In Japan, PlayStation 2 Ends a 12-Year Run

The PlayStation 3 may have overshadowed it technically, but the PlayStation 2 has seniority. Now, the PS2 is being retired in Japan after nearly 13 years. That doesn't mean the games have stopped: "To this day, developers have continued to release games on the platform due to its enduring popularity, with the last title in Japan, Final Fantasy XI: Seekers of Adoulin, due out in March this year."

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Take The Fanboy Goggle Off

[dma_packet]

"In a technical sense, if a game can run on the 360, it can be made to run on the PS3 and vice-versa."

It is funny on a site that claims to be a hangout for people with at least a minimum of technical knowledge. Or at least working visual systems...

There never has been another console that has so absolutely crushed its competition like the PS3 has done with the Xbox 360 this gen.

In the past there were either consoles that were too far apart in time for them to be considered technical competitors or consoles that were strong in some graphical areas but were beat in others like the Genesis/SNES days.

The PS3 is the first console ever to have such a graphical dominance over its competition that there isn't a single are the PS3 doesn't crush the Xbox 360 in:

* Resolution
* Poly counts
* Lighting
* Materials
* Animation
* Physics
* Particle/Effects

There isn't a single graphical area where the Xbox 360 has been able to put out games that match the PS3 in even a single graphical area this gen. And Microsoft has had six years and an virtually unlimited budget to do so.

Games like GT5 are running at 50 percent more resolution than the 360's Forza while pushing a huge amount more polys per frame and running a lighting model far beyond.

Games like Killzone 2 are running engines that aren't even possible to run on the 360 due to the gimped 10 megs EDRAM the 360 is saddled with.

Or games like Metal Gear Solid 4 that are so large they could never ever run on the 360's smaller than last gen 6.7gig DVD format.

Or games like Uncharted that have materials that make the 360's 'graphical showcase' Gears of War look like a PS2/Xbox era title:

http://kineticninja.blogspot.com/2009_01_01_archive.html

The Xbox 360 has been so badly beaten in graphics this gen that it is the only console in history to have to resort to trying to brag about minuscule differences in crappy mulitplatform titles because its own first party exclusives are so graphically unimpressive.

So, yeah, I'm sure shitty little Call of Doody looks slightly better on your 480i TV on your 360 than on your PS3.

But outside of delusional fanboy lalaland Microsoft has had 6 years to come up with a single game that could match Sony's PS3 exclusives this gen and failed to do so.

Re:Take The Fanboy Goggle Off

[dma_packet]

"P.S., 360 still has a larger install base than the PS3. Not by a significant margin, mind you, but it's still ahead."

LOL. Let me guess...you just checked vgchartz.com to 'make sure'...

vgchartz.com - the site run by a 20 something year old Xbox fanboy who use to post fake sales numbers on the neogaf forums in a desperate attempt to make the Xbox 360 sales look larger than they really were. Who got banned for doing so and ran off and created his pathetic little fake sales website where he could make up inflated Xbox 360 sales numbers without anyone banning him.

What is so hilariously sad about vgchartz.com is the little Xbox fanboy, ioi, is so dumb that he in his desperation to inflate Xbox 360 sales that he regularly posts Xbox 360 sales numbers that are larger than the known Xbox shipment numbers. But hey! who cares that his numbers are hilariously fake and just made by him typing into his computer from his mom's house, right?

Even more pathetic for Microsoft is that even with rushing their under-powered and defective hardware out the door a year early, tens of millions in duplicate consoles sold due to the RRoD fiasco and other hardware problems, being 100-200 dollars cheaper than the PS3, they even further in their desperation to try to inflate their Xbox 360 sales numbers by being the only console maker who tries to pass off 'shipped to retailer' numbers as actual 'sold to customer' numbers.

