You realize what you are saying is equivalent to saying a new windows app needs to be test on every version of windows, and on every machine combination, right?
As the main build guy at a small software company, I can attest that this is necessary.
We run automated testing on XP, Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8. As far as "every machine combination," yes and no. If your software is built for 32 and 64 bit systems, you need to test XP32, XP64, Vista32, Vista64, Win7-32, Win7-64, etc.
We also run on Linux and test on every distribution we support. Here, it's mainly glibc differences that cause the breaks. We build to the lowest common denominator, and you'd be surprised how often something works fine on RHEL4 but is broken on RHEL6 due to library differences.
We have seen lots of issues from the same code that are only reproducible on one version of Windows or one version of Linux.
If you're doing it seriously, test seriously or your product will suffer.
Regardless of my opinion on the matter at hand, after 11 years of buying and selling on eBay, it is impossible not to feel satisfaction when they lose a lot of money.
And regardless of the outcome of this, they're losing money right now, or at least not making it hand over fist.
I've recounted these and similar details before, and gotten modded down as flamebait and troll.
Well, maybe a reason for that, hmm? Like wrong information and "facts?"
He had the first Mac designed around his choices for the Apple II that Woz over ruled.
False. The Mac was already a project before Jobs knew anything about it. The only major disagreement between Jobs and Woz (who actually collaborated in early Mac development -- at Jobs' request) was the lack of slots.
the Mac was intended to supplant the very successful and projected to be long-lived Apple II
Well, duh. The whole thrust of Apple at that time was to leapfrog the IBM PC. The GUI was obviously the way to go at the time, and most Apple engineers were working on it, even the Apple II guys (][GS was the fruit of that). Did you not expect them to release something new and different after 7 years? (][ 1977, Mac 1984)
Jobs shut down the Apple II line
Bzzt, wrong. Jobs left in 1986. Some form of Apple II was in production until 1993.
It's obvious you're bitter, I'm just not clear how pushing misinformation to the kids helps. I can't believe this comes up "interesting." They don't teach them anything these days.
The fundamentals of the economy are strong! I swear! My company's NOT going down the tubes! We, uh, "turn on a dime!" Where the hell's the classifieds section? I GOTTA FIND A NEW JOB!
the translator is interpreting whatever "power supply" is in French as "food" is making it incredibly hard to follow.
Switch food to 240V for European countries. May need to attach mains adaptor to food in UK. Do not expose food to water or other liquids. Please do not daisy-chain cables from this food. Voltage drop on food normal when brownout occurs.
"The evidence refutes Plaintiffs' claims that Windows Vista Home Basic cannot 'fairly' be called Windows Vista," Microsoft said in the motion for summary judgment.
And yet their own internal communications talk about what a piece of crap it is, and how the "Vista capable" thing will blow up in their face, mislead consumers, etc etc.
Ultimate-ly (smirk smirk), the lawyers are going to be the ones to hash out these definitions, and it'll be a damn shame if "the big lie" technique succeeds, but factually speaking, Microsoft did intentionally mislead consumers.
How is this insightful? Have we really forgotten the early 90s already?
Being the "old guy," I'll teach you some history. Netscape was THE browser for the first iteration of Windows 95. NO browser was bundled OR part of the OS, although AOL was often preinstalled. (I'm not sure you'd call that...thing that came with it a browser.) Basically everyone who used a browser ran Netscape (some ran Mosaic).
Then IE 3 came out (like most Microsoft software, versions 1 and 2 were too shoddy for actual use by human beings, even end users).
Microsoft made IE free to "compete" with Netscape. It still wasn't bundled with the OS until Windows 95 OSR 2.1 -- although it was installed along with Office and other MS apps. But you didn't HAVE to have IE on a Win95 system.
That started with Windows 98.
Here's the thing: Netscape Navigator was then made free also, and it WAS bundled on many a PC maker's system. It's true Microsoft didn't *woo* anybody -- threats were more like it. Doesn't anybody remember the whole first antitrust thing?
I'm not sure what country you're in, but in my country, the USA, whoever spends the most money wins. Just like those companies with the biggest advertising budgets make the most sales.
She followed engineering because that's what her dad did, and also because she was talented in that area. However by sophomore year it was obvious she didn't belong[...]because she was more people-oriented.
She probably wasn't autistic quite to the level of her father.
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You realize what you are saying is equivalent to saying a new windows app needs to be test on every version of windows, and on every machine combination, right?
As the main build guy at a small software company, I can attest that this is necessary.
We run automated testing on XP, Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8. As far as "every machine combination," yes and no. If your software is built for 32 and 64 bit systems, you need to test XP32, XP64, Vista32, Vista64, Win7-32, Win7-64, etc.
We also run on Linux and test on every distribution we support. Here, it's mainly glibc differences that cause the breaks. We build to the lowest common denominator, and you'd be surprised how often something works fine on RHEL4 but is broken on RHEL6 due to library differences.
