capitalism. Yay.

  3. Re:where is the random? by durrr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Go read up what high speed algo traders are doing and you might change that opinion.
    They are abusing their latency advantage by adding orders that they cancel microseconds later, and other manipulative events that siphons value from other traders.

    Your truck analogy would be me selling you 1.5 ton gold, and being aware that you're going to drive 2000km and sell it at a profit, after selling it to you I phone my contact 2000kms away and have him sell another 1.5 ton gold at your target destination. When you arrive there, my contact have ruined your initial profit opportunity, and you're either stuck with no liquidity or can sell your 1.5 ton gold to my contact agent at a loss. So not only did I steal your opportunity, I decided to earn money off you by selling my gold to you at first for profit, and then buying it back, at profit again.

    This is not about me having an 18 wheeler, it's about me being massively priviledged in both capital, resources and information flow and using it to vampire money from the efforts of others. It doesn't add value, or efficiency, it removes it and adds voltatility and risk to everything.

  4. Re:where is the random? by SecurityTheatre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    High Frequency trading is essentially the action of manipulating the system, constantly creating and destroying orders faster than others involved in the market.

    By this, you can essentially become a man-in-the-middle for market transactions and skim a small amount off of each.

    Additionally, many of the algorithms simply forge orders and then subsequently cancel them faster than the system can process them. What this does is basically slow down the system for everyone else, and create a lag that they can further take advantage of to skim off the top.

    The major trading indicies are OK with this, because they are paid on a per-transaction basis, and happily collect their fraction of a cent from each of these high-speed traders.

    In some low volume, they do represent increased liquidity in the market and they do bring buy-sell spreads down. This is why it was first allowed in the 1990s by the market makers.

    Today, they represent something like 60%-80% of all market traffic and simply skim dollars off of trades. They invest big money in artificially delaying other people's transactions to manipulate the spread between a buy and sell order and to take advantage of market swings, because they can issue multiple buy-sell-buy-sell sequences before a single long-term buyer is capable of getting a single order in.

    It is nothing more than a high-tech fraud... it appears to be legal right now, because nobody has decided to stop it and has many powerful billionaires behind it, but in the end, it's not much different than the scheme in Superman 2 or Office Space. Skim a quarter penny off every transaction and I guess nobody notices....

  5. Re:where is the random? by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ..and then quickly recovers. You seem to want to leave that part out.

    The only problem is when the SEC gets involved and undoes transactions to protect the automated traders from the massive losses incurred by their incorrect valuation.

    --
    "His name was James Damore."
  6. Re:where is the random? by cristiroma · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Congratulations, great analogy! And I wonder, how is this legal?

  7. Re:where is the random? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Now that we've established what you are, ma'am, it's simply a matter of negotiating the price."

    --
    My God, it's Full of Source!
    OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
  8. Re:where is the random? by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    has a private account in the trading system that returns 3% PER DAY.

    No she doesn't, she's simply likes to lie and you didn't bother doing the trivial "does that make sense" check before repeating those lies.

    Or you're doing the initial lying, of course.