Both Nintendo and Sony switched to reporting only actual sales to customers back in 2006 while Microsoft has refused to do so because it allows them to inflate their installed base numbers by some 2-3 million from all the unsold consoles sitting in retail warehouse and store shelves.

http://spong.com/article/19131/SCEE-Clarifies-PS3-Install-Base-Maths

Absolutely hilarious that all that and Microsoft still ends up in last place this gen.

But what do you expect? This is the same Microsoft who:

* Tried to claim their dead Surface tablet was 'sold out everywhere'!

* That their dead Windows Phones were the 'top selling' phone - when it was actually just one retailer for one brief bit of time that their top ten list showed the Windows Phone at the top.

If Microsoft lost this badly this gen, it is going to be even worse next gen when they no longer have the only first party developers Xbox fanboys cared about Bungie anymore and Microsoft trying to mimic Nintendo with the shitty Eye Toy ripoff called Kinect. One has to wonder if Microsoft is going to intentionally botch their hardware next gen so help pad their installed base like they unintentionally did this gen.

Re:Take The Fanboy Goggle Off

[dma_packet]

And there we have it.

You're basically just an petulant and dumb little kid.

What a perfect example of some of the latest political science studies that shows that people who have locked themselves into some belief actually cling harder to their misconceptions when faced with actual evidence.

The really inexplicable things is how the hell people like you ever were so dumb in the first place to believe the Xbox 360 was ever going to be able to compete graphically with the PS3.

The Xbox 360 was rushed out the door and obviously just thrown together in a rush to try to get the console out the door to pad out the installed base before the PS3 and Wii shipped.

The Xbox 360 was gimped with a last gen DVD drive that had usable storage that was about 1.5 gigs smaller than the PS2 and Xbox had to use. Compared to the PS3 with its 25/50 gig Blu-Ray drive.

The PS3 had an obvious massive floating point power advantage over the much weaker Xbox 360 which should have been obvious that things like physics, lighting, animation would be significantly more advanced on the PS3.

The gimped 10 megs of EDRAM in the 360 should have made it obvious to even a non-programmer that the 360 was going to be a nightmare for developers. And that games with engines like the amazing Killzone 2/3 differed shading engine that requires large render buffers would never be possible on the 360.

Or that the significantly higher pixel pushing power of the RSX in the PS3 was going to mean the PS3 would be running games at a higher resolution than the 360's weaker graphics hardware could handle.

At some point even someone with a peebrain like yours must have finally had the dim little lightbuld above their head go off and stopped trying to pretend the 360 was ever going to put out PS3 level graphics.

Instead here you are six years later still clinging to that bullshit that is filling your head and posting links to a handful so graphically mediocre titles more than half of which are nothing more than PC developer console ports.

Until the day that you can post screenshots or footage from a retail 360 game running with graphics that can match this gens top graphical console games:

* Killzone 2/3
* Uncharted 1/2/3
* Gran Turismo 5
* God of War 3

Since you can't. And since you won't ever be able to, Sit down and shut the fuck up.

Re:Take The Fanboy Goggle Off

[Argerich]

"Console developer here"

No you're not. And you're doing a really poor job trying to pretend to be one.

Your problem is went to far with your hyperbole to the point even someone who might fall for your stream of cut and pasted techno babble would know that regardless what you are saying that whatever it is it is obviously not true since PS3 games are running at higher resolutions, much larger amounts of geometry, much more detailed materials, much more advanced lighting models, and on and on.

What is funny about your attempt at pretending to be a 'console developer' is it is exactly the same silly attempt that guys like you have been making going all the way back to the Dreamcast days. PC programmers(or guys who listen to PC programmers) who don't have a clue how anything other than the archaic desktop PC architecture works and how game engines are written for it. They are frightened and completely lost by anything that isn't that sort of architecture - hence the lashing out at modern architectures like the PS2, PS3, etc.

It is fun to go back and read guys like posting the solemn and desperately hoping to be authoritative pronouncements about console hardware graphics capabilities.

Don't you guys ever get tired of being wrong?