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Adrian Lamo Explains His Decision To Expose Bradley Manning

ilikenwf writes "Whether you agree with his rationale for doing so or not, Adrian Lamo has come forward to discuss his reasoning for exposing Bradley Manning. Manning, now in federal custody, leaked thousands of U.S. intelligence files and documents. Lamo's side of the story shows that he was concerned for Manning's mental health and stability, and for the lives Manning was risking by releasing classified material — Afghan informants, for instance. Either way, this goes to show that if you're going to release stolen/hacked documents, it's best you do it anonymously and don't brag about it."

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  1. Thanks for the concern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but I think a few years in solitary isn't the best thing for one's mental health and stability.

    1. Re:Thanks for the concern by jhoegl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here is how I read this conversation...
      Manning uncovered a lie by the USA Government.
      Lamo uncovered a truth about a fellow soldier.
      Both had just reasoning, but only one is being punished.
      That is the problem here... these events would have never happened had the cover up never been.

    2. Re:Thanks for the concern by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...So, Manning's rationalization for exposing many more people and putting them in a much graver situation must be worse, right?

      Yea, about that...

      It's been what, 2 years since Manning dumped those files, right? So, if there was any chance that said data would literally endanger the lives of agents in the field, as the government insists, surely said mortal danger would have occurred by now, or the agents would have been pulled, right?


      OK, so where's the evidence that Manning's actions really did cause all this personal danger that the prosecution insists occurred? 'Cuz I haven't seen it, and as the months of nothing happening continue, I'm more and more inclined to call bullshit on the claims.

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    3. Re:Thanks for the concern by greenbird · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My god. Does anyone think about consequences, or anyone but themselves, before acting anymore?

      Yeah. Problem is people like you are blind to them. We need far more of our government's secrets leaked. 99% of what the US government is keeping secret has no business being secret. And a fair percentage of that is being kept secret to cover up illegal activity by the US government. When you have crap like this going on consistently something needs change and don't give me any crap about voting either. There are no options to vote for.

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    4. Re:Thanks for the concern by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Manning didn't know what he uncovered. He just grabbed all the stuff he could.

    5. Re:Thanks for the concern by Aristophon · · Score: 5, Informative

      I am a former prison Monitor for the State of Arkansas. Not jiust the United Nations rapporteur, but me -- yes this former prison official -- knows stone cold that Manning's treatment was blatently, massively wrong. No self-respecting prison offical could get away with treating any prisoner in that fashion. Except under the "special regime" at Quantico...

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    6. Re:Thanks for the concern by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Naked does not equal freshly laundered clothes, cot with no bedding is not comfortable especially when you are regularly denied it use, air conditioning does not necessarily equate to comfort when gutless psychopaths adjust the controls and counselling services were severely restricted and used more in the content of the carrot and the stick. So as always distortions by a propagandist based upon the truth being left out.

      Lamo is just a gutless coward who went for a personal grab for glory all else is a lie. Like your typical narcissist he personally has no real idea of what is appropriate social behaviour and what is not, hence his criminal past and then of course time spent setting up his 'sic' friends (narcissists have no friends everyone is there to be used). So typical self serving selfish disconnect from what is real human social behaviour and the arse hat makes a big grab for notoriety and fame by stabbing a true hero in the back. Let's not forget all the other arse hats at Wired who similarly could not differentiate between a hero and the criminals the hero was exposing, so a piece of shit web site that should be avoided. Even now Lamo focusing is on how traitorous behaviour is affecting him and not how it is affecting Bradely Manning nor and more importantly how it is affecting other whistle blowers. The shit head still can not see how his disgusting behaviour is serving to protects liars and criminals, how it allows corrupt governments to hide the truth, how other people in similar positions to Bradely Manning have to hide corruption in fear of being stabbed in the back by the gutless back stabbing Adrian Lamo's of the world. Two years and he is over it, a hundred lifetimes wont bury that deceit and it's attack upon the truth, for the self serving glory of some worthless jerk.

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    7. Re:Thanks for the concern by greenbird · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...and you know this how?

      I read the news. Note I said read and not watch. I could list dozens of stories (probably hundreds if I took some time to research) of questionable if not down right illegal actions by the US government in the last few years. I'll name 2 quick ones other than the one I linked to just to get you started. The Kim Dotcom fiasco and the retroactive immunity for the illegal monitoring at the behest of our government by certain telecoms. Just friggin read some news and open your friggin eyes. It's not hyperbole. It's reality and it's getting worse rapidly.

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    8. Re:Thanks for the concern by Uberbah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're an idiot.

      You're projecting. If this is just about "proper channels", then why aren't military and CIA officials being prosecuted for the crimes revealed by Manning? Why is it that only the whistleblowers are facing prosecution, not those who committed torture and war crimes?

      Idiots.

  2. Babylon 5 by kentrel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Notice his bizarre reference to Babylon 5 that seems to be without irony. He's obviously a fan, but did he miss the message the show had about how a group of soldiers had to follow their conscience and expose war crimes and corruption from their government at home. These characters had to deal with propaganda from the government, professional snitches (Nightwatch) and threats of treason and imprisonment from their corrupt government. I guess Adrian Lamo was rooting for President Clarke all along.

    1. Re:Babylon 5 by niftydude · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ugh, quoting a Sci-Fi show in any context for facts and reality - you are excused from the table young man, go to your room and play with your toys.

