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Bletchley Park Codebreaker Honored
Rambo Tribble writes "England has awarded Raymond Roberts, one of the nine cryptanalysts responsible for breaking the Nazi Tunny code machine, (also known by the German designation Lorenz cipher machine) the MBE. Roberts is the last surviving member of the team which cracked the German army's cipher machine functionality, much like others at Bletchley broke the better-known Enigma machine."
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Anyone with an interest in history, technology, mathematics, and honoring under-recognized individuals who made a crucial contribution to society. Clearly not you.
Seriously, given that the UK probably would not exist today if not for this man's work, an MBE is too little too late.
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While probably somewhat known among Slashdotters, I think it is worthwhile to remind people of Alan Turing, mathematician, logician, WWII code breaker and father of computer science (as well as being a victim of cruel injustice by the state).
He's unfortunately by far less recognized than people like Steve Jobs (probably because turing machines don't have rounded corners by design). It's a bit like the story of Tesla vs. Edison. One was a genius scientist, the other one an asshat making lots of money, without contributing nearly as much to the field, but still being more famous and celebrated.
Whew! They achieved the same as the Beatles.
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Nymphos?
People who's lives were saved because of this, dickface.
What, is it not moe or call of duty enough for you? Go back to high school, chump.
As a nazi german, I am very offended!
Seriously, he's one of many mathemathicians working on one of many German ciphers during the war. To say that UK would lose if not for him isn't even a stretch, it's plain bullshit.
And i'm not trying to downplay this man's contribution. Perhaps he deserves a knighthood for what it was. But it wasn't even close to solely influence the outcome of war.
Code: The Eagle Has Landed
Cipher: HEUW MJDS SYNA KIHH NDPV
Tunny was broken because of a test message that had to be resent, and was re-encoded with the same key. The cryptographer was bored, and he made some abbreviations in the second encoding (which was manually typed). That put them out of phase, which meant that the message could be broken in crab-fashion. (Guess a word in the cipher text. If you are correct that gives you a little of the key and thus the decryption of the same block of characters in the other text. That, if you are lucky, will reveal another word, which gives more characters in the second text, which yields more in the first, making the entire decrypt fairly straightforward once you get going.) Breaking that message was enough to reveal how the machine worked, it was reverse engineered, and in operational use it was broken by computer basically from the start.
All of this because one operator got sloppy on one test message that wasn't even intrinsically important anyway. But, i think it is fair to say that more crypto is broken by sloppiness than by advanced math (not that the math might not be useful in exploiting the break).
Using my google de-encryption method, the MBE Acronym appears to stand for the "Multi State Bar Exam" - a degree for Yankee lawyers practicing across state lines. Why on earth did they give that to this poor gentleman?
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I remember a talk about Bletchley Park where I asked whether the germans had any codebreaking work. I still have not heard nor seen a word of it anywhere at all. Maybe the keyword "private" in C++/Java should be in German?
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Tomorrow is another day...
I have had the great pleasure of corresponding with Captain Roberts over the past couple of years. Not only did he and his team make an extraordinary contribution to winning WWW II, he has worked tirelessly since the declassification of the Tunny work to get recognition for the many others who contributed heroically and anonymously. It's quite amazing to talk with someone who had the experience of decrypting Adolph Hitler's personal communications, hours after they were sent. Note that most of the work done by Capt. Roberts and his team was done by hand. Colossus eventually helped with some steps, but not at first, and even then many steps remained to be done manually. At 92 Capt. Roberts remains very engaged and passionate about the work done at Bletchley. If there's a concern, it's that he should have been recognized for his work then, as well as for his recent publicity efforts, and one can make the case that MBE doesn't nearly recognize the magnitude of his contribution. Congratulations, Jerry!
Less well known among Slashdotters, in fact among anyone who isn't a serious historian, is the enormous amount of work that wasn't cryptography. There's Huff-Duff. There's the enormous amount of what would be called data-mining today - the cataloging and indexing of all that data so it could be correlated and compared. There's all of the operational research based on that correlation and those comparisons. There's tons of weapons and tactical development based on that research...
The cryptographers were only the tip of a very, very big iceberg. And sometimes... I think they get an unfair share of the credit. Without all those others turning cryptographic intelligence into something the guys on the pointy end could use... there wouldn't have been any point. Abstract data decrypted days or weeks later is cool, but it's ordinance on target that wins wars.
A minor slip, not WWW II but WW II.
I took cyrptography in university. Busting codes is a sonofabitch. The reason that the NSA and others utilize rubber hose cryptography is because busting codes is a sonofabitch. What is rubber hose cryptography? An example can be found here. Reasons for R.H.C.? Well there are several. One is that if there is plausible deniability (they beat the information out of you), then the 'other side' will continue to use the same cryptographic system, meaning you don't have to do any new work. Another reason is that there is national pride at stake. We want to know, and you will tell us. Another reason is that sometimes the people who take these jobs are ...um... sadists. They get off beating the shit out of someone for any reason at all. Cracking codes is like doing a hard math proof. It might take dozens to hundreds of kicks at the cat, and you don't really know if you are going in the right direction until you get to the end. Its a crapload of work on the way. The work these cryptographers saved tens of thousands of lives, and shortened the war by 2-5 years. Until they get a tiny splash in the paper, they are unknown, and nameless and faceless. If you kill 20, you get 'highest honours in the land, victory parade, schools named after you, etc. Save 20,000-50,000.... and you get a one-time splash in the paper.... 70 years after the fact....and some idiots going 'meh'.
Peter Higgs was awarded the Companion of Honour but he was the exception to the rule, Scientists and Engineers are routinely ignored in favour of those with a large media profile such as Sports stars and Fashion designers.
Or the Brits would take the whole credit for 70 years, besides other war crimes.
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