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Kingston Introduces 1TB Flash Drive

Deathspawner writes "If there's one thing that each CES can bring, it's a handful or products that manage to drop jaws everywhere. Kingston's latest flash drive series, DataTraveler HyperX Predator 3.0, manages to be one of those. It's aimed at folks who actually need mass storage on the go at speeds that mechanical hard drives cannot offer. Available soon will be a 512GB model, followed by the 1TB later this quarter. The drive features read speeds of 240MB/s and write speeds of 160MB/s — not quite desktop SSD speeds, but much faster than a mechanical hard drive, and with vastly reduced latencies due to it being flash storage. Not surprisingly, pricing has not yet been discussed."

170 comments

  1. It that a huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    porn collection in your pocket or ...

    1. Re:It that a huge by rvw · · Score: 1

      porn collection in your pocket or ...

      Yeah, and? The date of mine is A YEAR AGO.

      I wonder what the size of that blue pill was!

    2. Re:It that a huge by Briareos · · Score: 1

      ...an 8GB vibrator?

      (Probably the wrong demographic for /. ... :P)

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  2. prices by xorbe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Somewhere I saw ~900 Eur for the 512GB model, which is nearly USD$1200

    1. Re:prices by loufoque · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean $800.
      Remember, Europe gets fucked pretty badly when it comes to prices of electronic goods.

    2. Re:prices by Delarth799 · · Score: 2

      Current prices of a 500GB SSD are going to run you right around $380 to $600 right now depending on who manufacturer and where you buy it. This is a tad less than half the size with the same amount of space so I'm not terribly surprised. I would peg the 1TB version of this being around $2000 give or take

    3. Re:prices by NatasRevol · · Score: 0

      Including VAT?

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    4. Re:prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually if you go to Kingston's website and add the 512GB version to your cart, it's $1337.00. Not kidding. Leet speak homage or happy accident?

    5. Re:prices by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Euro is worth more than the dollar, something around 1.3

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    6. Re:prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well he's saying that a USD$800 gadget in the USA goes for EUR800 across the pond, despite the exchange rate.

    7. Re:prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Woosh! What he meant was that even if it was 900 EUR which would be more than 900 USD, the price in EUR is usually higher than the price in USD. Same goes for AUD. Games are twice as more expensive in Australia because even if the AUD has caught up with the USD, the numbers in the prices haven't changed so what's 30 USD costs 60 AUD even if AUD > USD.

    8. Re:prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Europe gets fucked in the ass pretty badly when it comes to prices of electronic goods.

      But they like it, because all Europeans are homosexual , European computer hobbyists especially so.

    9. Re:prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Europeans tend to get paid better than the poor slobs across the pond, so it evens out.

    10. Re:prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 512GB is USD$1337 on Kingston.com - don't expect the 1TB to be that 'affordable.'

    11. Re:prices by GeniusDex · · Score: 1

      In my experience the prices in EUR and in USD are roughly the same. Partly because we do pay more, but mostly because we include VAT in the price. At the current 21% VAT (in the Netherlands), the remaining difference in price is only relatively small (~5%).

    12. Re:prices by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      Do they? I think you may be thinking of Australia there...

    13. Re:prices by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      nuts posted this in the wrong place, and once more from the top:

      Do they? I think you may be thinking of Australia there...

    14. Re:prices by fgouget · · Score: 1

      You mean $800. Remember, Europe gets fucked pretty badly when it comes to prices of electronic goods.

      One thing to remember is that usually you're comparing $800+VAT to 900€ with VAT-included, where the VAT can be as high as 19.6%. I'm not saying this explains it all, far from it, but it's a factor.

    15. Re:prices by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Europeans also get taxed into oblivion and have to pay tons for a million different little licenses and fees before they can pick their own noses, so it all evens out.

      Did you know in Belgium you need a license to golf? I shit you not.

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    16. Re:prices by loufoque · · Score: 1

      19.6 is the current maximum VAT rate in France (which is going to increase soon). In any case it's not the highest VAT rate in Europe, which is 25% (Denmark).

    17. Re:prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is still pretty cheap... I bought my first flash drive about 10 years ago. A 128 *MB* for around $28 USD. Which, if i haven't forgotten to carry a 1 somewhere, amounts to around $229,376 per terabyte.

    18. Re:prices by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Do they? I think you may be thinking of Australia there...

      The Norse is strong with this one.

    19. Re:prices by jez9999 · · Score: 2

      Here's a decent 480GB SSD: http://www.ebuyer.com/284750-ocz-480gb-agilitry-3-ssd-agt3-25sat3-480g

      It now costs 347.64 pounds ($557.55) but I recently paid 290 pounds ($465) for it! So you can get really decent-sized quality SSDs if you shop around.

    20. Re:prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You get something for your taxes. Which means you have to pay less total. Which means that an European has far more discretionary income than an American.

      Healthcare: $400/month for a single person in tip-top health is a standard rate. Other countries have actual functioning UHC systems. In the US, it is a mandatory "tax" to private insurers who can dictate costs at will. In the past two years, without any health issues, my premiums have doubled. Europeans don't have to worry if they will be able to afford the hospital or ambulance.

      Schooling: Take a German friend of mine in college: The BRD is paying his tuition while in the States, he has a decent car, and spending money. The same person in the US has to go into debt for the same thing. The US has decent colleges, but they cater to foreign students whose governments pay for them.

      A friend of mine from China, part of the PLA, is going to school for engineering. Think the US Army would send an enlisted private to college for four years before they get an engineering degree on Uncy Sam's dime? Yeah right. Someone with a MOS 11x is lucky to receive a functioning rifle (it usually is made by the lowest bidder) when dropped in a theater of war.

      Infrastructure: I can get by in almost all of Europe with a folding bicycle, and an Eurailpass, perhaps a bus fare here and there. Good luck with that in the US except for the Bay Area and NYC. Of course, in my neck of the woods, the only new highways are toll roads, so I will be spending $20 (15.24 Euros with the rate of the weak dollar) a day just trying to go 18 km in under two hours.

