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Google Nixes Some Calendar Features and Other Software Offerings

An anonymous reader writes "Google on Friday announced it is shutting down a slew of features and services as part of its winter cleaning. Google Calendar will be losing a few features, Google Sync will be axed (on the consumer side), as will Google Calendar Sync, SyncML, the Issue Tracker Data API, and the Punchd app."

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  1. Now I have to use the gmail app by alen · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hate it
    iOS and android, I hate both versions

    Might use yahoo again

    1. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2

      It's free so a user has no right to critique it? Fuck that logic.

    2. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes because IMAP doesn't have push. Firing up the radios on a phone to poll some server every 15 minutes is a giant waste of battery. Exchange ActiveSync does have push support, so killing EAS is a major step backwards for anyone using gmail on a non-google device. I'll be switching my email to outlook.com because of this.

    3. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by LordLucless · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can critique it, you just can't demand it be changed.

      Also "I hate it" is not a critique.

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    4. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not really free though. You are paying by allowing google to take your data and spy on you. It's not like google is a charity and giving things away because they're nice. If they want to continue spying on people with their "free" apps then they should listen to what the user's want.

    5. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      1) They are not 'killing EAS'. Google Sync was for accessing Google products via MS protocols -- which is ridiculous.
      2) IMAP has a push, it's just not enabled/provided by most IMAP providers
      3) Gmail has push in their own app for iOS and Android.
      4) If you're using WP8.... well, that's your own damn fault :P

    6. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by i.r.id10t · · Score: 5, Informative

      "If it doesn't cost you money, then you are the product being sold"

      Or something like that... forget where I saw it though...

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    7. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by pathological+liar · · Score: 2

      Yes because IMAP doesn't have push.

      It doesn't?

      Client support is a bit spotty (iOS Mail.app didn't support it, stock Android client doesn't either, alternatives like k9mail do), but that doesn't mean it's not there.

    8. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by BitZtream · · Score: 3, Informative

      IMAP has had push since before Gmail existed, and I've been using it since then ... and GMail supports IMAP NOTIFY (the IDLE command).

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    9. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which is why I tell my customers to avoid free services, especially by Google and MSFT, until they become massively popular because both companies tend to throw shit at the wall and if it doesn't become a massive hit it gets dumped, users be damned.

      Killing services that have hundreds of thousands, possibly even a million or more users because they don't fit some metric of popular is a good way to keep people from trying your new offerings. And since Google makes its money showing users of those offerings ads it is really not good business.

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    10. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're not paying for it, you're the product.
      or
      If you're not the customer, you're the product.

    11. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

      wrong. Push email still requires a constant connection to the server to create the network link; it's just that it doesn't need to go through the pull protocol handshake every time, but your antenna is still turned on for push - how else do you expect data to reach you?

      Antenna turned on? Antennas are just a chunk of wire.

      Imap IDLED support works exactly like ActiveSync. They both open a socket to the mail server, try to read that socket, and when nothing arrives, put the radio receiver in an extremely low power listening state. (You can even shut the receiver off for fairly long periods of time without notifying the TCP Stack.) It uses almost zero power this way.

      When the read succeeds either because the server sent something, or the socket times out (anywhere from 12 to 18 minutes later) the TCP stack briefly wakes up and re-establishes the socket and tries to read it again, acts on what it received, or puts the radio in low power state(sleep) again.

      Nothing is traveling across that link while the radio is "sleeping". Only upon the transmission of data from the server, or the closing of the socket does the radio ever become active.

      The assumption that your cellular radio is ever off is simply wrong. The vast majority of the time your radio is not transmitting anything, but it is always listening to the cell tower. So an open socket across which no data is being transmitted costs exactly zero additional battery power, except for a brief spike once every 12 to 18 minutes while the socket is refreshed.

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    12. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "If it doesn't cost you money, then you are the product being sold"

      I get the point and concede that there's a valid one to be made there, but man am I ever sick of hearing that.

