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Facebook Ordered To End Its Real Name Policy In Germany

An anonymous reader writes with a blow to Facebook's policy banning accounts under pseudonyms. From the article: "A German privacy regulator ordered Facebook to stop enforcing its real name policy because it violates a German law that gives users the right to use nicknames online. 'We believe the orders are without merit, a waste of German taxpayers' money and we will fight it vigorously,' a Facebook spokeswoman said in an emailed statement."

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  1. Re:typical by nbauman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Germans have a very different attitude towards corporate power and influence. It seems almost quaint.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/23/world/europe/berlin-tour-raises-awareness-on-lobbying.html
    Berlin Journal
    And on Your Left, Behind Those Walls, Lobbyists Are at Work
    By NICHOLAS KULISH
    November 22, 2012
    (Timo Lange, campaigner LobbyControl, gives tours to sites of lobbyists. German Brewers Association, cigarette lobby. German Chemical Industry Association. Germans suspicous of propaganda and paid advertising. Money in campaigns is seen not as free speech but as buying access. Merkel lives a modest life.)
    “The problem is the linkage between economic power and political power,” said Daniela Haug.
    “We are very thin-skinned when it comes to any form of propaganda,” Claas Lorenz, 25, a student on the tour, said in a succinct reference to Germany’s Nazi history. “We had very bad experiences with it in our past.”
    Andrea Römmele, a professor at the Hertie School of Governance in Berlin, said: “Money in campaigns in the United States is freedom of speech; it’s seen as a way of expressing oneself. In Germany, giving money in politics is always seen as trying to buy access.”
    German attitudes toward politics and money help explain the enduring appeal of Ms. Merkel, who still lives in the apartment she got before she became chancellor, and who hikes on vacation. “Merkel is so beloved for her sober, unglamorous style of governing,” said Frank Decker, a professor of political science at the University of Bonn. “With her, you would never imagine that she might use politics to become rich.”
    The Christian Democrats

  2. German Telemedia Act translation by rgbrenner · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.cgerli.org/fileadmin/user_upload/interne_Dokumente/Legislation/Telemedia_Act__TMA_.pdf

    The important section is 13.6:

    The service provider must enable the use of telemedia and payment for them to occur
    anonymously or via a pseudonym where this is technically possible and reasonable. The
    recipient of the service is to be informed about this possibility.

    (emphasis mine)

    Since it's obviously technically possible, Facebook will have to argue that it's unreasonable.

  3. Re:typical by YttriumOxide · · Score: 4, Informative

    But wait, they don't have freedom of speech or the right to bear arms in Germany so how can this be?

    Article 5 of the German Basic Law (Grundgesetz) would disagree with you on freedom of speech (specifically: freedom of expression). It states:

    (1) Every person shall have the right freely to express and disseminate his opinions in speech, writing, and pictures and to inform himself without hindrance from generally accessible sources. Freedom of the press and freedom of reporting by means of broadcasts and films shall be guaranteed. There shall be no censorship.
    (2) These rights shall find their limits in the provisions of general laws, in provisions for the protection of young persons, and in the right to personal honor.
    (3) Art and scholarship, research, and teaching shall be free. The freedom of teaching shall not release any person from allegiance to the constitution.

    There are of course limits to this as indicated by the second statement; but I've yet to see a country where this is not the case. Even in the much flaunted "free" USA, Wikipedia informs me:

    In the United States freedom of expression is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. There are several common law exceptions including obscenity, defamation, incitement, incitement to riot or imminent lawless action, fighting words, fraud, speech covered by government granted monopoly (copyright), and speech integral to criminal conduct. There are federal criminal law statutory prohibitions covering all the common law exceptions other than defamation, of which there is civil law liability, as well as making false statements (lying) in "matters within the jurisdiction" of the federal government, speech related to information decreed to be related to national security such as military and classified information, false advertising, perjury, privileged communications, trade secrets, copyright, and patents. Most states and localities have many identical restrictions, as well as harassment, and time, place and manner restrictions.

    Overall, it seems similar.

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  4. Re:typical by nosferatu1001 · · Score: 3, Informative

    That German subsidiary company that handles their advertising must not exist then. Or youre fucking clueless.

  5. Re:typical by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Informative

    More, in most civilised jurisdictions, you or anyone else can use a "nickname" perfectly legally for most purposes, as long as the intent isn't to defraud. The scale runs all the way from "McName -> MacName" through "Elizabeth -> Liz" to "Raymond Luxury-Yacht -> Throatwobbler Mangrove".

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  6. Re:typical by sjames · · Score: 4, Informative

    The actual friends I might want to connect with would know the alias is me. Potential employers, advertisers, and other stalkers wound not. Sounds good!

  7. Re:typical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    In Sweden 7-year olds can get Visa/MasterCard debit cards. They usually work just as well as credit cards for identification and they are tied to a bank account.

  8. Re:typical by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm curious (really) if German ecommerce sites have to accept nicknames along with credit card numbers

    User rgbrenner covered this further down in the thread:
    "
    http://www.cgerli.org/fileadmin/user_upload/interne_Dokumente/Legislation/Telemedia_Act__TMA_.pdf

    The important section is 13.6:

    The service provider must enable the use of telemedia and payment for them to occur anonymously or via a pseudonym where this is technically possible and reasonable. The recipient of the service is to be informed about this possibility.

    "

    Mods: Reward the original post, not me. rgbrenner did the research.

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  9. Re:Quite simple really by greg1104 · · Score: 4, Informative

    That the US government is spying on social networks is fact shown multiple places. And only the EFF seems to be doing anything to slow it.