      Crime: US police are grossly underfunded and mainly used to slurp up marijuana criminals to feed the private prisons. In Canada, I can trust the police to actually show up in an emergency. Here in the US, they might show up, but by that time, the deed is done.

      I hate the fact that I have to have firearms and a concealed carry in order to stay alive even in a "better" part of the town I live in. At home, I've had to run attempted burglars off a number of times with the sound of a pump action 12 gauge, and my CHL has saved my life... last week my little derringer drawn and ready has caused a guy who was breaking into my car and about to charge at me with a knife to run the other way.

      In Europe, you might have pickpockets, but in general, people respect the law. European police are extremely well trained (the German people I went to criminal justice class with has the equivalent of a master's degree in CRJ and law... and that's just a common street donut eater over there.) You don't have to pack heat everywhere you go to survive in Europe. I also end up carrying a Kimber JPX (glorified squirt gun with two charges of pepper spray), and that has saved my hide many times. The police are too underfunded, and the low-lives know this.

      Work. Europeans tend to have jobs and a net to fall into if they lose their employment. Americans have nothing.

      So, when you lay it all out what Europeans get for their "heavier" taxes, they are a LOT better off. Every educated American knows this.

    21. Re: prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      27% in Hungary and others are heading there, too.

    22. Re:prices by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Hardly a woosh- the intent of the OP was to convert Euro directly into USD, not to speculate on what the cost would actually be. I thought the following poster's comment was useless with out an explanation of why he thought the costs were higher.... so woosh on your woosh!

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  3. How many? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So how many library of congress is that?

    1. Re:How many? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how many library of congress in my pants is that?

      FTFY

  4. hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Awesome

  5. Buzzword Bingo? by iYk6 · · Score: 5, Funny

    DataTraveler HyperX Predator 3.0

    I laughed for about half a minute at that name. Next year: Mega Terminator X-treme 5x5!!!

    1. Re:Buzzword Bingo? by Deathspawner · · Score: 1

      It's times like this when I wish I had mod points to use :( (aka: I couldn't agree more).

    2. Re:Buzzword Bingo? by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      DataTraveler HyperX Predator 3.0

      I laughed for about half a minute at that name. Next year: Mega Terminator X-treme 5x5!!!

      Soon followed by the Gargantutron Ultra eXtreme Super Hyperwossname.

      Long ago, far away, names were already a complete mockery of the marketing department clowns. They have transcended mere idiocy, surpassed art-form and gone right down the Ultra eXtreme loo.

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    3. Re:Buzzword Bingo? by EvanED · · Score: 2

      Reminds me of this standup sketch...

    4. Re:Buzzword Bingo? by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      They're saving Y-8 for croquet.

    5. Re:Buzzword Bingo? by WillgasM · · Score: 1

      Just call the next one "Cloud". I store everything in the Cloud.

    6. Re:Buzzword Bingo? by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      Just call the next one "Cloud". I store everything in the Cloud.

      Cloud's too slow.

      Let me know when your local telco upgrades that copper so you can upload data at 160MB/s and also drops usage caps.

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    7. Re:Buzzword Bingo? by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 3, Funny

      I see your Dara O'Briain and raise you Bill Hicks.

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    8. Re:Buzzword Bingo? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      DataTraveler HyperX Predator 3.0

      I laughed for about half a minute at that name. Next year: Mega Terminator X-treme 5x5!!!

      AT 4G LTE SPEEDS WITH VERIZON 4G LTE, THE NATION'S FASTEST 4G LTE NETWORK, FROM VERIZON, THE LEADER IN 4G LTE.

    9. Re:Buzzword Bingo? by Curupira · · Score: 2

      Just call the next one "Cloud". I store everything in the Cloud.

      Cloud's too slow.

      Let me know when your local telco upgrades that copper so you can upload data at 160MB/s and also drops usage caps.

      ~Whoooosh!~

    10. Re:Buzzword Bingo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If you work in marketing - other than in my marketing department, of course, because I rely on them to bring all you suckers here tonight - anyway, if you work in marketing for any of my rivals ..."

    11. Re:Buzzword Bingo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    12. Re:Buzzword Bingo? by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      Something for the dads is way better than astrology? Oh wait, wrong show... I'm thinking of Craic Dealer.

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    13. Re:Buzzword Bingo? by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      As a recent visitor to your United States of so on and so forth... this. Exactly this.

      Also, I found Verizon 4G LTE is pretty shit. At least in Chicago.

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    14. Re:Buzzword Bingo? by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      No seriously. I can't figure out why this is making me giggle so much. But it is. So thank you.

      On that note, is it me, or is advertising in the USA EXTREMELY BUY NOW FUCKING ORDER TODAY OBNOXIOUS!?!?!?!

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  6. and the all important $$$ factor by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Informative
    According to Engadget it is not something we are all going to bring to work day to day just yet

    If you're interested in snagging one of the top two units, be advised that the price of the 512GB edition is a staggering $1,750.00 -- so you'd better get working on impressing that MLB scout next time they're passing by.

    http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/07/kingston-1tb-flash-drive/

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    1. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by WankerWeasel · · Score: 1

      The Swiss Army knife with a 1TB drive available last year goes for $3000.

    2. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Maybe they're making these for movie execs who need to carry the movies they made a profit from on their keys? I guess that's a market, right?

    3. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      According to Engadget it is not something we are all going to bring to work day to day just yet

      If you're interested in snagging one of the top two units, be advised that the price of the 512GB edition is a staggering $1,750.00 -- so you'd better get working on impressing that MLB scout next time they're passing by.

      http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/07/kingston-1tb-flash-drive/

      And in three years they'll be selling them at the office supply store for $30.

      Ain't the relentless march of tenchological innovation wunnerful?

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    4. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      The Swiss Army knife with a 1TB drive available last year goes for $3000.

      I find the older ones amusing. What good is this old memory stick on a knife good for? At least a knife is timeless.

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    5. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by failedlogic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There would be no market. I'm not sure if you're implying this.

      According to Hollywood accounting rules, no movies ever make a profit .... so no movies for movie execs to carry around!