We have seen lots of issues from the same code that are only reproducible on one version of Windows or one version of Linux.
If you're doing it seriously, test seriously or your product will suffer.
They make me sick too. All those fancy language and communications skills. Phooey to that, I say!
Oh yes, that wonderful engineering quality they had from 1984-1997. Wait, what?
You know, that part where it says "I am not a prima donna."
I had to walk up two flights of stairs out of a basement to use a phone for years
...when Grandma would let me use it.
...that will happen.
Netcraft confirms it!
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer."
Copy "iPod", paste "Zune"
Copy "Apple Store", paste "Microsoft Store"
Copy "iPhone", paste "Windows Mobile 7"
I'm seeing a pattern here...
There's ... subject-verb agreement problems.
Heh heh. It amuses me greatly when someone falls prey to the very error he or she is attacking.
D&D should probably use more of a 1/99 ratio given the demographic.
Fixed that for you.
in our culture,
Kind of a stretch to call Ho Chi Minh City "our culture" when you're talking about the USA, no?
Regardless of my opinion on the matter at hand, after 11 years of buying and selling on eBay, it is impossible not to feel satisfaction when they lose a lot of money.
And regardless of the outcome of this, they're losing money right now, or at least not making it hand over fist.
I'm very satisfied. F them!
I've recounted these and similar details before, and gotten modded down as flamebait and troll.
Well, maybe a reason for that, hmm? Like wrong information and "facts?"
He had the first Mac designed around his choices for the Apple II that Woz over ruled.
False. The Mac was already a project before Jobs knew anything about it. The only major disagreement between Jobs and Woz (who actually collaborated in early Mac development -- at Jobs' request) was the lack of slots.
the Mac was intended to supplant the very successful and projected to be long-lived Apple II
Well, duh. The whole thrust of Apple at that time was to leapfrog the IBM PC. The GUI was obviously the way to go at the time, and most Apple engineers were working on it, even the Apple II guys (][GS was the fruit of that). Did you not expect them to release something new and different after 7 years? (][ 1977, Mac 1984)
Jobs shut down the Apple II line
Bzzt, wrong. Jobs left in 1986. Some form of Apple II was in production until 1993.
It's obvious you're bitter, I'm just not clear how pushing misinformation to the kids helps. I can't believe this comes up "interesting." They don't teach them anything these days.
The fundamentals of the economy are strong! I swear! My company's NOT going down the tubes! We, uh, "turn on a dime!" Where the hell's the classifieds section? I GOTTA FIND A NEW JOB!
the translator is interpreting whatever "power supply" is in French as "food" is making it incredibly hard to follow.
Switch food to 240V for European countries. May need to attach mains adaptor to food in UK. Do not expose food to water or other liquids. Please do not daisy-chain cables from this food. Voltage drop on food normal when brownout occurs.
"The evidence refutes Plaintiffs' claims that Windows Vista Home Basic cannot 'fairly' be called Windows Vista," Microsoft said in the motion for summary judgment.
And yet their own internal communications talk about what a piece of crap it is, and how the "Vista capable" thing will blow up in their face, mislead consumers, etc etc.
Ultimate-ly (smirk smirk), the lawyers are going to be the ones to hash out these definitions, and it'll be a damn shame if "the big lie" technique succeeds, but factually speaking, Microsoft did intentionally mislead consumers.
waving his shit-encrusted hands
And another great band name was born in the /. comments.
How is this insightful? Have we really forgotten the early 90s already?
Being the "old guy," I'll teach you some history. Netscape was THE browser for the first iteration of Windows 95. NO browser was bundled OR part of the OS, although AOL was often preinstalled. (I'm not sure you'd call that...thing that came with it a browser.) Basically everyone who used a browser ran Netscape (some ran Mosaic).
Then IE 3 came out (like most Microsoft software, versions 1 and 2 were too shoddy for actual use by human beings, even end users).
Microsoft made IE free to "compete" with Netscape. It still wasn't bundled with the OS until Windows 95 OSR 2.1 -- although it was installed along with Office and other MS apps. But you didn't HAVE to have IE on a Win95 system. That started with Windows 98.
Here's the thing: Netscape Navigator was then made free also, and it WAS bundled on many a PC maker's system. It's true Microsoft didn't *woo* anybody -- threats were more like it. Doesn't anybody remember the whole first antitrust thing?
Yet we don't, for some reason.
I'm not sure what country you're in, but in my country, the USA, whoever spends the most money wins. Just like those companies with the biggest advertising budgets make the most sales.
She followed engineering because that's what her dad did, and also because she was talented in that area. However by sophomore year it was obvious she didn't belong[...]because she was more people-oriented.
She probably wasn't autistic quite to the level of her father.
I'm no Obama supporter (sorry, I don't like socialism and never-ending government bailouts)
So you didn't support McCain either? Who'd you vote for, the libertarians?
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