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Google CEO Larry Page Talks Apple, Android, Google+

Nerval's Lobster writes "Fortune magazine managed to score an exclusive interview with Google CEO Larry Page. While he doesn't reveal a whole lot about the company's future plans—CEOs are great at offering fuzzy generalities, if nothing else—he manages to reveal just a bit about the ongoing competition with Apple, the evolution of search, and monetizing mobile devices. Google's rivalry with Apple has descended into massive lawsuits, but Page doesn't exactly channel Genghis Khan when it comes to his own feelings on the issue. 'I think it would be nice if everybody would get along better and the users didn't suffer as a result of other people's activities,' he told the magazine. 'We try pretty hard to make our products be available as widely as we can. That's our philosophy. I think sometimes we're allowed to do that. Sometimes we're not.'"

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  1. Ack! PTHPPBPTH!! by bmo · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Larry Page Talks Apple, Android, Google+"?

    Gorbachev Sings Tractors: Turnip! Buttocks!

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    1. Re:Ack! PTHPPBPTH!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Proper laugh out load funny. Cheers BMO :) You made a basement office in East London ring with laughter

    2. Re:Ack! PTHPPBPTH!! by u38cg · · Score: 4, Informative
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    3. Re:Ack! PTHPPBPTH!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    4. Re:Ack! PTHPPBPTH!! by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

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    5. Re:Ack! PTHPPBPTH!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, two new pass phrases in one /.!!! (Obligatory, http://xkcd.com/936/)

    6. Re:Ack! PTHPPBPTH!! by bmo · · Score: 1

      Not just snugglebunnies...

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    7. Re:Ack! PTHPPBPTH!! by lipanitech · · Score: 1

      Page has made a good CEO there was a lot of skepticism about him being CEO of Google so far he has done great job.

    8. Re:Ack! PTHPPBPTH!! by bmo · · Score: 1

      Here... let me help you....

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      You have now been enlightened.

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  2. come on by wbr1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Google is rich and powerful. If they were seriously interested in changing patent and copyright laws that stifle innovation, they would put their where their mouth is and lobby for real change. Instead they talk it when it suits them, but they know those some laws can be used to protect their profits. Ergo hypocrisy and no real change.

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    1. Re:come on by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Google is rich and powerful. If they were seriously interested in changing patent and copyright laws that stifle innovation, they would put their where their mouth is and lobby for real change. Instead they talk it when it suits them, but they know those some laws can be used to protect their profits. Ergo hypocrisy and no real change.

      Google just purchased Motorola Mobility for their patent portfolio, and is already using it aggressively vs M$ and Apple. They are playing the game, not changing it.

    2. Re:come on by Fastolfe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So if Google stood up and said "we're not playing the patent game anymore", and got rid of all of their patents, what do you think would happen? Until the system changes, it would be kind of stupid to just sit back and get destroyed by everyone else's patent litigation. Participation doesn't mean that their primary goal isn't changing the system.

    3. Re:come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Google just purchased Motorola Mobility for their patent portfolio, and is already using it aggressively vs M$ and Apple. They are playing the game, not changing it.

      You need to look at this from the cold war perspective. Neither the US nor the USSR wanted nuclear war, but it would be utterly stupid for either of them to just get rid of their nuclear weapons.

      You have to make an agreement where everyone involved weakens their arsenals simultaneously. Until that happens, you must work to increase your arsenal to higher levels than your opponents, or risk being destroyed.

      By not entering into cross-licensing agreements, Apple is essentially behaving like North Korea, as if they don't understand the concept of MAD, and just getting all the other nuclear powers angry.

    4. Re:come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google is rich in dollars and powerful solely in the tech industry.

      FTFY.

      Being rich, or even richer than the next guy, doesn't really mean a damn thing when it comes to lobbying for laws and/or the changing of laws. Being powerful in one relatively new industry also doesn't mean a thing, not when the majority of Congress grew up following and living under the shadow of an old entertainment industry currently lobbying against everything Google is lobbying for (hell, they put Ronald Reagan up for president, didn't they?). The record and movie industries are, for a lack of a better term, "friends" with Congress, "old friends" to be exact, and there's no amount of money Google can throw at them to change that fact on an immediate basis. Google and the rest of the tech industry CAN start up their lobbying machines now and maybe change a few minor laws, but there's no way in this generation we're going to shake out all the deeply-entrenched relationships that party leaders and legislators have with the old industries. It's going to take many years and the natural deaths* of a LOT of stodgy old white people before anything changes.

      *: Yes, natural death. It'd only take one assassination to turn "Congressperson X's long-term relationship with the movie/music industry" to "a martyr for his/her cause".

    5. Re:come on by kelemvor4 · · Score: 2

      Google just purchased Motorola Mobility for their patent portfolio, and is already using it aggressively vs M$ and Apple. They are playing the game, not changing it.

      You need to look at this from the cold war perspective. Neither the US nor the USSR wanted nuclear war, but it would be utterly stupid for either of them to just get rid of their nuclear weapons.

      You have to make an agreement where everyone involved weakens their arsenals simultaneously. Until that happens, you must work to increase your arsenal to higher levels than your opponents, or risk being destroyed.

