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USMA: Going the Extra Kilometer For Metrication

EagleHasLanded writes "The U.S. Metric Association has been advocating for metrication since 1916 – without much success. In the mid-1970s, the U.S. government passed the Metric Conversion Act, but now it seems the time for complete conversion has come and gone. Or could U.S. educators and health & safety advocates put this issue back on Congress' radar screen?"

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  1. Cut out the intermediary step. by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cut out the intermediary step. Adopt the units of the future world superpower now.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_units_of_measurement

    1. Re:Cut out the intermediary step. by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Informative

      No. Read the link. China has it's own units.

      Every country has traditional units. China, like Europe, uses metric in almost all engineering, building, legislation. You might buy vegetables in a street market in traditional units, though that's fast fading, but in the supermarket all the packages are marked in litres and grams. The road signs are in km. Your weight is in kgs.Your height in cm.

    2. Re:Cut out the intermediary step. by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's an interesting article, but having been to China, people talk distances between locations in km, and the weights in the market are in grams. China is SI, even if China still officially recognizes ancient measures. Have you, in your Chinese travels, ever seen anything that wasn't measured in SI units?

      Slashdot. The only site where Wikipedia trumps reality (at least the OP posted it tongue in cheek).

    3. Re:Cut out the intermediary step. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your height in cm.

      I prefer mm. 1820mm sounds pretty damn impressive.

      Your weight is in kgs.

      I prefer tonnes. 0.105 sounds far less depressing.

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  2. 0.001km = 0.01hm = 1m = 10dm = 100cm = 1000mm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It just makes sense

    1. Re:0.001km = 0.01hm = 1m = 10dm = 100cm = 1000mm by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem with base 10 as it is now used is that you get forced to an impractical scale right when you most need it.

      That's daft.

      Firstly, a 2400mm board is much more easily divisible than a 37 1/32 inch board.

      Secondly conversions in imperial are just plain awful.

      e.g.

      10mm of rain falls over a 1km^2 drainage area. How much volume does the drainage system have to dispose of?

      Now do it for imperial with inches of rain and acres of area. Oh, and did you choose gallons or cu ft?

      Now convert to mass. OK, so you need to look up a conversion table. But you might have to change your volumetric measure, since imperial has plenty of totally different ones.

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  3. The US likes being different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pissing the rest of the world off is just a bonus.

  4. You have to have the right selling point... by ClaraBow · · Score: 5, Funny

    All you have to do is convince the male congressional leaders that they will gain manhood size once we convert over to metric! 15 is a whole lot bigger than 6 :)

    1. Re:You have to have the right selling point... by slashgordo. · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Jesus were using the metric system while riding a dinosaur, we might could convince the US congressional leaders to switch to metric.

  5. Boggle by Tim+Ward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are the Colonies really still using Imperial units? - thought they must have stopped doing that yonks ago, after losing all those space probes to erroneous conversions between foot-slug-poundals and furlongs-per-fortnight.

    Or is it like their refusal to use global standard paper sizes, or basically follow any other international standards - if it was invented in Europe it must de facto be Communist and therefore can't be touched with a barge pole?

    1. Re:Boggle by Tim+Ward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Good point.

      I come across this when calculating how much fuel to put in an aeroplane - the bowser dispenses litres, I need to know what that is in pounds for the weight and balance calculation, and the fuel burn (and thus how much fuel I need) is specified in the POH in gallons per hour ... ... but these are indeed American gallons, not Imperial ones, and getting that sort of thing wrong can kill people.

    2. Re:Boggle by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      2- You can shove your commie paper sizes up your "arse".

      Fucking "Letter" page size default in every fucking installation of MS fucking Office I've used in the last 20 fucking years, and I've never even seen a piece of Letter size fucking paper.

    3. Re:Boggle by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Decimal units were actually put into practice first in the US, thanks to Thomas Jefferson who was an ardent proponent of the idea.

      He was successful in giving the US had the first decimal currency in the world, and later proposed decimalization of the units of measure.

      "to reduce every branch to the same decimal ratio already established for the coin, and thus bring the calculation of the principal affairs of life within the arithmetic of every man who can multiply and divide plain numbers." -Thomas Jefferson

      The French picked up the idea when Franklin and Jefferson promoted the idea while in France as ambassadors.

      The problem was (like in many things) Congress didn't cotton to a good idea and failed to adopt it when Jefferson proposed it after the adoption of the Constitution.

      Jefferson actually advocated the measures be based on the motion of a pendulum at 38 degrees, something that predated the definition of units in the metric system in physical units by almost 200 years.

    4. Re:Boggle by arth1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      2- You can shove your commie paper sizes up your "arse".

      Yes, far more easily. See, when I cut or fold my A4, I get an A5. And I cut or fold that again, and get A6. Then A7. All the same shape, with no bits and pieces leftover to be cut off. So I end up with 16 nice wipes of A8 and no shit on my hands.

    5. Re:Boggle by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 5, Funny

      Good point.

      I come across this when calculating how much fuel to put in an aeroplane - the bowser dispenses litres, I need to know what that is in pounds for the weight and balance calculation, and the fuel burn (and thus how much fuel I need) is specified in the POH in gallons per hour ... ... but these are indeed American gallons, not Imperial ones, and getting that sort of thing wrong can kill people.

