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Chinese Man Pleads Guilty To $100M Piracy Operation

iComp sends word of a Chinese businessman who pleaded guilty to selling pirated software the retail value of which totaled more than $100 million. The software came from over 200 different companies, and was sold to buyers in 61 different countries over a 3-year period. The man was arrested by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security on the island of Saipan in 2011, after undercover agents had been working on the case for 18 months (PDF). "Li trolled black market Internet forums in search of hacked software, and people with the know-how to crack the passwords needed to run the program. Then he advertised them for sale on his websites. Li transferred the pirated programs to customers by sending compressed files via Gmail, or sent them hyperlinks to download servers, officials said. ... Agents lured Li from China to the U.S. territory of Saipan under the premise of discussing a joint illicit business venture. At an island hotel, Li delivered counterfeit packaging and, prosecutors said, "Twenty gigabytes of proprietary data obtained unlawfully from an American software company." Officials did not identify the company in court documents."

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  1. Re:We need to stop this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Saipan is the largest island of the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands (CNMI), an unincorporated territory of the United States.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saipan

  2. A hundred million? by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the dude pocketed a hundred million bucks, then it's a hundred million dollar piracy operation. This sounds to me like the standard law enforcement press release inflation gambit.

    -jcr

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  3. 100 million my arse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    More like a 60,000 USD operation, which is what he made off his dealings. Retail value here has no meaning here as nothing was taken from anyone.

    1. Re:100 million my arse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anyway. Who BUYs pirated software? His clients should be fined for stupidity.

      They were. They paid him for the product.

  4. Censorship & Piracy by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The other day I was chatting with someone from an Islamic country and the guy told me that he **WAS FORCED TO DOWNLOAD PIRATED MOVIES** because of the censorship that was being practiced in his country.

    He posted a list of movies that he said he had to pirate because they were ***ILLEGAL*** in his country.

    The local cinemas were prohibited from showing those movies, and he couldn't buy any legal version of those movies on legal DVDs either.

    Among the names of the movies that he posted, I only remember two of them, and they were:

    The Prince of Egypt http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120794/

    and

    Babe http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112431/

    The person claimed that he felt bad for downloading the pirated version of the movies but he had no choice.

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    1. Re:Censorship & Piracy by Cryacin · · Score: 3
      How would US customs feel about his arrival in the US? How would US citizens feel about his, and other's like him living in the US?

      He should probably stop living in an Islamic country.

      Of course, he snaps his fingers, and winds up skipping down the road hand in hand with his new friends in the United States of America, who's doors are always open.

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    2. Re:Censorship & Piracy by adolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      WAS FORCED TO DOWNLOAD PIRATED MOVIES

      The person claimed that he felt bad for downloading the pirated version of the movies but he had no choice.

      Forced to download! No choice! (As if someone held a gun to his head and MADE HIM pirate movies.)

      These words. They do not mean what you think they mean.

    3. Re:Censorship & Piracy by Warhawke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I read this twice trying to understand how a censorious government was forcing this man to download movies. How did he have no choice? Were agents holding a gun to his head telling him to download? Was he working for the government and how to download the movies to determine whether their content should be censored?

      Then I realized what you (or he) meant was that he really, really wanted to see these movies and couldn't obtain them through legal channels.

      I'm usually the one with the tent and sleeper who camped out the night before when it comes to standing in the anti-censorship line, but laws are laws, and Islamic countries have different laws as values than the U.S. and others. This guy was in no way forced to download movies. He just wanted the movies and decided to go to illegal means to get them. Legally, this is no different than downloading a movie because you're out of cash. While there may be a moral issue in the appropriateness of censorship, this guy plainly and simply violated the law and ethics of his culture and then claimed the government "made him do it." I vehemently hate DRM, and it often screws up my ability to view the content in the manner that I want. At no point does it grab me and force me to perform illegal activities by stripping the DRM or pirating content. I may or may not choose to do so of my own volition, and I may feel completely justified in doing so, but I, like this guy, have the choice simply not to consume the product at all!

    4. Re:Censorship & Piracy by telchine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How would US citizens feel about his, and other's like him living in the US?

      As far as I'm concerned, so long as they learn the local language and customs ... anyone who can use an apostrophe correctly is welcome to become a US citizen.

    5. Re:Censorship & Piracy by scarboni888 · · Score: 2

      Just because a law exists does not make it right. And when laws are not right it is you moral duty to break them. Over and over again. Until the buttheads that support the wrongness finally understand the error of their ways.

    6. Re:Censorship & Piracy by 1s44c · · Score: 2

      Well if he wanted to see them he had no choice, anyway. But I think you already knew that, didn't you?

      I can't imagine why any grown man would want to watch babe, a Children's film about a talking pig.

  5. How much tax did the US company pay? by russsell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hazard a guess that the cost of this operation was less than the amount of tax that the US company paid that year.

  6. Real reason he got arrested? by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 2

    "Li trolled black market Internet forums"

    Maybe the forum members got disgusted by his posts, and so reported him to the Feds. Seriously, I didn't know till I checked my edictionary that "troll" had the pre-Internet non-mythical meaning of "circulate, move around".

    1. Re:Real reason he got arrested? by Maow · · Score: 2

      "Li trolled black market Internet forums"

      Maybe the forum members got disgusted by his posts, and so reported him to the Feds. Seriously, I didn't know till I checked my edictionary that "troll" had the pre-Internet non-mythical meaning of "circulate, move around".