      By not entering into cross-licensing agreements, Apple is essentially behaving like North Korea, as if they don't understand the concept of MAD, and just getting all the other nuclear powers angry.

      The world is having more success at disarming Apple than it has with North Korea. Source: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/12/07/2346246/steve-jobs-patent-on-iphone-declared-invalid

    6. Re:come on by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So if Google stood up and said "we're not playing the patent game anymore", and got rid of all of their patents, what do you think would happen? Until the system changes, it would be kind of stupid to just sit back and get destroyed by everyone else's patent litigation. Participation doesn't mean that their primary goal isn't changing the system.

      Most believed Google would be using the Motorola patents defensively. Instead they are using the Motorola Mobility patent portfolio to ban everything from smartphones, to tablets, to the Xbox 360.

      http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/1112740990/motorola-microsoft-xbox-lawsuit-120312/

    7. Re:come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is rich and powerful. If they were seriously interested in changing patent and copyright laws that stifle innovation, they would put their where their mouth is and lobby for real change. Instead they talk it when it suits them, but they know those some laws can be used to protect their profits. Ergo hypocrisy and no real change.

      They have to work in the existing system (like we do) until it's changed; Google and Facebook announced an anti-patent effort in the last week.

      If you think they should be doing more, or differently, how about you say what you think they should be doing. Complaining that they're "rich and powerful" is empty at best.

    8. Re:come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best defense is a good offense. And this is business, so the rules are, make enough money and keep Wall Street happy.
      I believe that they're doing well on both counts.

    9. Re:come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google DOES lobby for patent reform and has for ages. They're just not as powerful as the other side.

      When have patents ever *helped* Google?

    10. Re:come on by Methuseus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Some people believe that they are trying to get the whole patent system changed by making it unprofitable for anyone else. The more players lobbying to change it,t he better.

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    11. Re:come on by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How do you use a patent "defensively"? It's like a gun: virtually useless in stopping other bullets, but it can protect you in a firefight by forcing your opponent to worry about not exposing himself to your bullets, and thus adopting a less efficient offensive behaviour. Of course, if your opponent knows you're not going to shoot back, then your gun is entirely useless in aiding your survival. And Microsoft has picked on lots of Android vendors for the last two years with litigation (is it HTC that ended up having to pay them a fee for every device sold?), so I don't see your point.

    12. Re:come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hilarious when people expect those who disagree with certain policies or systems to simply self-sacrifice themselves at the alter of death in order to not be a part of it. Doesn't work that way with libertarians who accept unemployment, doesn't work that way with liberals that work for wall street firms, and it doesn't work that way for corporations. Get it out of your head.

    13. Re:come on by scot4875 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's the best link you have? One regarding the result of a case that had been pending since before Google bought Motorola? That sure doesn't lend a lot of credence to your claims.

      What specific products has Motorola (post-buyout) tried to take off the shelves?

      Seriously, try a little harder, bonch. This is just pathetic.

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    14. Re:come on by halfkoreanamerican · · Score: 1

      Ran out of mod points, but a metaphorical +1 for using North Korea as a reference. Agreed.

    15. Re:come on by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      How do you use a patent "defensively"? It's like a gun: virtually useless in stopping other bullets,

      Or, like a gun, you can get a REALLY HUGE one, then strut around waggling it in a REALLY obvious manner so that everyone's attention is drawn to it. That way, when opponents are sizing you up (generally what happens before the shooting starts), the have the opportunity to realise that you have a really huge gun and they will get shot with it.

      And you can use it defensively by only shooting people who shoot at you first.

      I would count a proxy war as shooting first, which is what everyone attaching andriod vendors is.

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    16. Re:come on by kaiser423 · · Score: 2

      Google just filed an brief, and brought along a couple of other heavy hitters asking the patent office to reform, and to scrub current patents for overarching generalities like "on the internet". From their brief, it even sounds like they're willing to pay the USPTO some of the cost associated with doing that patent scrub. They are putting their money where their mouth is, but in the meantime you don't win a thermonuclear war (current smartphone market) without some warheads of your own.

    17. Re:come on by kllrnohj · · Score: 1

      They *ARE* lobbying for patent reforms, but just because you lobby doesn't mean it will actually work or that things will change, especially when equally rich and powerful companies are lobbying *against* you.

      If you want change elect different politicians. Either those that will do the right thing, or those that are even more corrupt and can be more easily bought by companies.

    18. Re:come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it just my geographical stance (!=America) or is this metaphor really off target (ha)? A small gun kills you, a large gun kills you. It is not defense having a big gun, or even letting everyone have a gun - it only means more people will get shot.

      How did I fare in the "metaphors dragged too far"-category?

    19. Re:come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather have a good gun than a huge one, it'd make it easier to kill the guy with the huge one when he is waving it about.

    20. Re:come on by kllrnohj · · Score: 1

      You and I clearly have very, very different meanings for the word "aggressively". Microsoft and Apple are both suing Motorola. Google didn't start this fight, so I'm not sure how you can call defending themselves and Android as "using it aggressively".

