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JSTOR an Entitlement For US DoJ's Ortiz & Holder

theodp writes "If Aaron Swartz downloaded JSTOR documents without paying for them, it would presumably be considered a crime by the USDOJ. But if U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz or U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder did the same? Rather than a crime, it would be considered their entitlement, a perk of an elite education that's paid for by their alma maters. Ironically and sadly, that's the kind of inequity Aaron railed against with the Guerilla Open Access Manifesto, a document the DOJ cited as evidence (pdf) that Swartz was a menace to society. On Thursday, Ortiz insisted Swartz — who she now characterizes as 'mentally ill' — received fair and reasonable treatment from the DOJ. But that wasn't good enough for Senator John Cornyn, who on Friday asked Eric Holder to explain the DOJ prosecution of Aaron Swartz." Federal prosecutors have come under heavy criticism for their handling of the Swartz case. Legal scholar Orin Kerr provides counterpoint with two detailed, well-reasoned posts about the case. Kerr says that, as the law stands, the charges against Swartz were "pretty much legit," and that the law itself should be the target of the internet community's angst, rather than the prosecutors. "...blame the system and aim to reform the system; don’t think that this was just two or three prosecutors that were doing something unusual. It wasn’t." James Boyle, co-founder of the Center for the Study of the Public Domain, disagrees with Kerr (partly), arguing that Swartz's renown is simply drawing people together to collectively shine a light on poor legislation and poor prosecutorial practices.

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  1. The law is a ass. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While he may have had issues, it's dangerous to characterize different opinions as mentally ill.

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    1. Re:The law is a ass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While he may have had issues, it's dangerous to characterize different opinions as mentally ill.

      Yeah but we live in McCarthy-era, can't you tell? Well, it's a novelty really. It used to be communists, then it was minorities, then pedophiles, then terrorists, then computer hackers. Now it's the "mentally ill".

      See how that works? Label, then persecute. I can't wait to see how events unfold in New York based on their new unconstitutional and persecuting gun laws.

      They're coming for your guns, what are you going to do when they label you "mentally ill"?

    2. Re:The law is a ass. by davydagger · · Score: 2

      its been going on for years, and it needs to stop.

      Everytime "treating mentally ill", gets brought up in the news, its always been a highlight after some tragedy, with the implications the treatment was non-consentual, with zero burdern of proof, and no restrictions on treatments, nor any sort of legal, or public oversight.

      Its been well known for a long time that if you can label someone "mentally ill", without really specifying, or rapidly chaning diagnosis, you can get most of mainstream society to stop asking questions about their care or how they are treated.

    3. Re:The law is a ass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      it's dangerous to characterize different opinions as mentally ill.

      This is very true, but anyone who takes their own life is going to be tainted by the possibility of being "mentally ill" because suicide isn't commonly accepted as the act of a "well" individual.

    4. Re:The law is a ass. by davydagger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "They're coming for your guns, what are you going to do when they label you "mentally ill"?"

      with no chance for a second opinion, no appeals, no lawyers, no burder of proof on anything.

    5. Re:The law is a ass. by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's nothing more than cultural bias.

      Plus there's always context. This wasn't just some teenager worried about not being asked to the prom. This was a kid that was facing having is entire life destroyed apart by the government.

      That kind of situation is quite often NOT portrayed as a sign of mental illness when the result is suicide. (even in the West)

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    6. Re:The law is a ass. by jc42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ... what are you going to do when they label you "mentally ill"?

      And we might note how easy it can be to get such a label. One of last year's minor science/medical news stories that was picked up by some reporters, and also by a number of comedians, was a change made by the American Psychological Association (APA) to their definition of "depression". The fun part of this story was the previous definition, which included the case of a loved one dying, and a survivor's mourning continuing for more than a month. This was all it took to get a diagnosis of depression, and a "mentally ill" label. The time period has now been extended somewhat, but that won't affect the medical records from previous years.

