Slashdot Mirror


Samsung Reaches Milestone For 14nm Technology

An anonymous reader writes "Samsung announced a milestone on its development of 14nm manufacturing semiconductors, claiming that it offers major advantages to system-on-chip devices using in consumer electronic products (especially lower power). They recently taped out a Cortex-A7 processor with this technology, calling it a significant milestone for the fabless ecosystem."

18 of 123 comments (clear)

  1. fabless ecosystem? by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 2

    What is fabless ecosystem?

    --
    #
    #\ @ ? Colonize Mars
    #
    1. Re:fabless ecosystem? by sharkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Something Austin Powers wouldn't go near or attempt to save, I expect.

      --

      --
      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
    2. Re:fabless ecosystem? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's like being homeless, only in the IC industry.

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
    3. Re:fabless ecosystem? by mikael · · Score: 5, Informative

      With mobile devices, the CPU as well as many other logic components (GPU, accelerometers, compass, GPS, video decompression) are provided as licensed silicon designs. These designs are combined together by a separate vendor to form a complete system, thus System-On-A-Chip. These companies don't make boards, connectors, chips, or even silicon dies, they just license designs and device drivers. MEMS alone allows sensors like accelerometers, compasses to be implemented using standard silicon manufacturing processes with no additional hardware required. Other companies may provide profiling and debugging tools. So a complete ecosystem forms.

      With Samsung being able to get down to 14nm, that means every company benefits. There is now space for more transistors, so everyone can add more features, more cache memory, more cores.

      Just like Linux. One group does kernel work, another group does compilers and debuggers, someone else does GUI, X-windows, and others maintain web browsers, device drivers and command line applications. These are all combined to form a Linux distribution ISO file.

      --
      Vintage computer adverts: http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/computers-and-software-ads
    4. Re:fabless ecosystem? by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With Samsung being able to get down to 14nm, that means every company benefits.

      You put too much polish on the apple.

      Fabless means you are someone else's Bitch. You have to buy from someone else because you don't have a fabrication facility to make your own processors.

        Like Apple, currently shopping around for another chip manufacturer after Samsung raised prices, (to earn back billion dollar fine which will most likely be overturned on appeal). Even if Apple finds another fab to make their processors and related chips, they will still be a generation behind Samsung.

      With the power savings available at 14nm, Samsung will be able to ask premium prices. All the smaller manufactures will end up buying from Samsung.

      --
      Sig Battery depleted. Reverting to safe mode.
  2. prior art! by gandhi_2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apple should sue them for "method and apparatus" to make something smaller.

  3. Re:Better than Intel by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

    These are ARM based chips and they are completely dominating, if Intel had 30 years of advanced technology they wouldn't be so far behind on the low powered chip side of things.

  4. Re:Better than Intel by Guspaz · · Score: 2

    Umm, no. They had a hell of a time moving to 22nm and getting volume production up, pretty much your entire post is just paranoid delusion.

    Intel just has more money to throw at the problems, and they've managed to get a lead of a few years on the other companies. They only maintain that lead because they keep pushing forward.

    The problem is that makes it harder for everybody else to compete, but that's not really Intel's fault.

  5. Re:Better than Intel by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

    Mod post ignorant. If that were true, AMD wouldnt have been so far superior to Intel back in the P4 / Pentium D days.

    Fact is it takes about 3-5 years for this tech to be fully realized, and Intel is currently (AFAIK) the only one with solid 22nm production simply because their R&D budget is huge. If you find that scary or whatever you can send your dollars to AMD to help them get up to speed.

  6. Re:Translation please by CrankyFool · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Tape out" is a term of art of the processor industry. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape-out where the first sentence will tell you "In electronics design, tape-out or tapeout is the final result of the design cycle for integrated circuits or printed circuit boards, the point at which the artwork for the photomask of a circuit is sent for manufacture."

    "Fabless ecosystem" is another term of art of the processor industry. Wikipedia is similarly helpful here at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabless_manufacturing -- where the first sentence will read "Fabless manufacturing is the design and sale of hardware devices and semiconductor chips while outsourcing the fabrication or "fab" of the devices to a specialized manufacturer called a semiconductor foundry."