    21. Re:come on by snadrus · · Score: 1

      Business plans can be "more-dead" or "just crippled" depending on the impact of patents they go up against. HTC was sued by Microsoft's weak portfolio, so the plan of selling Android phones was just crippled.

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    22. Re:come on by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      You don't need to increase your arsenal to higher levels than your opponents. You just need to increase it to the level at which your second strike will overwhelm the other sides defenses and wipe them out. Of course that level might increase over time but you don't need to have a larger arsenal than your opponents.

    23. Re:come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical bully mentality. You pick on the ones who can't (or won't) stand up for themselves, not those who stand a chance of taking you out.

    24. Re:come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except if you read the article you would see that the lawsuit began a year ago, before Motorola was purchased by Google...

    25. Re:come on by davydagger · · Score: 1

      there is only one idea theif in corporate America, everyone else is trying to get their shit back.

    26. Re:come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is mentioned as one of the buyers of Kodak patents so they must certainly do play the patent game.

    27. Re:come on by davydagger · · Score: 1

      to repeat more cold war rhetoric, there is no moral equivilant between google and apple.

      "There is a diffrence between pushing an old lady out of the way of a bush, and pushing one in front of a bus, to catagorize both as pushing around old ladies is wrong".

    28. Re:come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes and the scientific term for those people is 'fucking idiots'.

    29. Re:come on by Drathos · · Score: 1

      You do realize that the cases you're referring to started before Google took over Motorola, right?

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  3. Apple has a big card they have yet to play by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Currently Google is pre-selected as the search engine for iOS devices. We all know Google hardly makes a dime from Android directly - they are an advertising company. Google ironically makes more money from iOS due to the higher usage of iOS devices around the world (and, in turn, more ad impressions).

    Something as simple as having the user select their search engine of choice during device setup, and having the list alphabetical (Bing, Google, Yahoo) would cause a significant revenue decline.

    If these behind-the-scenes talks with Apple and Google get worse, this will be the big sign.

    1. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by vlm · · Score: 1

      Built in ad blocker would probably be more exciting.

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    2. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except iOS doesn't have higher market share. Whomp whomp.

    3. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Currently Google is pre-selected as the search engine for iOS devices. We all know Google hardly makes a dime from Android directly - they are an advertising company. Google ironically makes more money from iOS due to the higher usage of iOS devices around the world (and, in turn, more ad impressions).

      Are you smoking fucking rock?

      — Android (Google Inc.) — 104.8 million units, 68.1 percent share (46.9 percent a year earlier)

      — iOS (Apple Inc.'s iPhone) — 26.0 million units, 16.9 percent share (18.8 percent a year earlier)

      Get your facts straight, jesus christ.

    4. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not talking about market share, usage share. iOS users generate more web traffic via google search than Android users do

      http://www.zdnet.com/ios-users-generate-twice-as-much-web-traffic-as-android-users-7000008292/

      http://news.yahoo.com/ios-users-generate-double-traffic-android-users-215354607.html

      http://gigaom.com/mobile/why-are-android-users-less-engaged-than-ios-users/

      Those are from this month. The pattern has remained consistant

    5. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 1

      Currently Google is pre-selected as the search engine for iOS devices. We all know Google hardly makes a dime from Android directly - they are an advertising company. Google ironically makes more money from iOS due to the higher usage of iOS devices around the world (and, in turn, more ad impressions).

      Are you smoking fucking rock?

      — Android (Google Inc.) — 104.8 million units, 68.1 percent share (46.9 percent a year earlier)

      — iOS (Apple Inc.'s iPhone) — 26.0 million units, 16.9 percent share (18.8 percent a year earlier)

      Get your facts straight, jesus christ.

      I said usage marketshare, which has nothing to do with device marketshare.

      http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustomb=1

      Hell even the Slashdot website has 30% more iOS devices than Android.

      http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/12/04/2125239/android-rules-smartphones-but-which-version

    6. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Currently Google is pre-selected as the search engine for iOS devices. We all know Google hardly makes a dime from Android directly - they are an advertising company. Google ironically makes more money from iOS due to the higher usage of iOS devices around the world (and, in turn, more ad impressions).

      Can you cite a source for that claim? The numbers Gartner most recently published make that seem extremely unlikely given about 3 times the number of android devices vs iOS. Source: http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=2237315

    7. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by ameen.ross · · Score: 3, Informative

      Look like slightly obscure sources to me.
      According to statcounter, Android had topped iOS for half a year already, with 32% and 24% market share respectively last month.

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    8. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 1
    9. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by ameen.ross · · Score: 1
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    10. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, iOS just has massively higher profits, for both Apple (by virtue of profits on selling the hardware) and Google (by virtue of the fact that more traffic hits Google's servers from iOS devices than from Android devices).

      Whomp whomp.