      So if someone close to you dies, you might want to be careful to hide signs of sadness when talking to medical people (or strangers ;-), lest you end up on the list of people determined to be mentally ill by a professional psychiatrist.

      It really is that easy to get "mentally ill" on your medical record, to be used against you in cases like this.

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    7. Re:The law is a ass. by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "They're coming for your guns, what are you going to do when they label you "mentally ill"?"

      Its things like this that makes me think that the NRA is a huge hypocrite when it comes to the second amendment. I was listening to the NRA's president on NPR last week and he was adamant that mentally disturbed people should be allowed to have guns, and that all law abiding citizens should be allowed to have them. Aside from the fact that mentally disturbed people can be law abiding I see nothing in

      A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

      Where it says ".. except if they are mentally ill, or felons". In my opinion the position of the NRA is akin to the old joke with the punchline

      now we are just haggling over the price

      and that they are already supporting abridgment of the second amendment - just only one that suits their selfish beliefs.

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    8. Re:The law is a ass. by celle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

            It makes all gun control law illegal, period. I know, how about repealing the 2nd amendment. You know the only legal way instead of the illegal way of marginalizing it to irrelevance. Oh right because it wouldn't happen and a civil war would spring up the next day if it did. So disarm the population any way you can so they are not a threat to government abuses. Government cannot be trusted ever, even the framers of the constitution knew this.
              Here's a remedy from before the 1980's. How about treating people with physical and mental problems by treating the actual cause of the problem instead of the symptoms? Right, because that would cost time and money. Never mind it took time and the lack of money to make the problem this bad in the first place.
              Now how about getting On Topic.

    9. Re:The law is a ass. by flyingsquid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's nothing more than cultural bias.

      Plus there's always context. This wasn't just some teenager worried about not being asked to the prom. This was a kid that was facing having is entire life destroyed apart by the government.

      That kind of situation is quite often NOT portrayed as a sign of mental illness when the result is suicide. (even in the West)

      The plea deal offered by the government was six months in jail and a felony conviction. Yes, the punishment is out of all proportion to the crime. It's wrong. It's a bullshit deal. It's six months more than anyone on Wall Street served after they blew up the banking system and destroyed the world's economy. But most people, faced with the choice of being unjustly convicted and losing six months of your life, and losing the entire rest of your life, will take six months. It wasn't the end of everything. After six months for trying to liberate the entire contents of JSTOR, he would have come out of prison a martyr and a hero. Serving time for an idealistic, altruistic act like that would have given him a credibility that no other activist had. He would have had the rest of his life to use his notoriety to push for internet freedom.

      But that's the kind of optimistic, lemons-into-lemonade kind of thinking you just can't manage when you're severely depressed.

    10. Re:The law is a ass. by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's ridiculous. No right is absolute. Congress shall make no law.... except of course slander etc are illegal. The guarantee of free exercise of religion does not permit you to harvest whores off the street and stone them according to the requirements of various religions.

      I am sure the founding fathers would recognize that public safety does in fact place restraints on gun ownership as well.

    11. Re:The law is a ass. by slick7 · · Score: 2

      "They're coming for your guns,.

      That's easy to correct, have Holder sell you guns all the while you claim to be a Mexican drug cartel dealer. It worked in Mexico and it worked in Oklahoma City.

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    12. Re:The law is a ass. by Tagged_84 · · Score: 2

      The real issue is that people see "mentally ill" as negative and you're post clearly implies that too. I'm "mentally ill" having had bipolar since my early teens and being treated multiple times for suicidal attempts. I proudly talk about my depression if someone asks or the subject comes up, it's the only way to fight the stigma and get people talking more about it.

      I guess in Australia it's not view as badly (wow, never thought I'd say that) as the states?

  2. In addition.... by RatPh!nk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First let me say that my area of research is medicine. There is a lot of tax payer funded research that is inaccessible to the public despite their hand in its creation. I think that this aspect needs to be discussed, as well.