      Well that makes my example of a quiche baked from an English cookbook turning out kind of dry seem rather trivial in comparison.

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  6. gradual transition; average people by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ths slashdot summary doesn't seem to be based closely on the linked articles:

    but now it seems the time for complete conversion has come and gone.

    The linked articles don't discuss a "cold turkey" government-mandated switch to metric (which was never a realistic possibility given the nature of American culture and politics). They discuss incremental government-mandated measures. Some of these measures have already been carried out: requiring food labeling to be in both US and metric. Some have been stalled legislatively: eliminating the US units from food labeling.

    It would be great if we could get road signs to be switched over to dual units. E.g., congress could pass a law saying that on the interstate system, any time an old sign is replaced with a new one, it has to have dual units.

    These incremental measures would be incredibly easy, and would require no new taxes or increase in government regulation (just changes to existing regulations). That's why it's so pathetic that the pace of implementing these measures has been so slow.

    I teach physics at a community college. My students are a bell curve, extending from folks who are very bright and will transfer to elite four-year schools, all the way down to people who really shouldn't be in college. The bottom half of this bell curve is probably pretty representative of the population of the US.

    Some characteristics of people in this range: (1) They tend not to understand at the conceptual level what the operations of multiplication and division are about. (2) They tend not to have any habit of checking whether their answers make sense in order of magnitude. (3) When they learn some new mathematical concept, they memorize it as a rote procedure, and therefore when they don't use it for a month, they forget it completely.

    My students are mostly science majors, so they end up developing some facility with the metric system, but it's an uphill climb. For most people, what happens is that they learn the metric system in grade school, and then they never use it in everyday life, so they forget it completely and utterly.

  7. Re:What's the point? by Idarubicin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After all, Imperial (in the US flavor) is better for computing than metric since it's at least partially base 2.

    Which would, potentially, be helpful and useful if the humans who program, enter data into, and use information from, those computers were also in the habit of working in base 2.

    And I'm sorry, as long as there are 5280 feet in a mile - that's 2^5 * 3 * 5 * 11(!?) - I'm going to call bullshit on the computing usefulness of a "partially" base 2 system.

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  8. stupid observation... by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had to equip my shop, and among other things picked up a set of socket wrenches, in both SAE and metric sizes. One thing I noticed, though, was that the socket drives were all in English measurements (1/4", 3/8", 1/2", 3/4") and that there were no metric-drive sets around anywhere. Just curious, are there any metric drive standards in Europe, and why haven't they found their way to the US? I'd expect at least some metric size sets from China to sneak in...

    1. Re:stupid observation... by loshwomp · · Score: 5, Informative

      Note to mods: He's talking about the square socket drive (from, e.g. the ratchet handle), not the size of the socket wrenches themselves.

      Just curious, are there any metric drive standards in Europe, and why haven't they found their way to the US?

      They're already here because they are the same. They are 6.35mm (1/4"), 9.5mm (3/8"), and 12.7mm (1/2").

      There would be absolutely no upside to fragmentation in this standard (the only point of which is interchangeability). If you think the point of the metric system is to have everything in some integer measurement, then you're converting for the wrong reason.

  9. Re:What's the point? by mspohr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We do make buildings using feet and inches which is a nightmare.
    Suppose you need to put a 2 feet 8 3/8 inch window in the middle of a 4 foot 7 3/16 inch wide wall.
    How far from the left edge of the wall is the left edge of the window?
    (I'll leave the math to you.)

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  10. Re:US Metrication by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    perhaps the people have spoken...many times...

    Yes, and their voice was "Ooh, change makes my head hurt. Leave me alone and give me tax cuts and reality TV".

    The last days of the empire, indeed.

  11. Re:Gasoline prices in liters at the pumps by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a myth. The only places where some 1 DM = 1 € conversions were attempted were bars and pubs.

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  12. Re:Leave the units alone by Sique · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What exactly is gained by change in units? As a metric "native" I can tell you that metric units are not based on real-world criteria. There is no way to naturally define an "approximate" centimeter or a gram (as opposed to approximate inch, foot or ounce, for example).

    Which is plainly wrong. Every unit was defined to be connected to the Meter (which is why it is called "meter", latin for "measure"). The metric ton for instance was defined as the mass of water in a cube of 1m x 1m x 1m. Thus 1 liter (1 dm) of water weighs weighs 1 kg, and 1 cm of water weighs 1 g. The meter was defined as the 10 millionth of the distance between Northpole and Equator. Only when the first units of Meter bars were founded and handed over to the national measuring bodies, one found out that there was a small mistake in measurement, and the new meter was about 2 millimeters short. But then it was too late to change that, and the meter was kept.

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  13. Re:Long Live Roman measurements by Sperbels · · Score: 5, Insightful

    though even that holds its own against the M3

    Drag racing hardly qualifies as holding its own. Real race cars have to turn sometimes.

  14. Re:Long Live Roman measurements by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    I did a little fact checking before posting

    Sacrilege.

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  15. Americans who don't understand A4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Please read this, it explains it clearly:

    http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-paper.html

  16. Re:Long Live Roman measurements by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Alright, but apart from better sanitation, medicine, education, irrigation, public health, roads, a freshwater system, public order and an automobile suspension... what have the Romans done for us?

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  17. Re:That's nearly one hectoyear! by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why should the US convert? Here's why: graph.

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