    11. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calm down, calm down. The Apple fanboys are just reverting to their "holding pattern" behavior, where, when threatened by reality and facts, they stay locked in a certain period of time when Apple was on top of the world. They'll remain there, feeling fully protected from the passage of time, until a messiah comes to save them again. We all saw this back in the late 90s when, in the face of Windows stomping Apple nearly into bankruptcy, the fanboys all seemed to be stuck in the early 90s, praising the glories of earlier Macs BEFORE Win3.1 took off, completely ignoring the advancement of technology and UI design patterns. This only changed when the iPod was released, Apple started picking back up, and the fanboys returned from stasis. Note carefully the large gap in most fans' memories between System 6 and OS X.

      So we can expect Apple fans to be talking as if it's still early 2010 for the next few years. As far as they're concerned, Android is limited to the G1, nobody would ever make a phone with that, and the App Store is the only place for apps on any phone. This will most likely continue until Steve Jobs comes back from early retirement to help bring Apple to glory once again, and then they'll conveniently skip over this inconvenient part of the company's history.

    12. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? are you insane? This is no adwantage to apple at all!
      To wat apple wants to switch - Bing? some AppleSearch?
      Look what fiasco was switching off google maps. Swithing google search off would be suicide - even iNuts won't buy an iPhone after that.

    13. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by sunking2 · · Score: 2

      The truth of the matter is Apple users actually use their phones for web surfing more than Android do. There are so many android devices out there that pale in comparison from a hardware/usability stand point that they simply aren't used the same way iPhones and top of the line Android phones are. They are given out for free/on the cheap so why not get one, whether you need or want the capability. I hardly ever use the internet on mine for surfing. Number of units isn't a very good benchmark to use.

    14. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're not talking market share, we're talking web usage share.

      iOS users are using using google search on the web more than Android users are. That's how google is generating more money from iOS users than Android users

      Market share has nothing to do with it.

    15. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by cjjjer · · Score: 2

      We all know Google hardly makes a dime from Android directly

      I dunno about that by licensing the GAPPS they get a cut from the phone maker who uses Android as well developers have to pay to have an account to list their apps under I would say that is making money from Android directly since without it there would be no money coming in at all.

    16. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      According to statcounter, Android had topped iOS for half a year already, with 32% and 24% market share respectively last month.

      Man, that's ... awful.

      For every iOS device sold, there are 3 Androids. Yet the traffic for Android devices is only 50% higher than iOS?

      What are people doing with their android phones? Android should be 3 times as much usage as iOS, not 1.5 times as much... or is Android the new "featurephone"?

    17. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Market share doesn't matter. iOS people use the web more. Not all android owners have a nexus or s3. They have cheap phones on cheap contracts which is why they don't surf the net much if at all and avoid paying for apps.

    18. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or maybe the iphone is inefficient with its data packing. Or maybe it spies on you more than android and sends more data back to apple. Or maybe android appeals to a wider range of users, including those who don't use their phones constantly.

    19. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      And then there are phones like the galaxy series that match or outclass the iphones in almost every way. there are android phones for everyone. There is only one type of iPhone, your only choice is to get the older one or the newer one.

    20. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      I think Apples customers probably have a limited tolerance for agenda-driven hoop jumping. They aren't all passive sheep you know - look at the rage over iOS Maps. If Apple rolled boulders down the hill at users who wanted to search the web with Google it'd just make iPhones look even more troublesome than already are.

    21. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For every iOS device sold, there are 3 Androids. Yet the traffic for Android devices is only 50% higher than iOS? What are people doing with their android phones?

      Maybe they are more frequently doing productive things, which tend to be less bandwidth intensive than, say, exchanging party videos and streaming movies. Or maybe Android -- and apps that are popular on Android -- makes more efficient use of bandwidth; the way that Google's voice search does more on the device whereas Siri relies on backend servers for the same functionality. Or maybe -- as was especially confirmed to be a particularly bad problem in the initial release of iOS 6.0, but has been mitigated in subsequent updates -- iOS makes repeated and spurious extra requests for remote resources.

    22. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by Karlt1 · · Score: 1
    23. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We all know that iOS people are vastly superior to others... especially those who use "cheap" Android phones.
      iOS people are proud to pay for expensive data plans and pay for apps which are free on Android because they have more money, are more beautiful, and like to show their superior smarts.
      Even though iOS market share has been dwindling inexorably downwards (along with Apple profits and stock price), iOS users are very secure in their belief in their superiority and will not be swayed by so-called "facts". The proof of this is that iOS users are superior web users and I also bet that if you really looked at the QUALITY of their web searches, it would show much greater intelligence, smarts, and beauty. It really doesn't matter that the iPhone has never been a very good actual phone or that there have been numerous problems with things such as "antennagate", the new "iLost" application, cameras with streaks, etc. Since iOS users are vastly superior, they can easily overcome these minor difficulties through QUALITY web searches.
      All hail Steve Jobs!

    24. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would make me very very happy.

    25. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing that the iOS people who use the web most would set their search page to google rather than bing though. My mother might find herself using Bing as the default on her iphone if they push that, but I'm not sure she knows that her phone HAS an internet browser. So I'm skeptical that google would lose a huge market share because of that.

      I'm also thinking that apple would want to tread lightly after the maps debacle of a PR move. "First maps now the internet! Apple won't let you google anymore, don't upgrade!" making it's way through facebook and twitter is probably something that apple wouldn't want to risk.