      Look, it's a triangle trade. Google trades a service to you in exchange for your attention to ads; Google trades your attention to advertisers in exchange for money. The advertisers and you are both customers. Sure, it's vastly different from being a customer of a grocery store or restaurant, but it's not 100% different either, so don't oversimplify.

      "You're the product" has turned into such a damned cliche on Slashdot, and a thought-terminating one at that.

    13. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by Custard+Horse · · Score: 2

      I don't think he was demanding a change was he? Just saying that he hated it.

      Feedback is a useful tool for service providers - even when those services are free.

    14. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      IMAP does have a push system, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP_IDLE and there is also something called P-IMAP although that is far less widely supported.

      Activesync works in much the same way, it sends a sleep request and the server then doesn't respond until it has some data to send.

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    15. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by Gonoff · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Listen very carefully, for I shall say this only once

      Gmail is not free.Google rakes in a nice sum of money from it.
      You do not pay them cash directly, but they make money by selling advertising etc. . I am willing to pay this price. This gives me the same rights as any other customer of a large corporation.

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    16. Re:Now I have to use the gmail app by Stupendoussteve · · Score: 2

      In the case of Google, even paying customers are still the product.

  2. Who cares by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 3, Informative

    I prefer to use rackspace. For $3 a month I can get quality email and mobile syncing of calendars, contacts, etc and without the data snooping and surprises of shit just disappearing when Google feels like it.

    Yes it costs money but if you can't afford $3 a month then stick with the data snoop or consider getting a job.

    1. Re:Who cares by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've never noticed an issue with it. But there are other options too like fastmail (I think that's $35 a year) which anyone I know who has used it can't complain. I get less spam on my non-gmail accounts but I'm not going to say that's because they're necessarily better. It's porbably due to me using my own domain which you have to know about where as with gmail you can pretty much send email to @gmail.com and hit a valid address so I'll admit google has a harder job I would imagine.

      Fastmail might be the best option. They only do email so they're not likely to remove much unless they're going under. Though while they do only do email, they were bought by opera not that I've heard that's made much difference. I considered trying them myself but rackspace hasn't been a problem so I'm not sure I should change just for the sake of it. Email is so such a standard thing though I think it's easy to find decent cheap options and if someone does decide to charge for it they hopefully realise it's too competitive to offer a subpar service so they should hopefully not to that.

  3. Carddav/caldav? by ilsaloving · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does this mean Android will FINALLY have decent out of the box carddav/caldav support?

    That's one of the biggest things that I've preferred iOS to Android. That, and the stupid way applications are stored on the system partition so you 'run out of free space' despite having gigabytes free.

    1. Re:Carddav/caldav? by Qwavel · · Score: 4, Informative

      Whether they are better yet, I'm not sure, but Yes, they have indicated that they want people using CardDAV/CalDav instead of Exchange.

      Not too surprising, given that they have to pay MS for Exchange licensing, but I don't think these open protocols have the push support that Exchange had.

    2. Re:Carddav/caldav? by LordLucless · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's one of the biggest things that I've preferred iOS to Android. That, and the stupid way applications are stored on the system partition so you 'run out of free space' despite having gigabytes free.

      That was changed with the release of ICS.

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    3. Re:Carddav/caldav? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are two apps that deal with this beautifully: carddavsync and caldav sync. Both by Martin Gnadja, both about $3. It's the best money I ever spent - sign up for a calendar/addressbook account at fruux.com and you are totally free of both Apple and Google, syncing data using open protocols. Feels pretty good, actually.

  4. Re:Why am I using Google, again? by M0j0_j0j0 · · Score: 2

    Some of them even refuse to die! now that's a product!

  5. New features by openfrog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On other news sites, I read that Google today announces 18 new features. http://googleblog.blogspot.ca/2012/12/google-communities-and-photos.html etc.
    And here: http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/14/google-gives-google-end-of-year-update-adds-low-bandwidth-hangouts-full-size-mobile-photo-backups-better-event-planning-animated-gifs-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+(TechCrunch)&source=email_rt_mc_body&ifp=0

    Just Google it...