    6. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      oh exactly, Does anyone remember what a 10 meg hard drive cost in say 87?

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    7. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Around 1990, I paid $400 for a 40MB MFM drive.

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    8. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by dkmeans · · Score: 1

      Yeah, about $1200 installed in a "real" IBM PC-XT...

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    9. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      I remember upgrading my PC back around 94.

      $250 to move from a 33MHz processor to 66MHz.
      $250 to double the RAM to 8MB.

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    10. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      Around 1990, I paid $400 for a 40MB MFM drive.

      Dude! By 1990 everyone was moving to RLL!

      Ah, and we once had a stack of old Byte magazines on a shelf in the corner, I leafed through a few for a good laugh. 1980 a 5 MB drive cost $2500, a 10 MB drive cost about $4000.

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    11. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In the early 90s we paid over $30,000 for a 160MB SSD. And it wasn't even flash, it lost all the data when you turned it off.

      http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/3043/Anamartic-Wafer-Scale-160MB-Solid-State-Disk/

      Made Windows 3.1 boot really fast though :).

    12. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Why wouldnt you just get an SSD thats nearly the same size, and about 3 times faster? There are USB-to-SATA docks that are tiny and only about $20.

    13. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by sconeu · · Score: 2

      In '92 we paid $3000 for 32MB RAM in a new departmental Unix server.

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    14. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by fnj · · Score: 1

      Convenience. Who wants to drag around all that kit?

    15. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      I paid $400 for my first 1G HD and also paid $400 for my first 500G HD.

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    16. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      The SSD requires power. You can't just plug it into an OTG cable and turn your Android phone into the ultimate Archos replacement.

      Plus "nearly the same size" just isn't good enough if you actually care about capacity. It's kind of like being almost pregnant. Your device is either big enough or not. "There is no try".

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    17. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Wow, that makes the $1300 Apple charges to upgrade from 128GB to 768GB SSD on their Macbook Pro seem reasonable...

    18. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by mlts · · Score: 1

      If the technology came down in price (say to $100-$200), where this would shine would be a possible successor to tape drives. Since Flash drives can be made in almost any shape, creating a form factor that is made to be used in a robot silo with highly dense packing of the drives would be easily doable. Combine that with the second that the media is mounted, I/O can start happening (unlike tapes which require the drive to physically grab the media and swish it past the heads.) Shoe-shining would be a thing of the past. The silo also could quickly scan media in use for errors and relocate it either when it isn't busy, or have dedicated read/writes just to do that. Add hardware based compression and encryption, and this would be a solution that would replace tape in a footprint much smaller.

      Of course, there is the fact that SSDs are not recoverable if something happens to the cells, while tape can sit for decades and still be used. However, with an active media management cycle and a backend program checking and moving data before it gets nailed by bit rot, this can be minimized.

      In a media cycle, there is always the destruction or erasure of data. With flash/SSD, this is trivial -- if the drives are not self-encrypting, have the OS fire off a TRIM command, zeroing all sectors. If the drives have built in encryption, purge the key, recreate another one, then fire off a TRIM command. If the SSD needs physically destroyed, there is always the ability to add e-fuses so the drive can be zapped on the electronic level making recovery requiring the resources of a chip fab.

    19. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Robot silo? Just switch them.

    20. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really, we're talking about Victorinox afterall. They aren't exactly known for the quality of their knives, at least not compared to Ka-Bar, H&K, Leatherman or Gerber.

    21. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      No, I meant each movie the PRODUCER made money off of. Producers don't cheat THEMSELVES out of money.

    22. Re:and the all important $$$ factor by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      The problem with that is that modern SSDs, I think, when left offline for extended period of time can lose their contents. I've heard that number is around 3 months or so for modern units? Older units with larger feature size were more resilient.

      But I can't find my notes and may be wrong.

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  7. 1TB was available before this by WankerWeasel · · Score: 4, Informative

    They've offered a Swiss Army knife with a 1TB drive for over a year now.

    1. Re:1TB was available before this by kav2k · · Score: 3, Informative

      Came here to remind of that. Here's a hands-on.

  8. Chris Hansen eat your heart out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now everyone wants to catch a Predator.

    1. Re:Chris Hansen eat your heart out by SpzToid · · Score: 1

      I'll glady trade you the predator on my back for... a library of congress?

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    2. Re:Chris Hansen eat your heart out by bejiitas_wrath · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why don`t you take a seat over there. Did you know that flash drive was under 16GiB?

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    3. Re:Chris Hansen eat your heart out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a touching story!

  9. Pricing? by briancox2 · · Score: 1

    Not surprisingly, pricing has not yet been discussed.

    If under $150, this might be my default Linux installation hard drive with a persistent installation. One desktop with consistent programs and data on any computer I use would be very nice.

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    1. Re:Pricing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and if under 2 pennies i'd buy these things instead of regular coasters to place my glass on.

      150$ is a completely unrealistic price point for these things, you better be thinking atleast 15 times as much, most likely more.

    2. Re:Pricing? by timeOday · · Score: 1

      I tried to do this recently on a 128 GB SD card, thinking it would be sweet to keep my whole operating environment (data and a Win7 VM with MS Office, Project, Matlab, gimp, DeLorme Topo...) all with me on a TrueCrypt volume. Capacity wasn't so much the issue for me, but speed was (I saw at best 40 MB/s read with the Lexar 400x, and 30 MB/s with the Sandisk Extreme 45MB/s - and less for writing). They were fine for storing most data, but too slow for suspending and resuming the VM. The promised specs for these new thumb drives sounds great, and makes me wonder if thumb drives don't have much more advanced onboard controllers than SD Cards do. (My PowerBook Pro has no USB3, and there is no Thuderbolt to USB3 adapter, so there is no practical way to plug a fast thumb drive into it).