    26. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iOS users generate more web traffic via google search than Android users do

      Note how Chitika Insights doesn't state its methodology.

      Grepping User Agent strings for "Mobile Safari" will return every Android phone using the stock browser, for example..

    27. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by mosb1000 · · Score: 2

      The parent was saying that while Android is the most popular OS, many buy it on inexpensive phones with inexpensive plans which they don't intend to use for browsing the internet. If the only Android phones on the market were like the GS3 or 1X+, you'd probably see them used for internet access just as much as iPhones. Apple only makes high end phones, so you don't see people buying them just to make phone calls like you do with Android.

    28. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd love to see both Microsoft and Apple do this. It's probably the biggest improvement in overall user experience that they could ever make.

    29. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

      is Android the new "featurephone"?

      For appropriately inexpensive Android devices, yes. Yes it is.

      There are plenty of people out there who don't want or can't afford a data plan. For those people, their Android phone is a feature-phone. You can take pictures, send texts/pictures, make calls, etc. They don't use mapping or other Internet services--they have a GPS in their car or figure out there directions from an Internet-connected computer.

      My roomate's nephew was in a similar boat. When I bought my iPhone 4S, I jailbroke and unlocked my old iPhone 3GS and gave it to him. He was mostly interested in a phone with lots of space for music (32GB) that could send text messages. I flipped every switch on the iPhone I could find to make sure it didn't try to use the cell network for data because his plan on T-Mo would bill him by the byte.

      So, yeah, I'd imagine that many of those Android phones are being used as "smart phones."

    30. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by painandgreed · · Score: 0

      According to statcounter, Android had topped iOS for half a year already, with 32% and 24% market share respectively last month.

      Man, that's ... awful.

      For every iOS device sold, there are 3 Androids. Yet the traffic for Android devices is only 50% higher than iOS?

      What are people doing with their android phones? Android should be 3 times as much usage as iOS, not 1.5 times as much... or is Android the new "featurephone"?

      What's the retention rate for Android versus iOS? If the average Android user is replacing their phone every six months and the average iOS user every year to get newer models, then Android usage would be unusually high.

    31. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      I realise you can't handle the truth but anything said about the iphone applies directly to high-end android phones too. If Fandroids are going to keep touting Android market share at least be realistic about what it means and that there is a very huge variety of Android phones and the sort of people that buy them which means even if there was double the android phones that doesn't, for example, equate to twice the potential market for app developers which is why developers don't leave iOS in great numbers.

    32. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by betterprimate · · Score: 1

      What are people doing with their android phones?

      Paperweights?

    33. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by mattytee · · Score: 1

      Netcraft confirms it!

    34. Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play by ameen.ross · · Score: 1

      I'd be interested to find out with what statistics you have to back up that claim.

      By the way, statcounter doesn't count anything BUT web usage share.

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  4. I thought Chromebook would fail by Andy+Prough · · Score: 1

    But they suckered me in with the $249 price, and this little machine is just a ton of fun. Its like Desktop Android - thousands of Android apps. I think they've hit a home run with this little device.

    1. Re:I thought Chromebook would fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you an idiot? Chrome is browser only. No android apps, just HMTL web apps.

    2. Re:I thought Chromebook would fail by Sedated2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I got one of the chromebooks google shipped out for testing. I love it a lot more than I thought I would. It is the laptop I read sites/chat/watch youtube on before sleep. Very light, very quiet and it doesn't generate a lot of heat.

    3. Re:I thought Chromebook would fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I can do all of that on a $200 tablet device instead of a $249 crappy laptop (I realize you got yours for free, but most people can't). The tablet has the advantage of doubling as a nice e-Reader in bed, etc. where a laptop is sort of crappy for that use case. If you have a lot of typing to do - yeah, laptop. If you just use it for content consumption like you mentioned with some email - the tablet generally is better.

    4. Re:I thought Chromebook would fail by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Are you an idiot? Chrome is browser only. No android apps, just HMTL web apps.

      I've heard from several people that have them now that you can reload them with a real operating system. If true, it's an astounding deal.

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    5. Re:I thought Chromebook would fail by Andy+Prough · · Score: 1

      Yeah, or you can dual boot from a usb stick, or just use the Gentoo Linux underbelly by taking the Chromebook into Dev mode.

  5. Philosophy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'We try pretty hard to make our products be available as widely as we can. That's our philosophy."
     
    It's not a philosophy at all to Google. It's a business model. Let's call a spade a spade.

    1. Re:Philosophy? by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not a philosophy at all to Google. It's a business model.

      The two are not mutually exclusive. And, actually, its not a business model; it may be either a philosophy, or the core principal of a business model, or both, but its not, in and of itself, a business model, any more than "collect underpants", by itself, is.

    2. Re:Philosophy? by Fastolfe · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not a philosophy at all to Google. It's a business model. Let's call a spade a spade.

      It can be both. People don't cease to be passionate about things when they become employed.

    3. Re:Philosophy? by Noughmad · · Score: 2

      No, it really is a philosophy.