    But on Slashdot, I read that drivel coming right out of Burston-Marsteller, or some other PR drone.

    This is supposed to be a technology forum but somehow, some Slashdot editors perhaps seem to think that this is 'provoking' material, in the good sense of being humorous and driving up the number of comments?

    But at what price? At what price, just in terms of credibility, for a beginning?

    Could someone answer that?

    1. Re:New features by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      On other news sites, I read that Google today announces 18 new features.

      All those new "features" are just additional Google+ cruft, and are of little interest to most people.

      Basically Google appears to be hellbent on getting their foundering social platform going, and is pulling people off other - arguably more useful - projects in an attempt to somehow accomplish this.

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  6. Re:Why am I using Google, again? by LordLucless · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Say what you want about Microsoft's shoddy products, at least they're consistent.

    *cough* Plays4Sure *cough*

    At least Google doesn't demand you pay for the services they discontinue.

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  7. Re:Calendar sync? by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not unless you're using Exchange to do it:

    Google Sync was designed to allow access to Gmail, Google Calendar, and Contacts via the Microsoft® Exchange ActiveSync® protocol. With the recent launch of CardDAV, Google now offers similar access via IMAP, CalDAV, and CardDAV, making it possible to build a seamless sync experience using open protocols.

    GoogleSync and GoogleCalendarSync are Google's implementation of ActiveSync; they're not used to describe the general syncing features Google offers. This announcement is basically saying they're retiring a proprietary protocol in favour of open standards.

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  8. Re:Why am I using Google, again? by WWJohnBrowningDo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seems like every time I sign up for a non-Google service and get used to it, within a couple years Google pull the rug out from under me.

    When I signed up for GrandCentral it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. And then Google came in, brought the company, re-branded their service as Google Voice, and then shutdown GrandCentral. The problem is, Google Voice doesn't support Canadian numbers, but GrandCentral did. It's been 3 years since then and I'm still waiting for Google Voice to come up north to restore the service I lost 3 years ago.

    I know, I know, it's a free economy and Google can buy whatever company they want. Neither GrandCentral nor Google owe me any service and they're in no obligation to provide any service to Canada. But I still wish Google hasn't done that.

  9. Re:Calendar sync? by broken_chaos · · Score: 5, Informative

    The summary was pretty terribly worded -- it didn't get across the fact that, essentially, this is stuff you're horridly unlikely to be using. The actual article was much clearer and more matter-of-fact about it.

  10. Re:Calendar sync? by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's because the summary wasn't designed to inform, it was designed to enrage. This is what passes for journalism these days.

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  11. Re:Calendar sync? by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, you're ignorant enough not to know what CalDAV is, yet still consider yourself knowledgeable enough to comment on the field, so I'd say that you're the natural target audience for trollish, flamebait headlines.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CalDAV#Implementations
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CardDAV#Implementations

    http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/en/us/IntellectualProperty/IPLicensing/Programs/ExchangeActiveSyncProtocol.aspx

    Also note that ActiveSync requires an MS license to implement. Now that's lock-in.

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  12. Re:Why am I using Google, again? by Y-Crate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seems like every time I sign up for a Google service and get used to it, within a couple years they pull the rug out from under me.

    Apple is the same way - which is why I'm not relying on any of their services too heavily.

    iTools became .Mac, which became MobileMe, which spawned iWork.com which shut down when MobileMe went away with the launch of iCloud.

    Say what you want about Microsoft's shoddy products, at least they're consistent.

    "Here is this new initative called Plays For Sure! "
    *introduces the Zune*
    "Plays for Sure is not supported on the Microsoft Zune®"

  13. Farewell, appointment slots, we hardly knew ye by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3

    I am sad to see these go. Appointment slots have become increasingly useful in our department. We were getting ready to roll out a trial use of appointment slots to allow our students to self-reserve appointments with our department advisors... but now that's obviously not going to happen.

