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US Educational Scores Not So Abysmal

DavidHumus writes "The much-publicized international rankings of student test scores — PISA — rank the U.S. lower than it ought to be for two reasons: a sampling bias that includes a higher proportion of lower socio-economic classes from the U.S. than are in the general population and a higher proportion of of U.S. students than non-U.S. who are in the lower socio-economic classes. If one were to rank comparable classes between the U.S. and the rest of the world, U.S. scores would rise to 4th from 14th in reading (PDF) and to 10th from 25th in math."

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  1. Re:Wait, so then what? by mellon · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's complicated. We're better off than countries where members of lower socioeconomic classes don't go to school. But our overall scores are lower than countries with better economic equality, because so many more of our citizens are in lower socioeconomic classes.

  2. Re:Can we speak in clear terms? by Bigby · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, it is saying that the survey covered, for instance:

    US higher socioeconomic pupils: 30%
    US lower socioeconomic pupils: 70%

    X higher socioeconomic pupils: 50%
    X lower socioeconomic pupils: 50%

    Which is not a scientific poll unless that is the same proportion of pupils in each socioeconomic bracket.

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  4. Re:Wait, so then what? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, exactly. That's even shorter than my short version! :)

    Short but wrong, because both versions assume the problem is getting worse. Test scores are going up world-wide, and have been for decades. But they are going up even faster in America.

    White kids in America do as well as white kids in Europe. Black kids in America do as well as black kids in Europe. But America has more black kids (and poor hispanic kids too). This explains ALL of the difference in test scores. We need to do better, but we should not be looking to Europe as a model, because, for similar demographics, they do no better than we do.