      If it were their business model, their products would actually be available, but in reality they are not. Nexus 4's and 10's are impossible to come by anywhere. Nexus 7's cost 280 euro here. Music and movies on Google Play are not avaible except in USA and some parts of Europe, not even all of EU is covered. Developers from Slovenia (such as myself) cannot publish paid apps on the Play Store.

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    4. Re:Philosophy? by RaceProUK · · Score: 2

      Nexus 4's and 10's are impossible to come by anywhere.

      LG and Samsung make those respectively, not Google.

      Nexus 7's cost 280 euro here.

      Should Asus really be expected to give the hardware away for free?

      Music and movies on Google Play are not avaible except in USA and some parts of Europe, not even all of EU is covered.

      Thanks to restrictions imposed by the copyright holders.

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  6. He left out something important! by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    'We try pretty hard to make our products be available as widely as we can. That's our philosophy. I think sometimes we're allowed to do that. Sometimes we're not.'"

    He should have stated: -

    I think sometimes we're allowed to do that. Sometimes we're not, because of our perceived one sided revenue model as interpreted by the some in the newspaper industry for example.

    1. Re:He left out something important! by iluvcapra · · Score: 1
      The proper FTFY for the statement is:

      "We try pretty hard to make our users be available as widely as we can to our adwords partners. That's our philosophy. I think sometimes we're allowed to do that. Sometimes we're not."

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  7. Yes, I'm an idiot. by Andy+Prough · · Score: 1

    And, it looks like several thousand Android apps have already been ported to Chrome. So I'm kind of a smart idiot. Like an idiot-savant I guess you could say.

    1. Re:Yes, I'm an idiot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're like Raymond Babbitt sans the ability to count cards.

  8. Hey Look! It's The Pathetic Apple Troll bonch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Still trolling Google stories with an endless number of alt accounts.

    http://slashdot.org/~bonch

    What a loser.

  9. He learned to be a diplomat. by epSos-de · · Score: 2

    Larry Page is never exact recently, he learned to keep his mouth shut, becasue his stock will drop, if he said something that is not good or something that let's people speculate about troubles.

    He prints his own money now. So he is basically set, if he just keeps his real thoughts to himself.

  10. Loophole in Google motto by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Ergo hypocrisy and no real change.

    Their motto is "don't be evil" which is not the same thing as saying "be a force for good". Maybe they see that as a convenient loophole in their motto.

    Seriously, if Google really cared about spreading their products as widely as possible they'd be spending cubic dollars on lobbying for copyright and patent reform. But they don't seem really interested in being a leader in doing this.

    1. Re:Loophole in Google motto by adonoman · · Score: 2

      they'd be spending cubic dollars

      No wonder I can't seem to get ahead, all this time I've been using rectangular or cylindrical dollars.

    2. Re:Loophole in Google motto by Fastolfe · · Score: 2

      Seriously, if Google really cared about spreading their products as widely as possible they'd be spending cubic dollars on lobbying for copyright and patent reform. But they don't seem really interested in being a leader in doing this.

      http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/22/google-facebook-spent-record-amounts-on-d-c-lobbying-in-q1-2012/

  11. I liked him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    in Led Zeppelin/ Glad to see he got a new gig.

  12. XOR Interview? by korbulon · · Score: 1

    A bit of an aside, but what the hell is really meant by "exclusive" interview? That there were no other interviewers in the room?

    1. Re:XOR Interview? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It means that the interviewee is not publicly chatting with any other outlet. It can also be made more specific, such as the "exclusive interview with Michelle Obama on the subject of Australian copyright law."

    2. Re:XOR Interview? by korbulon · · Score: 1

      Not chatting with any other outlet - at that specific time. But seems to me he could turn around from that first interview right after and give another "exclusive" interview. Like most things in the news these days, an expression entirely bereft of actual information. Journalistic aspartame.

    3. Re:XOR Interview? by SolitaryMan · · Score: 1

      This is true, but with high profile busy people like Larry, every such interview is exclusive and hard for a journalist to get.

      If Larry wanted to tell something to the press, he wouldn't do it in "exclusive" interview, he would hold a press-conference. So the value for the reader (or viewer) usually is that the interviewee does not get to pick the questions and they can get into any topic more deeply via followups.

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  13. That's TRON... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He fights for the users.

  14. They're friends when it suits by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They have no problem teaming up with apple to buy up Kodak patents. That and the Motorola deal show they aren't against patents. They're just like everyone else. I can't believe people still think they try to do the right thing. If they really wanted to do that they can start paying fair taxes.

    1. Re:They're friends when it suits by gutnor · · Score: 1

      At last somebody noticed. Samsung and Apple are very happy to build custom made factories. Apple and Google are still friend for a variety of different venture.

      Of course they are all competitors and kicking each other in the balls when it is profitable, but mostly all 3 companies have 3 different approaches and are happy to help each other for mutual benefit. All those talk about betrayal, war, hate, ... is just business as usual blown out of proportion "for fun and profit".

  15. "Monetizing" by water-and-sewer · · Score: 1

    I think monetizing is my new, most-hated word. (It used to be "premium.") Both are lame-o marketing speak. Why not just call monetizing what it is: Trying to make a profit off something. As for premium, it's intended to convey some sense of privilege or exclusivity, but it's too frequently used for utterly banal things, like "points" in some stupid marketing scheme.