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  14. The end of Google for me. by sdsucks · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No more push email for iOS (currently done via exchange)? That's the last reason I actually use any Google services.

    I've been moving away from Google for about a year now because I feel that they have turned form only partially evil to complete evil. Eliminating push email is the final trigger to get me to completely eliminate Google services from my life.

    Goodbye Google, and thanks for the years of services. Good luck with that G+ thing that you're pushing so hard. I'm sure someone likes it, since you've managed to alienate so many by forcing it upon us (and yes - I would say "forced" is adequate - the last gmail account I signed up for automatically had a G+ profile created...).

    1. Re:The end of Google for me. by kllrnohj · · Score: 2

      I've been moving away from Google for about a year now because I feel that they have turned form only partially evil to complete evil.

      Oh for fuck's sake, are you kidding? Not support a proprietary, Microsoft protocol and instead using open, free protocols is *EVIL* now?

      The only way you can trot this out in relation to "don't be evil" would be this is Google being *LESS* evil.

    2. Re:The end of Google for me. by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I feel that they have turned form only partially evil to complete evil. Eliminating push email is the final trigger to get me to completely eliminate Google services from my life.

      So in an effort to embrace and open standard and axe support for horrible proprietary crap from Microsoft you're now ditching them because they've become ... too evil?

      *slow clap*

      Please do us all a favour and stop moaning and just go and migrate to MobileMe, err I mean iWorks, err mean iCloud and I'm not even sure it's still iCloud I mean it has been out for like a year so I expect Apple to axe it in favour of the next incompatible proprietary crap soon.

    3. Re:The end of Google for me. by arkhan_jg · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is an open standard for push support for email - IMAP IDLE. GMail implements it, as do most IMAP services, and a lot of IMAP clients. Microsoft's patented ActiveSync, designed for use with exchange/outlook, is also licenced by google both for client devices (android) and their servers, i.e. GMail/google apps, primarily so they can both connect to exchange as client, or serve up activesync for outlook clients. The server side is is now going away on their free personal gmail accounts - presumably because of the licencing fees for a not-often used service on their free version, as outlook also now supports IMAP IDLE.

      Apple supports IMAP IDLE on OSX in Mail, but not iOS. It does support ActiveSync, so iOS can connect to Exchange servers. But Apple not supporting IMAP IDLE is the exception, not the rule. They say it's too power hungry for mobile devices, which is partly true - but activesync works very similarly, and is a similar power drain, and they support that.

      Apple use their own method for iCloud I believe (which is why it fell foul of patent infringement in Germany, and had to turn off iCloud push support there).

      So you have various options. Use the Gmail app, and get push that way (I don't know what method google uses for the App). Forward your google mail to icloud, and use that, if you want to hang onto your gmail address. Use a 3rd party app to implement IMAP IDLE support (for example PushMail on the app store should do it, it's aimed at Sparrow but does support the native Mail app on iOS by the looks of it). Implementing a 3rd party solution on iOS is tricky, as you need it to run in the background since iOS doesn't include IDLE support natively, and that is restricted heavily on iOS, which is why I believe Sparrow never got IDLE support.

      But google was one of the very few services to implement activesync in the first place, apart from Exchange itself of course. If you want push email support, the standard is IMAP IDLE basically everywhere. So your complaint is that Google is dropping a patented, proprietary de-facto Microsoft standard for free accounts while keeping the open standard that Apple doesn't support on iOS, is to complain how evil Google is, and migrate to...?

      A closed proprietary standard by Apple that only works with their software - iCloud? (Let's hope they keep that one going longer than mobile.me or its predecessors)
      Another IMAP provider that provides IMAP IDLE support, but not Microsoft's activesync, leaving you in the same boat?
      A hosted Exchange account? (shudder)

      I'd suggest your actual problem is an insistence on using a client OS device that doesn't support open standards, and makes it very hard for 3rd party apps to do so.

