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3D Printer Round-Up: Cube 3D, Up! Mini, and Solidoodle

MojoKid writes "3D printing is a fascinating new technology and an exploding new market. The process involved is pretty basic actually. Heat up some plastic, and sort of like that Play-Doh Fun Factory you were so fond of as a kid, you extrude the melted plastic out to create objects. It all started back in 2007 when the first RepRap machine was built. The idea behind RepRap was to design a machine that could build complex parts in three dimensions using extruded molten plastic and that machine could also "self-replicate" or build a copy of itself. Since then, 3D printers of all types have emerged from the community and this round-up of machines covers a few of the more prominent names in 3D printing systems. The Cube 3D, the Up! Mini and the Solidoodle 2 can all get you into 3D printing at retail consumer price points with precision down to 100 microns. The technology has very much come of age and it's going to be interesting to see where these machines can take us."

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  1. Keep in mind that 3D Systems is a patent troll by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Whether or not they have a legitimate beef against FormLabs, the act of dragging Kickstarter into their little patent war was absolutely inexcusable. This is a company that sees itself as threatened not only by competition, but by the existence of the marketplace itself.

    If you are considering purchasing a 3D printer you could do well to pick a company that won't use your money to suppress competition through enforcement of bullshit patents on abstract ideas like photolithography. Or one whose business model is so insecure that it relies on barratry against unrelated parties.

    1. Re:Keep in mind that 3D Systems is a patent troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Whether or not they have a legitimate beef against FormLabs, the act of dragging Kickstarter into their little patent war was absolutely inexcusable. This is a company that sees itself as threatened not only by competition, but by the existence of the marketplace itself.

      If you are considering purchasing a 3D printer you could do well to pick a company that won't use your money to suppress competition through enforcement of bullshit patents on abstract ideas like photolithography. Or one whose business model is so insecure that it relies on barratry against unrelated parties.

      FormLabs has a clearly valid patent. This is the patent system doing exactly what it is supposed to do, protecting an innovation for a period of ~20 years. Just because somebody wanted to make a cheap knockoff of their product, and FormLabs sued both the people who were selling that, and the people enabling that, doesn't make them a patent "troll."

  2. Nice, but incremental by Guano_Jim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I own a MakerBot Replicator 1, and haven't used any of the models published in the article. These printers look promising and have attractive price points, but here are my two big complaints about home 3D printing that none of them address yet, AFAIK.

    1. printing with ABS plastic literally stinks. If your printer's in the garage or shop it's probably not so bad, but woe to the user that keeps one of these printers in a home office. Good ventilation is a must, but breezes and drafts can significantly mess with your print quality. I prefer to print with PLA (corn-based) plastic, because it smells like Mrs. Butterworth's imitation maple syrup. Makerbot's already doing this with its Replicator 2-- as I understand it they've given up on ABS for their first version and only print with PLA.

    2. Overhangs. I doubt any of these printers can yet print an overhang that's more than 2mm without post-processing support. Gravity tends to pull overhangs down during the printing process, meaning the object's designer has to take the orientation of the printed object into account when designing it. As amazing as home 3D printing is, this is a pretty severe limitation once one gets past printing cubes and scans of heads.

    The first company to produce a 3D printer that can handle big overhangs has my upgrade cash.

    1. Re:Nice, but incremental by GrpA · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Mini doesn't really smell bad at all. I had it running in a small space, without much ventilation, sitting next to me for 3 hours and didn't notice the smell at all. My sense of smell isn't very good, but it is particularly acute when dealing with burning plastic smells ( honed from a lifetime working with electronics )

      I think the smell may be more to do with the plastic you're using and the temperature it's melting at.

      As for big overhangs? How about a sintering 3D printer? They seem to handle it just fine. I'd probably use such services after I've checked my models on the desktop though.

      GrpA

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    2. Re:Nice, but incremental by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 2

      To do the kinds of things a 3D printer can do you'd likely want a CNC mill and those things are way pricier than a 3D printer. Even a mini mill with the necessary accessories is more expensive than a printer.

      Milling is not like printing in that it is subtractive, not additive, and thereby more wasteful. Don't get me wrong. I love milling stuff, but there is clearly a place for both tools in the shop. Figuratively speaking of course. I'm trying to figure out where to put a 3D printer.

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    3. Re:Nice, but incremental by sgrover · · Score: 2

      So close yet so far. Your two complaints would seem to be a reflection of your own limited experiences. A properly tuned Replicator 1 prints ABS with little or no smell. Or just slapping on side panels and a hood does wonders to minimize that particular effect (not to mention it keeps the chamber air more stable and minimizes peeling). As for overhangs, I've seen up to 2cm with only a little issue, 1cm is about as smooth as you'd get with 2mm - depending on the model and tuning.