    I'm having a hard time getting through the rest of the article because of that word.

    It's not exactly breaking my heart that companies are having a hard time figuring out how to make an even bigger profit off of a gadget that's already been sold to consumers. How about some device, that when you buy it, it turns your sister into a crackwhore in the service of the company that sold you the device? I'm being facetious, but I think some of these companies, if they could come up with such a technology, would have no trouble making this the reality. (They could then sell "premium" sister-services, some restrictions may apply, not valid in all states, yadda yadda yadda).

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    1. Re:"Monetizing" by Xtifr · · Score: 1

      I don't quite understand the objection. You think we should keep using a seven word phrase instead of a simple single word? That seems...pointless.

      I'll grant that the concept isn't necessarily a pleasant one, but it isn't necessarily unpleasant either. And its implications, both fortunate and un-, are shared by that seven word phrase. Unlike "premium", which is definitely used to be misleading, "monetize" seems refreshingly straightforward to me.

      I'll admit that the word has unpleasant associations for me, due to SCO's empty claims that they were going to "monetize Linux", but phrasing it another way wouldn't have helped, so I try not to blame the word for the evilness of some who use it. But not everyone trying to make a profit is necessarily evil, at least in my opinion.

      On the scale of annoying biz-speak, the word "monetize" doesn't even begin to register for me. I'm really not sure why it tops the list for you.

  16. It was defensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Read the article you linked to.

    Microsoft sued Google, they countersued.

    Isn't that defensive use?

  17. 100GB of free cloud space by Andy+Prough · · Score: 1

    ain't bad either.

    1. Re:100GB of free cloud space by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      Especially if you pay a fortune for an internet connection...

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  18. Zzzzz by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 0

    Who cares? Geeks take this shit way too seriously. Channel Genghis Khan? WTF does that even mean? He should behead the interviewer with a war axe? Actually, that would be pretty awesome, and a good distraction from the liquidation of civilization. Put it in a circus tent and sell lots of bread products.

    1. Re:Zzzzz by Korruptionen · · Score: 1

      "distraction from the liquidation of civilization." Thank you. Thought I was the only one who saw it this way.

    2. Re:Zzzzz by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Well, I got downmodded. Oh well.

  19. "Defensively" is such a load of horseshit by melted · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You know where else I have heard about using patents "defensively"? At Microsoft, circa 2001-2002 when I worked there. It was all about using them "defensively" back then. Then Microsoft had found itself struggling in a number of markets and started suing people left and right to extract royalties. Google will do the exact same thing a few years down the road, for the same reason.

  20. "Widely available" by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

    We try pretty hard to make our products be available as widely as we can. That's our philosophy.

    So, where's the Google Talk client for iOS?

    1. Re:"Widely available" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, where's the Google Talk client for iOS?

      You bought into the Apple Dream.

      If Apple don't provide what you need, you don't need it.

      It is not beholden on Google or anyone else to compensate for your choices in life.

    2. Re:"Widely available" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We try pretty hard to make our products be available as widely as we can. That's our philosophy.

      So, where's the Google Talk client for iOS?

      " I think sometimes we're allowed to do that. Sometimes we're not."

    3. Re:"Widely available" by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I never claimed that they're beholden to me; it was Page who said that they "try pretty hard to make our products be available as widely as we can".

    4. Re:"Widely available" by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Followed by: "Sometimes we're allowed to do that. Sometimes we're not."

      So why is there no Google Talk client for iOS? Maybe Apple won't let them.

    5. Re:"Widely available" by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that, if Apple were to reject any Google app during review, we'd hear about it. Heck, they didn't even reject Maps (yet?), and there's already plenty of speculation about that.

      Also, it's unclear why Apple would let them put in GMail, G+ etc, but not GTalk. Far more likely that it was never submitted. Which wouldn't really surprise me, given that they don't even have a supported desktop client app on Windows or OS X. Which is very unfortunate, since it is otherwise the single best messaging service available. I just wish I could use it to talk to my friends who have iPhones...

    6. Re:"Widely available" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Far more likely is that Google simply hasn't submitted one. After all, iOS has Chrome, Google Search (app), Google Voice, Gmail, Google Earth, Latitude, etc. Why would Apple block one random chat client? Keep in mind there are already scads of other chat clients available on iOS, so it's not that there's a blanket ban on that particular category.

    7. Re:"Widely available" by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      if Apple were to reject any Google app during review, we'd hear about it. Heck, they didn't even reject Maps (yet?), and there's already plenty of speculation about that.

      I'm not an expert on EULA's, but it wouldn't surprise me to find there is a section that says, "If your app is rejected, you cannot tell the world or we will discontinue all of your apps." Would it be worth it to Google to lose GMail, G+, etc. by publicly complaining about GTalk getting nixed?

      Note that Apple hasn't rejected Maps but we haven't heard anything about it...

      Also, it's unclear why Apple would let them put in GMail, G+ etc, but not GTalk.