    3. Re:Pricing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oooh, sorry! Unlike Linux, it's thousands of dollars!

  10. An innocent question, please be gentle... by Nrrqshrr · · Score: 2

    As a guy with several computers and with the most recent one boasting a mere 100ish GB space (I never really needed more). I have always been curious about something, my own drives cause me quite a lot of time wasted on defragmentation, otherwise I would get meet those pesky bottlenecks way too often for my taste. So I wondered how that much space, 1 TB or more could affect defragmentation. I mean by that, would a regular 1 TB drive start bottlenecking at the same point (of frequency of use and space usage) as a mere 100 GB drive, or does the added space add to the "tolerance" of such a drive?

    1. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by Alter_3d · · Score: 1, Informative

      Defragmentation doesnt affect flash drives, or SSDs. They access data randomly, not sequentially like a HDD

    2. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which OS are you using, what filesystem, and how are you measuring the bottleneck caused by fragmentation?

    3. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by ninlilizi · · Score: 0

      I think this is more dependant on the filesystem choosen that anything.
      Generally things like ext4 avoid fragmentation better than ntfs historically did. Can't speak for all the quirks of the myriad choices out there.
      But generally, an intelegient fs would try and locate a new file in an contigeous space as possible.
      With a larger volume vs contents there is a lot more empty space to choose from when creating new large files. So bareing the odd application expanding files in a less than inteligent manner or the odd older fs quirk. FAT32 and its ilk being particularly poor here. Then, yes a larger drive could potentially make your life much more pleasent in this area.

    4. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you're talking about hdd's... I don't think fragmentation matters in ssd drives, there is no read head movement and thus should be no negative impact of seeking data that's scattered around.

    5. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 1

      Wrong question and depends on your usage pattern. A 1TB HDD is almost certainly going to have hardware improvements and perform better than your 100GB, fragmented or not.

      The drive in TFA is a SSD, not a HDD, though and never requires defragmentation because it isn't slowed down by fragmentation.

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    6. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flash drives don't get fragmentation the same way traditional mechanical drives do. It handles allocation transparently. You should NEVER defragment a flash drive.

    7. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by loufoque · · Score: 0, Troll

      SSDs might not, but the filesystem does.

    8. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if it says you're fragmented, just ignore it. Doesn't affect ssd performance.
      And with ssd wear leveling your os/filesystem can't even know where the blocks are stored physically.

    9. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by nabsltd · · Score: 4, Informative

      SSDs might not, but the filesystem does.

      You don't need to defrag a filesystem on an SSD, because the purpose of defragging is to remove the need for random seeks, which are slow on a spinning magnetic disk.

      Since the penalty for an extra random read on even a "slow" SSD is around 0.1ms (with fast drives around 0.03ms), even a horribly fragmented file wouldn't make much difference compared to "read X consecutive blocks". For example, if every block required a separate "read" command because the file was completely fragmented, it would take nearly 100 blocks before you'd hit the penalty for a single extra seek on a mechanical hard drive.

      And, nearly all that penalty is for the OS and hardware, because every read on an SSD is really random with respect to where the data really resides (because of the wear-leveling algorithms). So, even if you read 20 consecutive disk blocks, you might be reading from 20 different areas in the flash memory.

    10. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get yourself a RAID 10 or RAID 5 or 6 setup and you'll rarely ever notice performance degradation due to file fragmentation. As your seek time approaches 0, fragmentation becomes a non-issue.
      But to answer your question, even filesystems on big drives suffer from fragmentation. It's all about efficiently writing to the platters, and having more space available doesn't suddenly make the read/write heads move fast enough to write multiple files on different cylinders or spin the platter faster so that consecutive sectors get written to for the same files.

    11. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by hobarrera · · Score: 0

      Fragmentation is related to the filesystem, not the underlaying hardware.

      Fragmentation is not relative to size, but rather to useage: creating/deleting files (the space left between them is too small for new files and can't be used, for example).
      In any case, fragmentation is not an issue in most OS, it was only a real issue on DOS. I've no idea about windows though.

    12. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by loufoque · · Score: 0

      Fragmented files take more space on the disk than contiguous ones and require more time to manage them.

    13. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      No, it doesnt. Fragmentation is only an issue when seek times are an issue. The filesystem really doesnt care how your data is split up.

      Regardless, Microsoft, as well as basically every SSD vendor, highly recommends that you do NOT defragment your SSD. You're welcome to argue with them if you like.

    14. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Not always, AFAIK the filesystem will fill up one block completely before moving onto the next one, regardless of where it is located. Wasted space from allocation block size ("cluster size") is only really an issue with lots of files which are smaller than the cluster size.

    15. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      It's not so much the filesystem that decides how fast your drive gets fragmented or how badly; it's the OS's algorythm for deciding where to put each new file. Up until Microsoft introduced the NFS file system, their method of stuffing the beginning of each file into the first available cluster without checking to see if it were big enough guaranteed that every disk would get fragmented and need regular defragging. (I don't do Windows any more, and don't know how NFS handles this.) Linux uses a different method that both spreads files out across all of the partition and tries to find a big enough spot from the beginning, so that unless your partition is very close to full there will be few, if any fragmented files. I don't know if Linux does that on a FAT or VFAT drive, but I've got no specific reason to think it doesn't.

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    16. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Actually, the drive is Flash USB, not a (SATA) SSD. But in any case, fragmentation can definitely slow down flash drives - and can be even worse than an HDD on writes. Look it up...

    17. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Up until Microsoft introduced the NFS file system

      Umm, what? Is there another (less common) usage of that TLA?

      The most common usage of NFS (citation not provided!) is Network File System, originally developed by Sun. Maybe you mean a specific IMPLEMENTATION of that from MS?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_File_System

    18. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Fragmentation in SSD does affect the system performance. It is just that the effects are much smaler than on disk, so everybody ignores it.

      Except for the in die cache, all the levels of the memory hierarchy of a modern computer are affected by fragmentation. But only disks are completely ruinned by it.

    19. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      There are two different kinds of fragmentation.

      Internal fragmentation makes files bigger, but doesn't slow down the access. External fragmentation doesn't increase the files size, but slows down the access. The OS is able to trade one by the other by changing the block size. The biggest this size, the more internal fragmentation and less external fragmentation you'll have.

      On memories with fast random access you can use very small block sizes, and thus avoid losing too much space.