      PLA is starch based, not corn based. In the US it just happens that corn is a cheap/easy source for starch. In New Zealand they use goats milk. So in a sense you are only partially correct about the corn. MBI has not abandoned ABS - the Rep2 removed the elements of the Rep1 that was most troublesome - i.e. a heated platform that has had electrical issues and levelling it properly (for both extruders at once) has proven to be a stumbling block for more novice users, getting rid of the second extruder also removes a bunch of headaches - some again related to levelling. Moving to PLA means they could get rid of the troublesome platform and operate at lower temperatures. But the Rep2X has already been announced which restores the heated platform and second extruder. ABS is not going away anytime soon.

    4. Re:Nice, but incremental by GrpA · · Score: 2

      I know the chinese mills exist, because I also have a small Chinese CNC Milling machine though the printer is a lot more convenient for some parts - I guess it depends on what I'm making. Printing in plastic can be handy because it highlights issues early and has very low cost. Also, it's lighter than aluminium and if the strength isn't an issue, it's fine.

      Under a thousand? Yes, about that. The 6040 and 6020 CNC machines are more designed for smaller parts though... They are not really intended for chewing through thick pieces of aluminium. They will do it, but I expect it would take a while and might need a little cooling.

      Just do a search on google for 6040 CNC machine

      GrpA

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  3. Applied 3D Printing by djl4570 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Watch a few episodes of Jay Leno's garage where they use a 3D printer to make parts and molds for vintage vehicle restorations.
    This video of a sand printer is the most interesting application of 3D printing technology I've seen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8MaVaqNr3U

  4. My thoughts, YMMV by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been building my Prusa Mendel for several months now (work's been crazy, I should be able to finish it over winter break).

    I think if I had it to do again I'd get a Makerbot, the RepRap open source models promise a lot but there are a lot of pitfalls: available instructions, software and parts on eBay all seem to be at different versions at all times!

    To me it would have been worth the extra $500 to just get a box that had everything, that was guaranteed to all fit together, not look strange or different from the instructions, and have support, but to each his own. I'm definitely learning a lot -- having the wrong revision of something physical is a big deal compared to having the wrong commit of ImageMagick :) It's something OSS fab folk will have to deal with going forward.

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    1. Re:My thoughts, YMMV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This! You wouldn't believe how much trouble it's been to build a laser-cut TechZone Remix Mendel. None of the electronics will mount properly, some pieces don't fit, and I had to find a sealant that'd work at 500F and not screw up the thrermocouple by shorting it out. Permatex may be the winner - I'll find out when it's finished.

      My printer did not have instructions sent with it. Consider yourself lucky. I've had to follow half a dozen websites to figure out how it goes together and how other people have screwed up. The first guy I followed nearly set his extruder on fire, so assembly went on a 10-month hiatus.

      What I wouldn't give for a single-board implementation like this one for the electronics. Instead, I get this cluster and have to get someone to grind a piece of wood into shape. That mounting board design plus zip ties were a godsend.

      I would have paid $500 extra if it came pre-assembled, not just in kit form. I don't even know if mine will work yet.

    2. Re:My thoughts, YMMV by Mark+of+the+North · · Score: 2

      I received a Mendel90 kit from Nop Head about three weeks ago. (Nop Head has been prolific in the Rep Rap community.) The instructions were very clear and the whole kit went together over the course of about three work-days (mostly done while watching Netflix). The few minor issues I ran into were due to my mis-reading the instructions, or not reading them at all. The kit was lacking on some heat-shrink tubing, but that's the only real criticism I have. Even for someone who hasn't picked up a soldering iron in 15 years, the build procedure was straight-forward.

      The Mendel90 design is, IMHO, much better than the Mendel or even the MendelMax. The frame self-aligns to the point that there is no need to square anything up. The ribbon cables are brilliant. Of the Rep Rap variants out there, it's probably the best of the bunch at this moment. Not perfect, but very usable and straight-forward to put together.

      As I write this, I'm printing up some parts for my son's worm-bin project out of glow-in-the-dark PLA. (No reason for the glow-in-the-dark other than it was in the printer.) Its been a blast to go from a sketch on paper to a finished part in a couple of hours, if that.

      Another year of development on the slicing software, printer firmware/electronics, and the elimination of bridging/over-hang issues by dual-extruders and water-soluble support material will make 3D printing accessible to the masses. It's going to be fun to watch...and participate in.

  5. Re: kickstarter sucks too by skitchen8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bit extreme, no? I've used Craigslist and eBay both as a buyer and seller and never once have I had a single problem. Sure fraud happens there, but fraud happens everywhere, it is not unique to either platform. All that is required is user intelligence, and kickstarter is not much different except for instead of buying a product that maybe someone will never send you you are buying a product that maybe will never exist. Besides that: Kickstarter, though it has its problems, has also had its deal of successes where people that don't have the ability to make things but have the money to buy them are paired up with people that have the ability to make things but not the money to sell them. The only people that could be mad at Kickstarter are people too dumb to read and understand what they are getting from investing in a campaign (read: good feelings for trying to help out what they perceive as a good idea). If you're backing a campaign because you want to buy a finished product you're doing it wrong.