      Because it duplicates functionality in iMessage?

      Far more likely that it was never submitted.

      I tend to agree, don't get me wrong. Occam's Razor and all. But as a fan of conspiracy theories, it doesn't take much of a stretch to see that Apple could easily (a) reject an app and (b) shut down any mention of it.

    8. Re:"Widely available" by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I'm not an expert on EULA's, but it wouldn't surprise me to find there is a section that says, "If your app is rejected, you cannot tell the world or we will discontinue all of your apps."

      I doubt that's the case, since there has been a steady stream of "WTF, my app is rejected" stories from all corners, including some bigger names.

      Because it duplicates functionality in iMessage?

      Yes, but then GMail also duplicates the functionality of the built-in Mail app. On the other hand, Apple has allowed many other IM clients into the store, so it doesn't seem that they count generic IM functionality as a duplicate of iMessage (which makes sense, since they use different networks which are not compatible, so one is really not a drop-in replacement for another).

      As a matter of fact, Apple has already allowed a bunch of third-party GTalk clients into the store, so I'm pretty sure that's not that. The only problem with those third-party clients is that they all suck...

    9. Re:"Widely available" by swillden · · Score: 1

      We try pretty hard to make our products be available as widely as we can. That's our philosophy.

      So, where's the Google Talk client for iOS?

      There are many Google Talk clients for iOS. One of the many advantages of choosing a standard chat protocol (XMPP) for Google Talk is that Google doesn't have to create clients for every platform to make the product available there. Google's product is available on iOS.

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    10. Re:"Widely available" by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      There are many Google Talk clients for iOS.

      Yes, and all of them suck. Half don't have push notifications, for example; the other half implement them flakily

      One of the many advantages of choosing a standard chat protocol (XMPP) for Google Talk is that Google doesn't have to create clients for every platform to make the product available there.

      If only it was so easy. Take push notifications as an example - that's server-side logic, and you need it for the app to receive and collect messages when it is in the background. A third party can only implement it by having their servers connect to Google ones using your login/password (for which you have to give it to them!). So Google is the only one who can implement that securely.

      Then also, there are also some features in GTalk that are not a part of standard XMPP. Server-side chat history, for example - which, coincidentally, is one of the major features of GTalk that distinguishes it from all other major IM services - is completely proprietary.

  21. Evolution of search by amanaplanacanalpanam · · Score: 1

    I'd be happy if they would just fix the blasted domain crowding. Filling 60% of the results with different pages all on the same domain is usually not useful.

  22. Apple too! by tooyoung · · Score: 1

    Yeah, some believe that is Apple's strategy too.

  23. Well played, AC, well played! lol by sgtrock · · Score: 1

    I'm amazed that such a beautiful piece of parody was modded into oblivion.

  24. Who are "they"? by CanadianRealist · · Score: 1

    They have cheap phones on cheap contracts

    The meaning of "they" is not very clear. Does "they" mean all Android users? You might say I'm trying to misunderstand what you said. But would you and anyone else who read your statement see a difference in the following statement?

    Some Android users have cheap phones on cheap contracts... At the same time, other Android users have expensive phones on expensive contracts because they surf the net , a lot, and ....

    1. Re:Who are "they"? by node+3 · · Score: 0

      That's exactly his point. There may be more Android phones than iPhones (though this tends to ignore iPods and iPads), *some* of those Android phones are cheap phones on cheap plans (I'd wager it's a fairly significant "some"), while pretty much *none* of those iPhones are cheap phones on cheap plans (the percentage of iPhone owners skirting around getting a data plan is functionally nil).

      What's far more interesting than Android vs iPhone (or even the superior Android vs iOS), is high end Android vs iOS. The people who buy Android phones, but don't make use of apps or data really don't count. They don't count for Google (ads), they don't count for developers (users), they don't count for web developers (ad impressions, site design considerations).

      Unfortunately, that's much harder to measure. In terms of "where it counts", I suspect iOS is doing much better than Android, though Android has made great strides over the last year. I'd like to see Android do better still.

    2. Re:Who are "they"? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Not all Android owners. The real competition with iphone is things like the S3 or Nexus and other high end phones and I suspect you'll find if you compare similar Android phones or iphone the numbers are much closer in terms of marketshare. But because Android is open for basically anyone to use there are a ton of phones that are on the low end of the market.

      Low-end Android phones aren't a bad thing. But when people say things like Android has 65% or whatever of the market that it's not really comparable. I'd even argue the low-end of Android isn't even in the same market as the high-end Android. But that is why when you look at the whole market (I.e. any phone running Android) that yes a much higher percentage of iphone users use the internet and pay for apps.

      If you compare like for like, then Android and iphone are probably about the same in net usage and app purchases.

      Yeah Android has a higher market share. That will happen when you can target a wider range of incomes. There are a lot of Android owners that Apple has no interest in because they want to appeal to the higher end of the market and those people will have better contracts and better data plans.

  25. Google is more evil than Microsoft ever was by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  26. Re:What is SlashBI for anyway? by highphilosopher · · Score: 1

    It's got to be. Smart we may be, but Business Intelligence wouldn't be a fit here.