    STFW FTW.

  7. Re:Translation please by vlm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Tape out" is in my dad's generation they used the same tech for photolithography for both PCBs and ICs. In other words a "Draftsman" (which is kind of like a CAD operator, but manual, done by hand) using what looks like black electrical tape stripes on clear mylar sheets. Then a projector blasts UV light thru the marked up sheet onto a photosensitive copper circuit board, or silicon slice, and where the UV hits the plastic polymerizes and is "permanent" and where it doesn't, it washes away. Sorta like a photo negative enlarger but more of a shrinker than an enlarger... which is another mostly dead technology. You'll meet people who rewrite history for laughs who claim the "tape" is magnetic tape of cad drafting or maybe Verilog/VHDL. In the "biz" it means the dev team has ended work and the responsibility is now entirely on the production team (assuming it achieves production level success on the first try, without any design issues ruining yield, LOL)

    "Fabless ecosystem" is fru fru talk for you outsource your manufacturing to a company (usually a competitor) you trust to give you reliable access to their best processes, while trusting them not to "pirate" your IP which is your companies only resource. Its a great idea for weird stuff where you can corner the market or R+D or teaching. Strikes me as an idiotic business model for competitive "mainstream" processors or generic commodity chips.

    --
    "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
  8. Continuous disclosure by brindafella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One could think that this announcement of 14nm development is Samsung one-upping their competition.

    Another interpretation is that companies need to exercise "continuous disclosure" in order to be taken seriously in the share markets and not fall foul of the market regulators which insist that companies reveal important information as soon as is practicable so that investors and possible investors get a true picture of the company's market worth. In most cases, a good-news story is a great way to have the market clamouring to invest, and so assists the company to raise the capital needed to get its developments to market.

    It also does not hurt to rub the nose of the opposition.

    --
    Looking at space, radio, science and computing from a 'down-under' amateur enthusiast perspective.
  9. Re:Translation please by SeaFox · · Score: 2

    They recently taped out a Cortex-A7 processor with this technology, calling it a significant milestone for the fabless ecosystem."

    I'm very good at the English language but I have no idea what this means. How do you 'tape out' a processor? What's a 'fabless ecosystem'? (The rainforests are rather wonderful, I hear.)

    "Taping out" is the process of laying out the actual lines that will become the paths of the circuit. This used to be done with actual tape and photographed and reduced in size. Somehow I doubt they actually used that method with this and more likely the work was all done on a computer.

    I can only assume a "fabless ecosystem" is a fancy way of saying "the industry of making something when you don't make anything" or chip design/IP creation.

  10. Re:Better than Intel by Osgeld · · Score: 5, Informative

    you know AMD is only 10 months younger than intel right? or that Acron computers, where the ARM guys came from has been developing their cpu since the 1980's?

    cause you make it sound like they just popped up out of nowhere yesterday, or maybe that's just your uninformed tinfoil hat conspiracy that intel, 2pac and sea lab are really ruling the world.

  11. Wouldn't it also infringe by Andy+Prough · · Score: 2, Funny

    on Apple's patents on "making something", "thinking about making something", and "dropping acid to free your mind to think about making something"?

  12. Re:Agreed! by Typing+Monkey · · Score: 2

    Trademarks can be lost or weakened by not taking action, this does not apply to patents.
    I will agree that there are a lot of clueless people around tho.

  13. Can't wait for 14nm flash by EmagGeek · · Score: 2

    Then our SSDs will survive a whole SEVEN program/erase cycles.

  14. Re:Samsung at 14 nm, Intel at 22 nm by ericloewe · · Score: 2

    Pretty big difference:

    Intel is selling millions of processors made with a 22nm process right now.

    Samsung just finished designing a processor that will enter prototyping soon/is being tested. Their process may have horrible yields, be too costly or have any number of problems. This "milestone" is akin to having the tech drawings of a car ready - it's hype until we see results.

    Last I checked, most Samsung silicon was at 28nm, I think, with NAND flash at 23/22nm.