    20. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This doesn't address your question, but if you're a developer, it needs said. If you only need 100GB->500GB of space, buy an Intel SSD for the computers that you sit down in front of most often. Dropping an SSD in my dev machines is the smartest thing I've done in ages... you don't realize how much waiting on drive seeks sucks until you've eliminated them.

      My media server doesn't have SSDs, as it spends most of its time streaming large files to machines on my LAN.

    21. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He means NTFS not NFS

    22. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      Fragmented files take more space on the disk than contiguous ones and require more time to manage them.

      Only a tiny amount more space (in the allocation table) is used, even for the most fragmented of files. The actual data doesn't take any more space regardless of fragmentation.

      As for speed, again it is insignificant compared to disk access and data read times (even on SSDs). Even at 600MB/sec (pretty much the limit of SSDs today), a 4KB read takes about as long as executing 50 CPU instructions at 3GHz. If the allocation table is cached in RAM (which it very likely will be), then even requiring a lookup and block location calculation for every block could be done without slowing down the disk throughput. With even just some of the file being contiguous (so that you have 100-200 blocks in each extent), you'd have time for 5000-10000 CPU instructions (and double or triple that with even more real world disk speeds), which is far more than enough to do the job.

    23. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      Fragmentation in SSD does affect the system performance. It is just that the effects are much smaler than on disk, so everybody ignores it.

      I've got bad news for you. Even if your SSD was 100% defragmented it would still be physically fragmented due to the internal wearleveling that SSDs use. They intentionally scatter storage around the drive in order to even out the amount of cell usage to prolong life.

    24. Re:An innocent question, please be gentle... by BradleyUffner · · Score: 2

      I've got bad news for you. Even if your SSD was 100% defragmented it would still be physically fragmented due to the internal wearleveling that SSDs use. They intentionally scatter storage around the drive in order to even out the amount of cell usage to prolong life.

  11. Seems it was only a few years ago... by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    8GB drives were something to salivate over, because you could store an entire DVD on it.

    Now these things are so commonplace I have them littering my desk, giveaways from tradeshows, vendors, etc. You can get them in amusing shapes of Taz, Hello Kitty or Dora the Explorer at the office store.

    Finally dipping my toe in the water with an SSD for the desktop machine. It's been running for years on a pair of Seagate 160GB SATA I drives, which are near capacity. I thought about buying a couple of 1.5 TB drives, but reviews are very dismal on mechanical storage drives now. Seems a lot of old manufacturers are being bought up by Seagate and Seagate and Western Digital will soon be the only players left in a "buggy whip" market. Hard to beat the GB/$ deal with hard drives, but with 1 year warranties and a lot of DOA deliveries, plus quite a lot of drives which seem to die within the first year, I'm not super inclined to put my valuable files on them.

    Here's hoping by the end of the 2013 we have some good prices on high capacity SSDs and In can move my photos, videos and miscellaneous crap onto new drives.

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    1. Re:Seems it was only a few years ago... by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 1

      Hard to beat the GB/$ deal with hard drives, but with 1 year warranties and a lot of DOA deliveries, plus quite a lot of drives which seem to die within the first year, I'm not super inclined to put my valuable files on them.

      IMHO, the current way to go is big old spinning disks configured as RAID on a NAS for bulk storage, and SSD for PC/Laptop/etc drives. Your valuable files are safe enough and you get great OS performance without breaking the bank on big SSDs...

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    2. Re:Seems it was only a few years ago... by Kjella · · Score: 2

      I think the only people to care enough to write reviews on mechanical drives these days are those with a bad story to tell because there's absolutely nothing exciting to say. Nobody cares about performance anymore because SSDs has spanked them every which way but they're cheap, big and they work, sure you could get a lemon but I'd take backups of that SSD too. I think your chances of a broken drive was much higher back when they had new tech and doubled in capacity every two years.

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    3. Re:Seems it was only a few years ago... by avandesande · · Score: 1

      SSD for booting and apps and mechanical drive for media is the way to go

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    4. Re:Seems it was only a few years ago... by antdude · · Score: 1

      My father/dad/pa has a bunch of old USB flash drives, memory cards, etc. They ranged from 16 MB (MEGA Bytes) to 1 GB. I wonder what to do with all them. Can I RAID? Hehe.

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    5. Re:Seems it was only a few years ago... by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      I think the only people to care enough to write reviews on mechanical drives these days are those with a bad story to tell because there's absolutely nothing exciting to say. Nobody cares about performance anymore because SSDs has spanked them every which way but they're cheap, big and they work, sure you could get a lemon but I'd take backups of that SSD too. I think your chances of a broken drive was much higher back when they had new tech and doubled in capacity every two years.

      Approximately 50% of respondents mentioned the drives worked and the were mostly happy, aside from quite a lot of drive noise. ~25% remarked their drives worked for a while. About 15% mentioned at least 1 DOA arriving in their order, whether it was the only one or one or two out of a few or several.

      Not quite the expceptions. I've dealt with RMAs before, but the concept of spending a day moving frome one drive to anther and then having it die isn't very attractive. A RAID is the only way I'll go with hard drives.

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    6. Re:Seems it was only a few years ago... by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      You could software RAID them, but you'll have 16MB "disks" since you have to go with the smallest size. You could break convention and split up the 1GB drive into 16MB partitions for the software RAID, but you'd be better off with JBOD with all those differently sized drives.

    7. Re:Seems it was only a few years ago... by antdude · · Score: 1

      Oh, you can't use different sizes of each drive as a single drive? Darn. I read that USB2 is slow and doesn't do well. :( Sheesh.

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    8. Re:Seems it was only a few years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a WD black drive: 5-year warranty, advanced replacement and they pay shipping both ways.

      Actually, get two for some redundancy.

    9. Re:Seems it was only a few years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use Greyhole. http://www.greyhole.net

    10. Re:Seems it was only a few years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think the reviews on spinning media are bad, check out the reliability of SSD's some time. They are worse than hard-drives.

      Seriously, the current SSD technology sucks balls.

