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All New Homes In China Must Have Fiber Optic Internet Connections

redletterdave writes "Only a small number of U.S. cities can boast fiber optic connections, but in China, it's either fiber or bust. China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology has now ordered all newly built residences to install fiber optic connections in any city or county 'where a public fiber optic telecom network is available.' The new standards will take effect starting on April 1, 2013, and residents will be able to choose their own ISP with equal connections to services. The Chinese government reportedly hopes to have 40 million families connected to fiber networks by 2015."

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  1. Sounds Too Good to Be True ... by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm pretty sure internet services providers and the telecommunications market in China is dominated by two or three massive companies just like it unfortunately is in the states.

    However, even China is offering something Google and Verizon aren’t here in the US: Open access, and the choice of multiple service providers once the fiber is installed.

    Um, yeah so you can pick from China Telecom and China Unicom which are both -- SURPRISE SURPRISE -- state run and controlled providers. So, yeah, go ahead and select between Super Auspicious Provider A and Premium Auspicious Provider B and think you have a choice just like Cox and Comcast are two sides of the same inept coin.

    According to the China Daily report, the Chinese government hopes to have “40 million families connected to fiber networks by 2015,” which is almost one-third of the country’s entire population.

    Emphasis mine. Anyone see a believable plan on how that's going to happen? I mean, I bet every government hopes to have a third of its nations homes on fiber networks by 2015 ... that sounds like a rather expensive project that you're not going to see a return on until the state owned providers pay it back though. You've got a state owned and state controlled newspaper telling you about something unbelievably awesome enforcing some totally unrealistic (unless there are few fiber neighborhoods) regulation. Am I the only one saying that I will applaud them when it's actually in place and working?

    2015 is two years away. Um, yeah, they had better get crackin'. Well, I guess when you can just force the poorer farming people to work for free it might be possible! That little project was called “Speed up the Roads and Enrich the People” hahaha. Here's your shovel, comrade. Now start digging until you're enriched.

    The skeptic in me is just thinking that the home builders in China just need to pay off one more inspector to get a structure standing. Hell, their sheet rock and cement are clearly bribed through quality control -- why not structural, electrical and fiber officials?

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    1. Re:Sounds Too Good to Be True ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree with your skepticism. I think the bigger question is what's the politburo is trying to accomplish as a whole--not just with the internet. I think what people have to understand is that every company in China is owned by the communist government--whether covertly or overtly, just look at who founded Huawei for an example (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren_Zhengfei). China is slowly taking over the general aviation businesses in the US either by buying them out or requiring that that a China-based company be a partner to sell aircraft in China--just look at Cessna's LSA plan for example (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_162#Chinese_production_controversy).

    2. Re:Sounds Too Good to Be True ... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      China Telecom and China Unicom which are both ... two sides of the same inept coin.

      Except the are not inept. Internet service in China is far cheaper, faster, more reliable, and more pervasive than what you find in the USA. Since these are SOEs, they are not entirely profit driven, but also consider wider societal goals, such as the economic and business benefits of a well connected population. There are certainly downsides to authoritarian socialism, but building out public infrastructure isn't one of them.

    3. Re:Sounds Too Good to Be True ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The big joke though, is that even if you get fiber to the home, you only get 20 Mbits down, and ... tadaaaa ... 512 Kbits up! For that kind of connectivity, using fiber is overly stupid. ADSL is enough.

      And in ten years when you want to upgrade you would have to install fiber in every house. By install fiber in the houses you only need to upgrade the connection to the house later.
      Going for ADSL directly only makes sense if you plan to tear the house down within ten years.

    4. Re:Sounds Too Good to Be True ... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Informative

      I agree with your skepticism. I think the bigger question is what's the politburo is trying to accomplish as a whole--not just with the internet. I think what people have to understand is that every company in China is owned by the communist government--whether covertly or overtly, just look at who founded Huawei for an example (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren_Zhengfei).

      Really? Every company? I guess the company I own - of which I am the sole registered owner, and the only person on the bank accounts - is somehow State owned. It's no more State owned than my company in the US, meaning it's my private property until the Government decides I'm either doing something they don't like, or am doing it too successfully and need "their assistance" to make it better. But for now - it's 100% privately held by a foreign national. And there's no problem with that.

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    5. Re:Sounds Too Good to Be True ... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As another expat spending inordinate amounts of time in Shanghai, the Internet available (50 Mbps fiber for me) is a lot better than the options I have in my other home in Santa Barbara. And whilst China does block access to some foreign (US) sites, and many US sites (Hulu, Netflix, Pandora, MOG, etc) block me, my nice little low-cost VPN perforates through all that stuff without a hitch.

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    6. Re:Sounds Too Good to Be True ... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, yes I live in mainland China, and have done so for 6-7 months a year for the last 7 years. The 50 Mbps fiber I have for my apartment in Shanghai (Lujiazui district) provides nearly that via my VPN back to the US so I can stream several channels of MOG as well as Netflix. It's pretty darn good. Is it always 50 Mbps? Nope. But then again, my other place (Santa Barbara, served by Cox Internet) rarely can provide what it advertises as well.

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    7. Re:Sounds Too Good to Be True ... by Yomers · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure, famous Chinese gulags! Thats why they have 121 prisoners per 100 000 population, while in truly democratic US... Wait, OH SHI.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

  2. Sounds good by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    in any city or county 'where a public fiber optic telecom network is available.'

    Any how many of these houses will meet that rather essential qualification?

    Hell, I could install a fiber network in my house and run it out to the curb. But that isn't going to make any difference if there is nothing to connect it to, now is it?