      Science fiction (both literature and tv shows) has a long and noble history of using future scenarios to make in-depth political and social commentary.
      In fact, I recall one Star Trek OST episode was considered to be too critical of the Vietnam War, and so was censored down to 9 minutes (!) when it was first aired in Australia to make it less subversive.

      If you've never seen past the future tech and aliens to understand the underlying themes to be found in good sci-fi, then I pity you.

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  3. "Concerned" my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, because when I'm "concerned" about somebody's mental stability, the FIRST thing I think of is sending them off to be held for 900+ days in solitary confinement and psychologically tortured.

    This sort of post-hoc rationalization is actually *more* embarrassing than Lamo just coming and saying, "yeah, I did it for the fame. Suck my dick!"

  4. Lamo only cares about getting paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It'd be nice to see Anonymous take on Lamo as a new "project." Someone ought to teach him that there's a price that comes with being a paid informant, even in a police state.

  5. Hold on to your prejudices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Either way, this goes to show that if you're going to release stolen/hacked documents, it's best you do it anonymously and don't brag about it."

    Manning never "bragged" about anything. He was reaching out to a fellow hacker (who claimed to be a priest that Manning could confess to without consequence).

    Manning was in a hostile environment with NO friends and with leaders who were corrupt and untrustworthy. His own father hated him for his homosexuality. He had nobody and was under an extreme amount of stress while trying to expose the corruption of his government. Almost ANYBODY would have made the mistake of trying to seek out a person that would be like-minded.

    If this Adrian Lamo were honest and not just trying to save what is left of his "journalism" career, then he would be doing everything in his power to try and free Manning for standing by his principles.

  6. Lamo is self-serving POS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Lamo was arrested in 2003 for breaking into the NY Times website along with Yahoo, Microsoft and other. Before that he broke into various corporate networks, Lexis-Nexis, etc. Facing a possible 15 year prison sentence he took a plea bargain with reduced it to 6 month to be spent under house arrest at his parent's home. How did he get such a sweet deal? Was part of the deal an agreement to become an FBI informant possibly? Because if the Anonymous arrests have proven one thing, when hackers are faced with serving serious jail time, they will rat their own mothers out to cut a deal.

  7. Like with most situations in life... by Q-Hack! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One has to pick their path.

    The things that really sticks out in this saga are 1) Manning had legal resources available to him to expose wrong doing in the classified world. He chose to ignore that route and used the media instead. 2) Lamo looked at the shear number of documents and had to make a choice to either do nothing with the possibility of many people being killed, or turn Manning in with the possibility of facing the death penalty. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

    This saga has parallels in history. Think back to the first atomic bombs dropped on Japan. There were those in the program that had to come to grips with the fact that the work they did led to 250,000+ dead. They had basically two choices. Accept the notion that dropping those bombs led the the end of the war and ultimately reduce the total number of dead, or go crazy thinking otherwise, since we can never know for sure.

    Right or wrong, Lamo chose his path and I will not fault him for it. Manning on the other hand choose poorly.

     

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    1. Re:Like with most situations in life... by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Manning had legal resources available to him to expose wrong doing in the classified world.

      This assumes it is considered wrong-doing by the people he is required to report to.

      So how did they view the wrong-doing? You'll notice the lack of arrests other than Manning.

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  8. Re:It's hard reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In Lamo's place, I might've done the same.

    In Manning's place, I might've also done the same.

    I think the problem is the system, not the individuals who feel compelled to expose these things.

  9. Re:Why does he need to explain himself? by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because the "espionage" is actually evidence of crimes, and the authorities are criminals. I know it's hard to accept, but the people in charge are not always right and good.

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  10. Pentagon: the leak "did not disclose...sources..." by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lamo's concerns regarding disclosure of Afgahan informants from Wikileaks are thus far unfounded, and his claim that "WikiLeaks has a history of hand-waving away the consequences of their disclosures" doesn't seem to jive with the facts in this case. Below is a quote from the relevant section of the Wikipedia article.

    Informants named

    Some, including Barack Obama and Hamid Karzai, raised concerns that the detailed logs had exposed the names of Afghan informants, thus endangering their lives. Partially in response to this criticism, Wikileaks announced that it has sought the help of the Pentagon in reviewing a further 15,000 documents before releasing them. The Pentagon said it had not been contacted by Wikileaks. However, blogger Glenn Greenwald presented evidence that the Pentagon had, in fact, been contacted, and that it had refused the request.

    On 11 August, a spokesman for the Pentagon told the Washington Post that "We have yet to see any harm come to anyone in Afghanistan that we can directly tie to exposure in the WikiLeaks documents", although the spokesman asserted "there is in all likelihood a lag between exposure of these documents and jeopardy in the field." On 17 August, the Associated Press reported that "so far there is no evidence that any Afghans named in the leaked documents as defectors or informants from the Taliban insurgency have been harmed in retaliation."

    In October, the Pentagon concluded that the leak "did not disclose any sensitive intelligence sources or methods", and that furthermore "there has not been a single case of Afghans needing protection or to be moved because of the leak." Both Wikileaks and Greenwald pointed to this report as clear evidence that the danger caused by the leak had been vastly overstated.

    Yes, I know I'm threadjacking an FP, but the issue that is often made of this so far non-issue I find annoying, particularly because it tends to overshadow the facts that were revealed.

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  11. Re:Adrian Lamo: Poster Child for Power Patriotism by copponex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's why I love my fellow citizens. They're more offended by talking about death and destruction than they are about paying for it.