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Mathematical Breakthrough Sets Out Rules For More Effective Teleportation

dsinc sends this news from the University of Cambridge: "For the last ten years, theoretical physicists have shown that the intense connections generated between particles as established in the quantum law of ‘entanglement’ may hold the key to eventual teleportation of information. Now, for the first time, researchers have worked out how entanglement could be 'recycled' to increase the efficiency of these connections. Published in the journal Physical Review Letters, the result could conceivably take us a step closer to sci-fi style teleportation in the future, although this research is purely theoretical in nature. ... Previous teleportation protocols have fallen into one of two camps, those that could only send scrambled information requiring correction by the receiver or, more recently, "port-based" teleportation that doesn't require a correction, but needs an impractical amount of entanglement – as each object sent would destroy the entangled state. Now, physicists from Cambridge, University College London, and the University of Gdansk have developed a protocol to provide an optimal solution in which the entangled state is 'recycled,' so that the gateway between particles holds for the teleportation of multiple objects. They have even devised a protocol in which multiple qubits can be teleported simultaneously, although the entangled state degrades proportionally to the amount of qubits sent in both cases."

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  1. "More effective teleportation"!?!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bit optimistic, aren't we?

    1. Re: "More effective teleportation"!?!?!?! by meadowsoft · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't you mean qubit optimistic?

    2. Re: "More effective teleportation"!?!?!?! by SpzToid · · Score: 5, Funny

      640 kbits should be enough for any body.

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    3. Re: "More effective teleportation"!?!?!?! by a_hanso · · Score: 5, Funny

      640 qubits may or may not be enough for anybody.

    4. Re: "More effective teleportation"!?!?!?! by davester666 · · Score: 2

      You can only get that rate if you happen to live at their central hub, next to the room that the NSA leases.

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  2. Where does extra energy go? by pclminion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Suppose I teleport an object from a height of 1000 feet to a height of 0 feet about sea level. There has been a loss of gravitational potential energy -- where does this energy end up? Conversely, if teleporting the object to a higher elevation, how is the gravitational PE imparted to the system?

    1. Re:Where does extra energy go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      As I understand the summary, this is dealing with quantum entanglement and the teleportation of information not matter...

      In star trek terms, think subspace radio, not transporter.

    2. Re:Where does extra energy go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The name "quantum teleportation" is a bit misleading: no particles, mass or energy is teleported. The only thing "teleported" is a quantum state.

      What's remarkable about quantum teleportation is that you can transfer an exact quantum state from one place to another without sending any particle with that state along the way. That's remarkable because quantum states can't, in general, be copied (see the "no-cloning theorem). When you perform a quantum teleportation, you must destroy the state of the originating particle during the teleportation process.

    3. Re:Where does extra energy go? by NeilJacklin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, the object does have _potential_ energy. I've wondered about OP's question before. I think the answer has to do with the fact that these "teleporters" don't transport matter in the conventional sense. Suppose you did have have a teleporter that could take an object and teleport it 100 ft up a hill. If you dropped the object, collected the potential energy (like in a waterwheel), and teleported it again, you shouldn't be able to violate conservation of energy or make a perpetual motion machine. So, I figure it's either A) impossible, or B) requires an energy input at _least_ equal to the change in potential energy. \\ Of course, I'm talking about gravitation potential energy, but that's just one field. There's also electromagnetic. Conversely, if it took more energy in than the net change in potential energy, where would that energy go? So I suppose the net energy input should be equal to the change in potential energy. \\ This also raises other issues, like if I teleport very far away, or two a more massive planet, I might need to input a lot of energy on this side. \\ A possible resolution to this problem is that the kind of teleportation here is just informational--that is changing one particle's state to match (or oppose) the one on the other side. Thus no mass (or charge) is transported anywhere, and everything is happy energy-wise.

    4. Re:Where does extra energy go? by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Informative

      Despite the authors attempt to make this sound like it has something to do with teleporting real world objects, it doesn't. Entanglement has to do with 2 particles sharing a state such as spin, and when that state changes in one entangled particle it also changes simultaneously regardless of distance or the speed of light in the other entangled particle. All of the laws of physics are observed. Information can not be passed faster than the speed of light. Matter can not move even at the speed of light, most of it no-where near the speed of light. You can not teleport an object from one place to another at all. There may be extended spacial dimensions that would allow us to do an end-run around distance, but keep in mind, if there are 4 or more spacial dimensions, we and all other matter already exist and are moving in those dimensions. There is very likely physical laws governing travel in them that would have the same effect that normal travel would. For example think if we were 2 dimensional creatures living on the surface of the earth and we suddenly discover the 3rd dimension and realize we could travel through the earth to reach china in half the time. While physically possible, there is that whole "Drilling through thousands of miles of solid rock" obstical that would make it a lot easier to just hop on a jet.