    11. Re:Seems it was only a few years ago... by adolf · · Score: 1

      I've got spinny-disks in all of my machines at home (for a total of...about 12 drives, at the moment spinning 24x7, not including game consoles). The drives get changed out every now and then, but not because they're broken -- instead, it's just because the old drives are small/slow and I've happened across a substantially larger/faster drive for little/no money.

      I've been doing it this way for more than 20 years.

      In my personal use, it has been over a decade since I had a hard drive die without an obvious external cause. That timeframe is coincident with when I started buying good power supplies instead of whatever crap came with a $25 ATX case.

      But in the 90's, it was a semi-annual event for me to RMA a hard drive, even though back then I had a whole lot fewer of the things to keep track of.

      I could draw from my experience and deduce one or more of the following:

      A. I am inexplicably luckier than I used to be.
      B. Good power supplies keep hardware alive longer.
      C. Hard drives are more reliable than they used to be.

      That said, as another poster pointed out, nobody ever complains about a hard drive that still works. So please also allow me to complain that I've got four Seagate drives in my main desktop computer which range in age from 1 to 7 years old, and no failures.

    12. Re:Seems it was only a few years ago... by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Finally dipping my toe in the water with an SSD for the desktop machine

      My advice: get on with it. I had a 2-year-old Seagate platter drive just die on me the other day (could hear the read head scraping the platter). Meanwhile my 5-year-old Kingston SSD has slowed down a lot, but is still chugging along. And I use that with Windows XP, heavily, as my main drive. At worst, it will probably revert to read-only mode, while my platter based drive is dead as a dodo. Good job I make backups. I plan now to only ever buy SSDs; these days, you can just about get affordable 512GB SSDs and in a few years, 1TB ones will be affordable. Goodbye platter drives; can't say I'm too sad to be leaving you. :-)

    13. Re:Seems it was only a few years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SDD have very poor reliability.they die very suddenly and are unrecoverable.google it yourself and you will be shocked how unreliable SSD really are.

    14. Re:Seems it was only a few years ago... by crypticedge · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. Ive got a 66% failure rate with the SSD's I've bought, only one that survived was an Intel.

      The boss has a 100% failure rate with his SSD's, 4/4 failed.

    15. Re:Seems it was only a few years ago... by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      OpSys and small files (such as programming stuff) on the SSD, then a 2nd larger magnetic bulk drive for media. Or store the bulky stuff on a central NAS unit.

      The most important thing is to make good backups of the SSD (Acronis, Ghost, other backup software). They can and will fail at the worst moments, so it's a good idea to be able to quickly restore from backup.

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  12. Can we have real USB SSDs? by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

    I bought a 512GB SSD for $400-ish. It's about time somebody stuffed that kind of drive into a USB stick. It should have mass market appeal so the volume should be much higher than regular SSDs.

    1. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      I bought a 512GB SSD for $400-ish. It's about time somebody stuffed that kind of drive into a USB stick. It should have mass market appeal so the volume should be much higher than regular SSDs.

      Dennis Nedry called, he's got the complete mapped DNA of all the dinosaurs for you. He'll be delivering them as soon as he gets his car out of the mud.

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    2. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USB protocol is not designed for high performance IO to the level where you really are going to see 'real' SSD gains.

    3. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      Holy crap, not only did someone make a Jurassic Park reference, but I got it without having to look it up.

      You realize it's been twenty freaking years since that movie came out? I remember playing the theme song in my high school band. Sometimes I look at the guy in the mirror and wonder where the wrinkles and gray hair came from.

      Then my nine-year-old daughter asks me to get out of the bathroom so she can do her hair before she goes to her mom's house.

      "Oh, right."

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    4. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      for that same $400 you spent, I was able to get a 60GB SSD for my desktop, and a diskless gigabit NAS drive with a pair of 3TB mechanical drives.....

      SSD's are nowhere near cheap enough to use for mass storage. They're fine for installing your OS on, but if you're archiving large amounts of data (say a BluRay/DVD collection, or a CD collection in FLAC) they're overkill.

    5. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Holy crap, not only did someone make a Jurassic Park reference, but I got it without having to look it up.

      You realize it's been twenty freaking years since that movie came out? I remember playing the theme song in my high school band. Sometimes I look at the guy in the mirror and wonder where the wrinkles and gray hair came from.

      Then my nine-year-old daughter asks me to get out of the bathroom so she can do her hair before she goes to her mom's house.

      "Oh, right."

      Yeah. And I remember reading the book, at 3 AM with my heart pounding so hard in my chest that it hurt. Michael Crichton was a hell of a suspense writer -- too bad so little of it survived into the film. Steven Spielberg can be terribly overrated at times.

      So any day now someone's going to do it. Clone a mammoth or something. Count on it.

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    6. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      The USB protocol is not designed for high performance IO to the level where you really are going to see 'real' SSD gains.

      True. True.

      So it'll give a little tinge of suspense while some weasel stands at a server, dowloading the entire SQL database of all Taxpayers in the US, as the seconds tick by and the weasel begins to sweat as he hears footsteps approaching the door to the server room...

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    7. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've never seen a good movie adaptation of a book. LotR was pretty good, but so much went missing or was different than what we imagined...

      The worst I've ever seen was The Postman. It's one of the best sci-fi books I've ever read. I re-read it last month, and there were parts that brought a tear to my eye.

      We should clone a mammoth just because we can. I mean, holy shit, a mammoth. We could do it too.

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    8. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > for that same $400 you spent, I was able to get a 60GB SSD for my desktop, and a diskless gigabit NAS drive with a pair of 3TB mechanical drives.....

      Yet none of that is terribly portable.

      It's a flash drive. You're not just paying for the capacity.

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    9. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      for that same $400 you spent, I was able to get a 60GB SSD for my desktop, and a diskless gigabit NAS drive with a pair of 3TB mechanical drives.....

      Really? Where? I saw 3 TB drives in the Fry's ad over the weekend for $129. 2x would be $258.. Oh, ok, I guess you may be right.. NAS enclosures are around $100 nowadays for 2 drive ones, right?

      Still, more info about the specifics you got would be useful, maybe the 3 TB drives were cheaper than I saw.