  6. Re:Leibniz vs Newton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your claim, that it is not possible for two similar non-obvious solutions to be arrived at independently is itself open to ridicule.

    Sure, it's possible. That's not the question. Should it result in the issuance of a 20-year government-sanctioned monopoly?

    Only a sociopath would say as much.

  7. RepRap can't replicate itself by iggymanz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    RepRap only makes plastic parts, not quite two-thirds of itself. Compare that with a serious milling machine (and note not even a CNC one), which can and has made over 95% of itself since the 1940s.....

    It's a toy for making cute plastic parts.....

    1. Re:RepRap can't replicate itself by Scytheford · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah OK, I'll bite.

      A) Skill
      Nearly anyone can operate a 3D printer quietly, cleanly, inexpensively and safely. Comparing a lathe or mill to a 3D printer is akin to rubbishing a Ford Focus because it's not an F-15. Someone having read a wiki can download an STL from thingiverse, click print and enjoy the results. Getting good at machining takes years of dedication.

      B) Cost
      A reprap can be built for under $800 and a little elbow grease. The cheapest vertical mill is about USD$4k, not including shipping, installation, and replacing the shitty bits. Running costs for a reprap are far lower also, both in terms of power consumption, tooling and stock.

      C) Part strength
      Obviously this is where Fused Deposition Method (FDM) printing can't keep up to a part machined from steel or aluminium, but that's not the point. There are a great many things around the average house or workshop for which a 3D-printed part would be perfectly suitable. Examples:

      Buckle clip:
      http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1272
      Wifi-driven tank (Disclaimer: mine):
      http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:13496
      Goddamned quadcopter (also mine):
      http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:26041
      Angle brackets:
      http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:34422
      Storage bins:
      http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:38194
      Tape dispenser:
      http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:34816

      In summary: Nobody is going to install a mill in their home office. 3D printed parts are suitable for many actually useful applications, not just trivial frippery.

    2. Re:RepRap can't replicate itself by khakipuce · · Score: 2

      Actually I've wanted a 3d printer for a while, I've also wanted a Milling machine for longer. Having nearly gone off and bought the bits for a 3D printer I stopped and thought about it.

      A milling machine with bigger overall capacity than most home-built 3D printers (i.e. about a cubic foot) can be had new for under £1000 which (all-in) is not much more than a large, rigid 3D printer kit would be. Add in a CNC set up (about another £300) and make an extruder (we now have a milling machine so making an accurate extruder should not be to difficult) and you have a milling machine and a 3D printer, for significantly less than the cost of both, and a much more capable set up.

      So my current plan is to save up a bit more money and buy a milling mahine and then mod it to be a 3D printer.

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  8. Re:The Solidoodle's cartridge bothers me by compro01 · · Score: 4, Informative

    What? The Solidoodle uses a plain spool. It's the 3D Systems unit that uses a cartridge.

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  9. Ultimaker. Period. by Turbio · · Score: 2

    Let's see... a layer size of 40 microns, maximum speed of 250 mm/s, build volume of 21x21x21 cm for only 1200 euros the DYI kit (or EUR 1700 pre-built). It beats everyone else in every department. Period.
    Ok, it is still missing a second extruder or hotbed, and printing is still an art that takes skill and patience, as with any of the 3D printers in this price range.
    Disclaimer: I own an Ultimaker, oh yeah.

    1. Re:Ultimaker. Period. by daid303 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He bought it as DIY kit, we've been only selling the pre-assembleds for a few weeks. And only a few have shipped so far. We are open source. AGPL with the software, GPL with the electronics, and CC BY-NC with the mechanical drawings.

      There is no offical heated bed yet, but people have build their own, as the electronics are prepared for it. Same for dual extrusion.

      Disclaimer: I now work for Ultimaker. After developing FOSS software for the Ultimaker they hired me as full-time developer so I could spend more time on making the software even better.

  10. Beware the Wolf in Sheep's clothing! by Dr+Black+Adder · · Score: 2

    If you're looking at getting into 3D printing, take heed that 3D Systems (maker of theCube 3D)are currently suing Formlabs (Kickstarter company pushing insane 3D technologies to consumer prices) over a seemingly ungrounded patent infringement. Read up either here: http://www.wired.com/design/2012/11/3d-systems-formlabs-lawsuit/ or google up a storm! I'm always careful to make sure I'm backing the innovators, not the litigators!

  11. Re:3D printing was interesting last year. by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

    It sounds like you are only aware of the hobby-level printers.

    FDM printers are a dead end.

    Be aware that they have been around for over a decade. They are very common in engineering companies, ever since they replaced the UV hardened resin printers that came before them. The resins look pretty, but they are brittle and photo-degrade. They still have their place though.

    ...the overhang issue and the fluid dynamics problems limit this specific technology to "bleeding edge

    The overhang issue was solved long ago by using soluble support-material. The hobby-level printers just don't include support for it.