      Also, keep in mind that, to my knowledge and I just did a quick check and found nothing, humanity has never entangled anything other than photons/light. Which are technically both a wave and particle, but it's a hell of a long way off from entangling actual normal matter. Let me know when they entangle a Neutron and it'll be a big deal. Don't get me wrong, I think it's not beyond the laws of physics but we are very very very far away from true real world applications. The entanglement of photons can be explained via classical physics/optics, and doesn't need quantum theory to explain the effect. That doesn't mean it's not real, it just means you should take it with a grain of salt.

      This discovery makes experimentation easier. Teleporting yourself to work? Not so much.

    5. Re:Where does extra energy go? by pclminion · · Score: 5, Funny

      There is one more option, that conservation of energy is not necessarily enforced on quantum level.

      Another equally likely option is that at the quantum level everything is made of bacon.

    6. Re:Where does extra energy go? by NeilJacklin · · Score: 2

      Actually I'd say that this Bacon Hypothesis is _more_ likely than breaking the conservation of energy. That seems to be among the most fundamental laws of physics.

    7. Re:Where does extra energy go? by martin-boundary · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Potential energy "exists" inside the gravitational field: It represents the total amount of work you have to do to traverse a certain path while being subjected to the effects of the field. For a conservative field like the gravitational one, the amount of work is independent of the actual path when the end points are fixed, and that's the reason, the only reason, why we can associate a single number, called potential energy, with any given height above ground level.

      In other words, potential energy is a mathematical shortcut, it saves you from having to compute a work path integral for each problem involving a particle traversing some path in a conservative field. Potential energy is literally a table of precomputed answers. If you have a path from 1000 feet down to 0 feet, you can 1) compute the work over that path or 2) look up the answer from the potential energy table, by subtracting the values at 1000 and 0 respectively. This works because of the fundamental theorem of calculus.

      Now onto the question. If you teleport an object from 1000 feet to 0 feet, there is no traversal of the gravitational field by definition. Therefore there is no work being done against the field since there is no continuous path. Therefore there is no energy change experienced by the object since there is no physical work happening that involves it (disregarding whatever mechanism enables the teleportation in the first place).

      Thus: At 1000 feet, the object has zero kinetic energy, and has potential energy V(1000). At 0 feet, the object has zero kinetic energy, and has potential energy V(0).

      This does violate the conservation of (kinetic + potential energy), however that quantity is only a convenient approximation of the truth for non-teleportation cases, where the only way of arriving at 0 from 1000 feet is by traversing a continuous path. The truth is that (kinetic + work-over-path) is conserved, in this case, since the path is not continuous.

    8. Re:Where does extra energy go? by slew · · Score: 2

      I think you might be a bit confused about entanglement assisted teleporation. As I understand it, basically to do this you start with an entangled pair of qubits which you send to two disparate places. You also have two "bodies" consisting of many(!) corresponding particles one in each place. The thing you want to teleport is quantum *state* of one of the "bodies" of particles to the other body of particles in the other location using entanglement assisted teleportation.

      The act of entanglement assisted teleporation requires measurement of the joint state of the entangled qubit you have with the state of the particle you want to transmit. This measurement will destroy the original quantum state of the "master" copy (kinda like schrodinger's cat). The results of these measurements will be classically transmitted to the other place and used to modify the state of the entangled qubit so that the "slave" particle will have the original quantum state of the master.

      The trick is that when you do the joint measurement, you don't collapse everything with the measurment (you know the joint state of the qubit and the particle, but not them individually). By modifying the entangled qubit to match the classically transmitted measurement, you create a condition where the particle is influenced to replicate the original state of the master particle. Thus the original "master" body will be there, but the original quantum superposition state will not, but will be reproduced at the other location in the "slave" body meaning the slave becomes essentially the new master...

      This mathematical breakthrough apparently gives a framework on how to reuse that one entangled qubit (rather than require one for every particle whose state you want to teleport).

      You just can't clone a quantum state, though... See this discussion. Basically, this entanglement trick gets around this by destroying/collapsing the original (quantum/superposition) state avoiding your master/slave problem.