    10. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      I bought the SSD to build large projects. My 128GB had become too small.

    11. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      WD Caviar Green 3TB were on sale at NewEgg over the xmas holiday, and could have been picked up for $120... the price has gone up to $150 for them though. I'm sure if you shop around you can find different drives for less, or you could get 2.5TB or 2TB drives to make the budget. The point wasn't so much about building a 6TB NAS device for that price as it was that SSD's are *way* overpriced when it comes to large amounts of storage. :)

      Ultimately, it was slightly fudging the numbers. If you shopped around and were willing to compromise on quality, you could do what I described for just over $400, but you might have to settle for a smaller SSD than 60GB, and a low quality NAS enclosure.

    12. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      Go watch One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

    13. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always felt that The Godfather improved on the book.

    14. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by Zaatxe · · Score: 1

      I don't know how much memory the complete mapping of dino's DNA take, but for human genome, you need about 750 megabytes, uncompressed.

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    15. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Blade runner was much better than the source material.

    16. Re:Can we have real USB SSDs? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Talking about USB, is this new drive one that can be accessed in 'superspeed' mode in USB3? Like the 10Gb/s being discussed yesterday?

  13. Slow large inexpensive flash drive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't need high performance - I just want a large (1TB+) and inexpensive flash drive - why don't these exist?

    1. Re:Slow large inexpensive flash drive? by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

      Cause the flux capacitor .... ow sorry that's cassified.

  14. Use a Dock? by greenlead · · Score: 1

    Couldn't I just take a desktop SSD along in a dock with USB and eSATA ports and be happier at lower costs? I guess maybe I'd pay about as much, but I probably don't need ALL of that capacity as flash. Maybe a hybrid drive would be good. Lots of data on platters, and the project I'm currently working on cached in flash.

  15. Piracy enablers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Aren't they just encouraging piracy?
    What are you going to fill it with? Maybe not those 1TB monsters, but 100GB or even 50GB, what are you going to use them for?

    Don't get me wrong, the way I see it, the hardware market exploded in the past 15 years, BECAUSE of piracy; I don't want/expect to see it end anytime soon, but still, how do you justify buying something like that?

    1. Re:Piracy enablers? by Frobnicator · · Score: 1

      Aren't they just encouraging piracy?

      "Enabling piracy" is the mindset of a consumer, not a producer.

      I produce data. I can easily generate 200GB of data from a multi-day photo shoot. I would LOVE to have that much storage available to me on a stick. Right now I use a small pile of 64GB and 128GB class-10 SD cards. I'd be a little worried about having that much data in a single point of failure, but the convenience factor would be very nice.

      Videographers are becoming more commonplace at weddings and other events, and I've heard them complain about the same issue: portable storage space is a pain.

      Yes, some people will use them to pirate stuff. That same stuff is available off the interwebz and cards and usb drives already, so it doesn't really open a new vector.

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    2. Re:Piracy enablers? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Large raid array for a low cost/medium performance VM environment.

      Low cost in about 2 years.

      How many flash drives can fit in the size of one 3.5" drive?

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    3. Re:Piracy enablers? by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      One afternoon of recording gameplay for my clan resulted in me filling up my 1TB drive. It's easy to max out large hard drives in a day without downloading a thing.

    4. Re:Piracy enablers? by couchslug · · Score: 1

      My late wife was an amature nature photographer and easily filled most of a terabyte.

      Not everyone has an enormous pir8ted scat porn collection.

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    5. Re:Piracy enablers? by jedidiah · · Score: 0

      "Enabling piracy" isn't even the mindset of a consumer.

      It's the mindset of a thief.

      The mindset of a consumer is to buy stuff to put on that drive.

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    6. Re:Piracy enablers? by mattack2 · · Score: 2

      Aren't they just encouraging piracy?
      What are you going to fill it with? Maybe not those 1TB monsters, but 100GB or even 50GB, what are you going to use them for?

      I don't pirate at all, but want bigger disks to use as Tivo drives. Not Flash drives, of course, but heck, maybe when those get huge/cheap, then maybe so.

      Even now, I download shows legally with my Tivo Stream to my iPad mini to watch on my treadmill.. (you can also stream them when in the same house, but with a semi-flaky WiFi network, I'd prefer to download them).

      But I still record most things in SD, since HD recordings are HUGE. I'm starting to think about doing an off-Tivo backup drive, and the bigger the better for that. (There are already lots of tools to let you do this, I just mean doing it more routinely, with HD recordings.) I record way more than I can watch during the main season, then start to catch up during the summer. Heck, over the Xmas break, I caught up on a lot of things while most shows were in reruns.

      So big drives are definitely useful for legitimate media reasons.

    7. Re:Piracy enablers? by Zeroko · · Score: 1

      I have several computations running right now with around 1GB of state each. I save them periodically for comparison over time/to mitigate power loss/to be able to back up if something goes awry (there is some randomness involved). It is pretty easy to get a few tens of GB of "temporary" state involved in a project, & when I move back & forth between them, it is nice to be able to keep the half-finished things around. (These computations do happen to involve some media (images in this case), but that only accounts for ~100MB of the data which is shared between all instances, the rest being oodles of floats.) & since I have a magnetic disk, saving & reloading the state can take several seconds (especially if I do it in all 6 or so instances at the same time).

  16. Old news! by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 1
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  17. 1TB OCZ SSD already on Newegg by Tailhook · · Score: 0

    Newegg has this listed.

    So, yeah.

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    1. Re:1TB OCZ SSD already on Newegg by WD · · Score: 2

      Apples and oranges. That's an internal, full-size, SATA drive. This is talking about a USB stick.

  18. How exactly ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... did this make Windows 3.1 boot real fast? If it lost the data when power was removed, you still have to boot from the "real" disk. Even 3.1 did _some_ caching.

    1. Re:How exactly ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... did this make Windows 3.1 boot real fast?

      Because you booted from the hard drive, then copied the Windows install to the SSD, then switched to booting from it and didn't turn the power off until you had to.