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  15. Re:You just have to use the gmail app for push by sdsucks · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So they are essentially forcing me to use two applications for my email then, if I want push from them (since they are far from the only email provider I use).

    Same shit different pile ;). All said, it's a move I've been intending for awhile anyway, so this is just motivation to make the move away from their services.

    I was using the new Google Maps app for iOS the other day and it seems like every page i open it wants me to sign into my Google account so they can track me. Deleted. I prefer paid offline maps anyway, since I live in Canada and often travel where cell coverage is limited.

  16. Not just Series 60 by Echemus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Turning off support for syncing Symbian/S60 devices will also cripple the non-Symbian devices that support Mail For Exchange; the N9, N900 and N950.

  17. Re:You just have to use the gmail app for push by halltk1983 · · Score: 2

    Since it's an open source protocol, your other mail apps are welcome to implement the feature. Or you could switch to one that supports open source protocols for all your email. Perhaps contacting the developer might help?

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  18. Re:A shame by halltk1983 · · Score: 2

    They're getting rid of the "Exchange nonsense". They're switching from the exchange MAPI protocols to open protocols.

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  19. Re:Why am I using Google, again? by scsirob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Welcome to the sweet world of Cloud. Where everything is cheap and available. Until it is not..
    Lesson learned: If your business depends on specific tools or functionality, set up your own infrastructure.

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  20. Re:Spy? C'mon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You guys really need a dictionary.

    spy /sp/
    Noun: A person who secretly collects and reports information about an enemy or competitor.
    Verb: Work for an organization by secretly collecting information about enemies or competitors.

    Note the word 'secretly'. I dont think this counts as secret: https://www.google.com/dashboard/

  21. Re:Why am I using Google, again? by Y-Crate · · Score: 3, Informative

    Welcome to the sweet world of Cloud. Where everything is cheap and available. Until it is not..
    Lesson learned: If your business depends on specific tools or functionality, set up your own infrastructure.

    Exactly.

    It's the little things that really get to me. Logged into Google Docs not too long ago and discovered that all support for exporting as plain .doc files had been removed. No warning. Just gone.

    "Just use .docx and join us in the 21st century!" I know. But the fact that the feature was taken away without asking, or even being told ahead of time... that's infuriating.

    How many times have you kept a legacy piece of software around for a specific reason? Now imagine having it erased, along with all backup copies. Shitty, huh?

    I use the hell out of Apple and Google products, but I'm really tired of hearing "Just trust us this time. This is the real cloud-based solution! We're not going to pull the rug out from under you again!"

    I use the cloud for matters of convenience, not necessity. And I don't see that changing anytime soon.

  22. Re:Why am I using Google, again? by 21mhz · · Score: 2

    At least Google doesn't demand you pay for the services they discontinue.

    From TFAnnouncement:

    Google Sync will continue to be fully supported for Google Apps for Business, Government and Education. Users of those products are unaffected by this announcement.

    Sounds like paid-only availability to me.

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  23. Why not to use Cloud Apps by pubwvj · · Score: 2

    This is why I don't use cloud/web apps and specifically don't use Google products. If I'm using a tool to get my work done I don't want the maker suddenly yanking it or even features out from under me.

  24. Re:Why am I using Google, again? by nebular · · Score: 3, Informative

    You do realize why they don't support Canadian numbers right? They'd have to be classified as a telecommunications company. Then they'd be subject to CRTC regulations, foreign ownership rules, etc..

    They got whatever licences GrandCentral had, but haven't bothered trying to extend them or renew them.

    Entering into the Telecommunications market in Canada can be a scary beast, especially if you're not canadian. Wind learned all about that.

  25. Re:Spy? C'mon by halltk1983 · · Score: 2

    This really doesn't look much like legalese to me. Seems a lot like plain english. Let me guess, you never actually read it? http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/

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