    9. Re:Where does extra energy go? by stuckinarut · · Score: 3, Informative

      Humanity has entangled stuff bigger than photons; The Biggest "Spooky" System Ever Seen: 4 Entangled Ions (Jun 2009) and Entangled diamonds , big enough for the eye to see (Dec 2011). We haven't managed the information transportation part with anything other than photons though but we're doing well on distance; quantum key transmitted wirelessly 144km.

    10. Re:Where does extra energy go? by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

      The Biggest "Spooky" System Ever Seen: 4 Entangled Ions (Jun 2009)

      Ok, that's Discover magazine. Never quote discover magazine. They're the foxnews of science. I don't trust a god damned thing they say. I tried looking up the experiment and I just keep seeing the word "Study"... So I'm thinking this was all on paper. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't trust it. Actually entangling IONs would be big news and I should find it all over the net.

      and Entangled diamonds , big enough for the eye to see (Dec 2011). We haven't managed the information transportation part with anything other than photons though but we're doing well on distance; quantum key transmitted wirelessly 144km.

      With both of these, see my post above. To me these are just parlor tricks with optics that maybe... or even are likely to be examples of Quantum teleportation. But they are not proof. It's neat that people are doing this, but it's not the "Real-deal" yet. It's kind of like that meteorite with the possible fossilized martian bacteria. Was there life on mars at one time? Most likely. Is the meteorite proof of that life? Maybe, maybe not... we need something better.

  3. Re:The idea of Teleportation by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is that you, Bones?

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  4. Re:as usual with a hard science post by Dahamma · · Score: 2

    This one is even better so far, half of the comments are retarded trying to be serious.

  5. Re:Teleportation and special theory of relativity? by Tanuki64 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Instant teleportation of information according to STR violates causality. Is this a really serious science?

    For now it is math. Whether it is really relevant for real world physics is a totally different question.

  6. Re:The idea of Teleportation by celle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "LOL but on Slash, sci-fi is real. Space elevators, warp drives, Mars colonies and the hundreds of attendant magical technologies and fantasy materials are just a question of, like, how hard we really want them to happen."

          And remember Dick Tracy's video wristwatch was described in the 1930s when radio and telephone was less than 50 years old. We have it now and in other forms such as cell phones and tablets less than 75 years later. Slashdot is visited by people in research and science fiction, who knows what could be in the next 100 years if we put the "old nose to the grindstone".

  7. Simple math ... by danwiz · · Score: 2

    IF countBeingsInChamber > 1 THEN GOTO abort_transfer

    1. Re:Simple math ... by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Jeff Goldblum says "Thanks, Captain Hindsight!"

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  8. Re:Teleportation and special theory of relativity? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

    This is really serious science. And it doesn't allow to transmit information faster than light. You still need to send classical information to the other side. It's just that instead of correcting the state, the information tells the other side which of the many qubits is in the right state.

    As a simple (but not completely accurate) analogy, imagine you've generated a one-time pad, which is shared by Alice and Bob. This shared one-time pad represents the entangled state.

    The original teleportation scheme can then be roughly compared to the normal operation of the one-time pad: Alice encrypts her bit and sends the encrypted bit to Bob. Now Bob has to explicitly decrypt the bit.

    The port based teleportation scheme allows Bob to not do any calculation, by Alice just telling Bob which of the bits in his copy of the one-time pad already agrees with the bit she wanted to send. However the old scheme had the disadvantage that it destroyed the complete OTP for sending the single bit.

    This is a scheme which allows to reuse the same OTP (minus the already-used bits) to transmit further bits.

    The point where the analogy fails is that the original data to transmitted are qubits, while the encrypted data sent consists of classical bits. Which is the reason that teleportation is actually interesting because you cannot simply convert an unknown quantum state into classical information; indeed the fact that quantum teleportation works is intimately linked to the fact that the state is "encrypted", that is, the classical bits alone don't tell you anything at all about the teleported quantum state, just like with an OTP the encrypted message alone don't tell you anything about the cleartext bits.

    Also note that the "recycling" of entanglement doesn't mean that you end up with the same amount of entanglement as you started with. You just don't use up an excessive amount of it (in the OTP picture: You don't consume an entire large OTP to just send one bit; however your usable OTP still shrinks with each bit sent).

    And of course it has to be stressed that, unlike the summary suggests, quantum teleportation is something completely different from Sci-Fi teleportation.

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