      I think that "trolling" in this instance, and when people are looking to incite comments in Internet forums, comes from this definition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolling_%28fishing%29):

      Trolling is a method of fishing where one or more fishing lines, baited with lures or bait fish, are drawn through the water.

      Sounds like a reasonable analogy for what the guy was (probably) doing. Posting comments about cheap software to see if anyone would (bite|buy).

  7. Re:We need to stop this by krotkruton · · Score: 3, Informative

    Saipan isn't a foreign country, it's a US territory in the same category as Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.

  8. Arms wide open by TheDarkener · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'The man was arrested by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security on the island of Saipan'

    So lemme get this straight - the Department of Homeland Security spent taxpayer money finding and arresting a software pirate...

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    1. Re:Arms wide open by Ikonoclasm · · Score: 2

      They arrested a bootlegger. Pirates sail the high sees looking for booty to plunder. Infringing on copyrights involves downloading or sharing copyrighted work with others. Bootlegging involves copyright infringement in order to make copies for sale for profit. Piracy is a criminal offense as it often involves rape and murder. Copyright infringement is a civil offense that the MAFIAA somehow managed to convince the US government to treat like a criminal offense, even though it's definitely not. Bootlegging is a criminal offense as it involves copyright infringement for profit, which is the key distinction from simply downloading a movie to watch or a kid downloading PS because he could never hope to afford a license for himself.

  9. Re:Do not sell "pirated" software by Warhawke · · Score: 2

    Not to derail, since I completely agree, but it's worth pointing out that typical "free-sharing piracy" is not "sharing what you have."

    Although you might think you have a tangible copy of a song or movie sitting on your hard drive, what you really have (assuming you obtained it legally) is a license to use that song according to 1) the EULA, if there is one, and 2) the copyright law of your respective country. What you don't have is a license or freedom to upload and share the file with the rest of the world. That right remains with the copyright holder.

    The sword cuts both ways. We should restrict the piss out of copyright inflation and reverse it significantly, but seriously, if we've been arguing that "copyright is not property," and therefore "infringement is not theft," let's actually stick to that argument rather than pretend all of the sudden that copyrighted works are now suddenly chattel and therefore shareable.

  10. Scope of Homeland Security by orzetto · · Score: 2

    Since when Homeland Security has started investigating something as trivial as copyright violation, even on a grand scale? Aren't they supposed to deal with terrorism, natural disasters and more serious threats to life and property? Wouldn't this be the competence of the FBI instead? And what jurisdiction do the US have over this man, as the crimes committed in China?

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  11. Why are we taxpayers, paying for this? by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    Seriously, this is INSANE. First off, MS and the other companies go to great lengths to NOT pay their fair share of taxes. And if a nation attempts to have the companies and wealthy from these pay their fair share, they threaten to go elsewhere.
    Then to add injury to insult, Gates had MS Windows cost less than $5 to buy in the store in China, while here, they take in $200-1000. And they actually pay MORE taxes in China than in America. INSANE.

    BUT, I look at the likes of Bill Gates and Balmer, who have invested into companies that basically steal IP from America and are now hard at work shipping it out. For example, Bill gates wants to develop his nuke idea in China rather than in America. But, China has ZERO intention of protecting his IP. In fact, they will use it for their own purposes and like Germany's transrapid, buy one and then steal all of the tech.

    Seriously, the west needs to quit providing companies like this with help, when they constantly screw over the nation. HP, Dell, IBM, GE, etc should be allowed to take up the theft with China, rather than having us solve their issues.

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  12. Re:We need to stop this by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is Saipan in a foreign country? I thought it was part of a US territory.

    Personally, I'd outlaw governmental lying. Claiming to be a 14 year old girl to invite men to your sting? Say "I'm not a cop" when asked what you do when meeting a suspect undercover? Invite a foreign national to a US territory to arrest them for what isn't even a crime ( If I'm in Mexico and kill an American, I broke Mexican law, not US law, so deciding they are undesirable people, then inviting them to the US to arrest them for breaking US law when they never set foot there before is insane). If anything, the people that approved his visa should all be fired and arrested. They knowingly issued a visa on false grounds. I haven't seen any exception in US immigration law for covert op visas issued on false pretenses.

  13. Re:We need to stop this by TFAFalcon · · Score: 2

    Unless he was forced to take the Meth, then it was his own choice to take it. So he destroyed his own life.
    I don't see why drugs are singled out to be prohibited, when there are so many other vices that destroy lives. Alcohol, tobacco, gambling, legal drugs,...... Either ban all of them or let Darwin take care of the addicts.

  14. Piracy of expensive CAD software. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
    I know there is a strong resentment of the heavy handed tactics by MPAA and RIAA and various other copyright extortion rackets. In slashdot this has created some sympathy for anyone accused of piracy. But this is different folks.

    This guy is not pirating DVDs that sell at 10$ a pop. The software mentioned in the document, Ansoft Designer, Ansoft HFSS, Ansoft SIWave, Ansys Multiphysics etc sell at USD 50K down + 10K a year typically. The R&D content of these products are measured in man-decades. Even the entry level developer positions in such companies require a Masters in a STEM field. Computer aided design tool making companies like Ansys, Ansoft, Fluent, Abacus, *CCM++ are the last few companies that pay decent wages for American ^H^H^H^H STEM grads from American univs. It is not fair to club these companies with RIAA and MPAA and paint them all with a broad brush.

    Piracy of these software bleeds these companies and actually hurt earning potentials of nerds in America. These companies are places where it is cool to be a nerd. They treat their employees well because PhDs do not work to the drum beat of a slave driver. You have to convince them to be productive voluntarily.

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