  19. OT: Your name by sconeu · · Score: 2

    It's a good thing you're bearded. "Beardo the Clean Shaven" just doesn't have the same ring to it!!!

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  20. Final Fantasy VII by tepples · · Score: 1

    Does Sephiroth also store his data in the Cloud?

    1. Re:Final Fantasy VII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does Sephiroth also store his data in the Cloud?

      He prefers to store his stuff in Aeris.

  21. Kingston's own site by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:Kingston's own site by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 2

      Yeah, and? The date of mine is A YEAR AGO.

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  22. Erase blocks by tepples · · Score: 1

    Erases on flash are still sequential, at least to the extent that all the sectors in an erase block must be copied to another sector before any of the sectors can be modified.

    1. Re:Erase blocks by unixisc · · Score: 1

      We're talking about NAND flash devices here. A block in any flash device is the minimum unit of erase bytes/words. Typically, the higher the density, the larger the blocks - so that there ain't too much of address decoding logic.

      When a block is erased, all that is needed is that the pages within that block that need writing need to be programmed (i.e. 0xffffs changed to combinations of 0s and 1s.) Once all pages within a block are written, the block cannot be updated without being erased again.

      However, across blocks, sequential accesses are not needed. So the blocks of a file on flash need not be contiguous, although it does help if they are.

    2. Re:Erase blocks by tepples · · Score: 1

      Typically, the higher the density, the larger the blocks - so that there ain't too much of address decoding logic.

      Which means these blocks end up much larger than the clusters used by a typical file system. If a file system is fragmented, then a file will be spread across multiple blocks, and multiple files will be within each block. And if a file spread across multiple blocks that themselves contain other files is changed, all these blocks will need to be erased and reprogrammed. (From the point of view of the flash device, it's as if the file system is performing an extreme form of tail merging.) So yes, it helps if the file system is not fragmented. It also helps if the operating system supports "TRIM", which tells the device that a particular part of the block no longer matters, or wipes unused sectors to a constant value, which is almost as good as TRIM in newer controllers that use a small amount of compression to ease write amplification.

  23. they should put this on that quad-core stick PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    remember this yall?
    http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/01/03/1536202/quad-core-stick-pc-runs-ubuntu

    like i said before: 8 gb on that thing's drive is unacceptable. if they can do this tb usb stick, surely we can get more drive space on that stick pc

  24. He just lost a T and didn't mean NFS by dbIII · · Score: 2

    Looks like NTFS was intended. While it doesn't fragment as badly as FAT it still doesn't wait as long as most other file systems to write so still fragments a lot more than ext, ufs, zfs and the rest. It's a tradeoff between faster writes (NTFS style) or faster reads later on (just about everything else).

    1. Re:He just lost a T and didn't mean NFS by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

      Fragmentation is kind of irrelevant on solid state storage.

  25. My DataTraveler Experience by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 1
    I got 8 64GB Kingston DataTraveler drives.

    100% failure within one year, with minimal usage. None of the drive were ever more than half full.

  26. Re:Piracy enablers? 2^19+2^18 is NOT enough!!! by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

    Pretty much anything could be called a piracy enabler. Heck, why does us wee folks even need open source software? Can't we do everything we otter do with microsoft and apple giving us their breadcrumbs into their birdcages and walled gardens? Why we must want control over our hardware and software because we be pirates, AAArgh!
    .
    I run Knoppix as a live distribution off a USB stick (a 64-GB one using K7.02 updated and upgraded to the latest level) and I'm hitting the end of the sticks capacity with all of the extra software I've installed on there. That's not even counting any media files on there beyond the "beeps-boops-doo-dah" sound effect OGG files on the OS. I can easily see lugging everything I want to around with me on a single stick. Every PDF and reference article I see and read, every page I want to review later when I'm offline, all of the sheet-music I've legally acquired and paid for could be with me on my person at all times. So where do you get off saying that there are no legal and legitimate reasons for wanting all of that capacity.
    ;>p
    Just because your brain needs only 2^19 + 2^18 bits doesn't mean that you can tell all of us that "640KB ought to be enough for everybody"!!

  27. Finally! Just stay civil & we'll get cloaking by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

    "Klingon Introduces 1TB Flash Drive"... Instantly confirming my suspicion that Star Trek was an elaborate enculturation ploy -- why else would we be porting our holiday carols, plays and other cultural events--- Then I read it again, made a prolonged sad face, and went to make more coffee.

  28. so your saying a fail proof alternative to the HD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so I can have a never dies/crashed/fails HD replacement at cost of a cheap used car

  29. Toto you are not in Kansas anymore by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Tell that to the guy a few comments up the tree who asked a question about fragmentation on spinning drives instead of the people replying. Your comment is kind of irrelevant on a thread that has nothing to do with solid state storage :)

  30. It's about time!! by pyrothebouncer · · Score: 0

    Gee, seems to me that the Flash revolution is taking WAY too long to happen. Way back in 2008 I was talking to a Chinese manufacturer who could supply me with 300+ GB flash drives for about $300 a piece. Um, that was almost 5 years ago. The mainstream flash drive producers need to catch up with the times. It frustrates me to no end when I see that the internal flash drives you can buy for your laptop are these itty bitty little drives packed in a 2.5" enclosure thing so you can put it in your computer. Why not just increase the amount of chips in the drive, boost the capacity of the drive, and make the damn thing the same size as a 2.5" drive?

    I can't wait till I can have a 10 TB flash drive in my laptop. I wouldn't have to store all my music (downloaded, produced, bought, etc.) on an external drive. And I could have more videos (the 4k vids are a bitch to store) on my computer hard drive and not have to store them on external drives. But I'm afraid at this pace I won't see that day for another 10 years or so...

    I'm not a professional, just a mid grade heavy space user. I have had to delete 100 or so GB of stuff that I had to deem not worthy to take up that space on almost a monthly basis when I was doing a lot of downloading. I also often record 20 or so GB videos and have to delete the files after I have converted them down into a more compressed format which usually spits out a 1 GB or so file. I'd rather be able to save all these files than have to keep deleting them. I'm not even recording in HD yet either.

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    Mumble mumble mum....