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    1. Re:In addition.... by Sir+Homer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is a lot of tax payer funded research that is inaccessible to the public despite their hand in its creation. I think that this aspect needs to be discussed, as well.

      I don't even see anything to discuss. Seriously, how the hell is this acceptable?

      And Swartz's super serious multi-felony crime was trying to fix this situation? Every time I look back at this case, it befuddles me. The only insane people here are the prosecution, and they need to be called out on it and punished along with everyone involved in this travesty of justice.

    2. Re:In addition.... by davydagger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is plenty to discuss, Tax payers dollars are used to fund research, which the tax payers have no access. What is doing in the "public good", is kept from the public.

      Then comes your "appeal to authority". Because something is currently illegal, its automaticly above debate in MORAL standing. The argument here, is SHOULD what swartz did have been a felony under law. Thats what is up for debate. I am reading a book called "they though they where free", its about german non-resistance to nazi rule. In Germany, conformity and social acceptance carried a higher responsiblity than avoiding terrible authoriarian politics.

      We'vve spent the last 30 years trying to smash our own culture of independence and free thinking, critical for protecting ourselves against things like this by ensuring there is always someone to stick up to unjust authority.

    3. Re:In addition.... by Greyfox · · Score: 2
      This is what you get when corporations and special interests are the ones writing the laws. Congress knows by now that they just need to wave their hands and make a show of caring until the outrage blows over and then they can go back to business as usual. They only have to worry about getting elected every few years, and by then most people will have forgotten about this. Hell, if you asked any handful of random people about it now, I'm pretty sure most of them wouldn't know what you're talking about. Educational institutions have their own special brand of corruption. I'd be surprised if anyone was even formally reprimanded for this, much less lost their job over it.

      Ultimately this is how the system works. The system was built by corporations and a few very loud somewhat small special interest groups. The system is not there to protect the little guy or let them go about their lives with a minimum of intrusion. It was built to suck the life out of the worker drones before tossing them aside. Anything that interferes with the profitability of this process will be dealt with harshly. And while we see this as a tragedy and an illustration of how broken the system is, I'm sure that some executive in a boardroom somewhere is rubbing his hands and thinking how unlikely it is that anyone will attempt this sort of sharing again in the future.

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    4. Re:In addition.... by rsmith-mac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't even see anything to discuss. Seriously, how the hell is this acceptable?

      Ultimately it comes down to money (and I don't mean that in a snide conspiracy way). It costs a fair bit of money to create and operate a system as expansive as JSTOR, not to mention the high cost of acquiring the journals themselves. Academia never completely got its act together, so the final solution was for a private entity to operate it, the non-profit Andrew W. Mellon Foundation. Since then they've been rolled into the equally non-profit ITHAKA, which operates JSTOR to this day.

      It should come as no surprise of course that even as a non-profit, JSTOR has to charge for access to journals for two reasons. First, they need to provide access control as per any content licensing agreements with journal publishers - most of whom are non-profits themselves and need to pull in enough revenue to publish their journals - as otherwise everyone would read JSTOR for free and not purchase journal subscriptions (and since JSTOR would not be bringing in any revenue, they could not pay the journals either). Second of course is that operating the JSTOR system costs money, and if journals could be freely copied out, everyone would take the good stuff (and admittedly probably take good care of it) but then cancel their JSTOR subscriptions. This would leave behind a number of smaller journals that are suddenly not getting digitized and archived. The whole academic journal system is one big case study in the tragedy of the commons: everyone wants it for free, but no one wants to pay to operate the journals or the storage systems.

      Consequently, whether journal access is free or not is really up to Congress, as only government can solve the tragedy of the commons. If Congress were to task the LoC with creating an equivalent system and funded that mandate (i.e. made everyone pay for it) then an open system could be built or JSTOR acquired. Congress already provides a bit of funding for JSTOR in a roundabout way, as ITHAKA has received some small grants from various government departments over the years, including the Library of Congress. So this pretty much comes down to Congress increasing their funding for these projects.