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  3. I smell alterior motives... by swschrad · · Score: 4, Funny

    you can choose from Red Army #3 ISP, or Domestic Security Glorious Revolution ISP #1, or Internal Enforcement ISP #7...

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  4. meaningless by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "ll newly built residences to install fiber optic connections in any city or county 'where a public fiber optic telecom network is available"

    Duh. if the network IS AVAILABLE of course it will be installed. The cost is negligible if you do it with the other services.

    This is just some bureaucrats trying to take credit for something that's already happening.

  5. Building construction by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just about all residential buildings are poured concrete. This includes the walls which carry the load. Most AC wiring is done externally. Fuck up an internal wiring run, and you might not be able to fish it out. This leaves installing external conduit as your only form of repair. The idea of running glass is a smart move as it doesn't suffer from corrosion, attenuation, and interference like twisted pair or coax would.

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  6. Re:Advantages of Authoritarianism by spinkham · · Score: 4, Informative

    We have authoritarianism, it just gets its power from corporate lobbing and campaign donations instead.

    NC started a few public fiber in some towns, so Time Warner lobbied and made broadband operating as any other public utility illegal, ignoring the protests of many local tech businesses and even the FCC.

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  7. Re:One question. by the_other_chewey · · Score: 4, Funny

    How hard is it to learn Chinese?

    Very.

  8. Small number? by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Describe "small?" There's something like 20 million homes in the U.S. with a fibre internet connection. Not anything near the penetration of copper cable modems, but also nothing to ignore.

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  9. Re:Too bad by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Governments are the most miserable owners of infrastructure -- except all others. I don't know of any case of a public infrastructure going over to private owners and then improving with better services, more complete coverage and lower prices. Even privatizing telecommunication infrastructures in Europa was no privatization of a public infrastructure, it was just allowing private companies to compete either on the shared infrastructure still owned by a company whose majority owner in turn was the government, or with their own infrastructure they had to built themselves.

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  10. Re:Advantages of Authoritarianism by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry. Manipulation of the government is not capitalism.

  11. The lesson is...? by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Informative

    If the point is to point out that a fascist totalitarian state can implement broad policies more efficiently, then that's not news; the Romans understood that since 249BC when they appointed Aulus Atilius Calatinus as dictator.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dictator

    But even the Romans understood that there were likely some unpleasant consequences to be found living in a totalitarian state. But hey, they probably had the best internet access times of anyone in the ancient world, right?

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  12. Meh. It's all relative. by zooblethorpe · · Score: 3, Informative

    How hard is it to learn Chinese?

    Very.

    Depends on what you mean by "learn Chinese". If you're only talking about the spoken language, then I'd argue -- from first-hand experience -- that Chinese will be easier in many respects than, say, Japanese or Korean. Just off the top of my head: Chinese is conceptually and grammatically quite similar to English: for simple utterances, like "I go to the store," the words parse almost as-is into Chinese as "I go to store" (only missing the article "the"), but translation into Japanese or Korean requires a major conceptual reworking into "store to go" (where articles are missing, prepositions are postpositions, verbs come at the end, and person is often implied by context). Chinese has no grammatical number or tense or person or gender, and verbs don't conjugate: and anyone, but anyone, who's struggled with "der/die/das", "está/estaba/estuvo", "touchez/touchons/touchent", "mouse/mice" and "goose/geese" but "moose/moose", will find Chinese incredibly easier in this regard.

    Reading the linked article, I really have to say the author comes off as a horrible whinger. Of the nine concrete examples he tries to explain:

    1. a full four are complaints about the writing system (these could all be reduced to one long-winded complaint, and all are irrelevant to the spoken language),
    2. one complains about romanization schemes (again irrelevant to the spoken language, and generally only a real challenge if you start trying to learn different dialects of Chinese, like Taiwanese and Cantonese in addition to Mandarin),
    3. one complains about tonality (at least the author has the sense to realize he's biased on this one),
    4. one complains about a lack of cognates (laughable -- may as well say the same thing about any non-Indo-European language),
    5. one complains about classical Chinese (ridiculously irrelevant -- may as well bitch about Beowulf),
    6. and one complains about different cultural contexts (again, you could say the same about most non-European languages...).

    Basically, he comes across as a whinging, unworldly boob.

    Even allowing for writing system issues, Japanese uses several thousand Chinese characters, with the added bonus that many of them have multiple, often quite different, readings, depending on the context. Imagine if the prefix "pre" was sometimes read as "fore" in some words, "pre" in others, and "front" in yet other words, but was always spelled the same. Chinese occasionally does that, but nowhere near as often, or as complicatedly, as Japanese.
    Fail.

    Japanese itself has at least three romanization schemes that I commonly run into: Hepburn, which most of us in the US will see and recognize as romaji (closest to "phonetic" spelling from an American English perspective); Kunrei, which the Japanese government uses on public signage in Japan to help foreigners (which has oddities like "zyo" for the sound spelled "jo" in Hepburn, and pronounced like the common given name "Joe"), and Yale, which was invented by academics for phonemic accuracy, but is horrid to try to read. So yeah, guess what? Languages not historically written in the Latin alphabet, and that have sounds not found in European languages, are a bitch to romanize. Have a look at the wild variations of Latin-alphabet spellings for Hebrew or Arabic words some day.
    Fail.

    Tonality? Even English has tonality, after a fashion. Try enunciating the difference between "record", the thing, and "record", the action, without changing your tone. Sure, Chinese has a lot more of it, and the truly tone-deaf must first learn to

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