      Until then however, JSTOR will remain behind a paywall. Someone has to pay the costs of the journals and the systems, and if it isn't the public then it will be a private system.

      TL;DR: JSTOR would be free if Congress would pay for it rather than leaving this up to private industry

    5. Re:In addition.... by blueg3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't even see anything to discuss. Seriously, how the hell is this acceptable?

      It basically works like this. Back in the day, there were no real open-access journals. (This was when things were actually printed and distributed, and the whole process was much less efficient.) So pay journals built up all of the good reputation. People paid to do research are expected to share their findings with the research community. Sharing with the public is nice, but it's not a key component of the research process. So now all the paid journals have the best reputations, the most visibility, the highest readership. So publishing in those is "better" than publishing elsewhere. As such, your funding agencies think that you're doing your job "better" if you're publishing in these journals, which happen to be paid. (The fact that their paid has nothing to do with it -- it's solely that higher-reputation journals are better.)

      This all changes if your funding agency requires that you publish your paper in an open-access journal, which the NIH has started doing. (It does some other interesting things, too. It increases the reputation of the open-access journals, which helps, in the long term, make open-access journals a good choice for people whose funding agencies don't require this. Also, if the funding agency is big enough, it starts making the high-profile paid journals back down on their stance on exclusivity, which enables researchers to publish in both an open-access location and a paid, refereed, high-profile journal.)

  3. Precedent by sesshomaru · · Score: 5, Funny

    "On Thursday, Ortiz insisted Swartz â" who she now characterizes as 'mentally ill' â" "

    Yeah, they used to say that about dissidents in the Soviet Union, too.

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    1. Re:Precedent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Quite true, and quite extensive.

      Political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union

    2. Re:Precedent by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      "On Thursday, Ortiz insisted Swartz -- who she now characterizes as 'mentally ill' --"

      So how long has she been investigating him . . . ? And now his 'mentally ill' issue comes up . . . ?

      Sorry, I don't buy that. That boy was investigated so thoroughly, she knew where every pimple on his ass was. She is trying to toss him into the 'mentally ill` tank with the current catch of shooters, hoping that 'mentally ill' now tags someone as a criminal, in the public eye.

      She is just trying to save her political career. She had her eyes on Senator or Governor of Massachusetts.

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  4. Blame Both by jythie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While true that, in theory, prosecutors are just enforcing the law, they have significant discretion when it comes to things like even bringing any charges in the first place. As any victim of petty crime and they will usually have a tale of how the police or prosecutor just didn't bother doing anything even though the law said crime was committed.

    1. Re:Blame Both by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes. THAT.

      If you had your life savings swindled from you, you would see just how quickly these prosecutors would be willing to ignore the perpetrators. The feds and their state equivalents will likely just blame you for being the victim and just ignore you and the crime you just reported.

      "But they are just enforcing the law" rings hollow when you have been on the other side of the scales and have been ignored.

      Justice is a sham and these people are just "career minded opportunists".

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  5. Perk of an elite education by rwade · · Score: 2

    Rather than a crime, it would be considered their entitlement, a perk of an elite education that's paid for by their alma maters.

    The list that is linked to does not include Stanford...but that is where Swartz started college. The suggestion that he did not have access to an elite education is rediculous under the circumstances. So not only is the premise of the idea that people as alums of certain schools would not be prosecuted for pulling every journal off JSTOR and putting it out on the web laughable but the particulars not really compelling. Stanford is a pretty good school.

    1. Re:Perk of an elite education by alostpacket · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed, this is hate mongering. JSTOR dropped the charges and is putting out an olive branch (granted it's a tiny one). Now if this were about pushing publicly funded articles and papers to the Library of Congress or otherwise opening that up to the public, then that is a discussion worth having. Trying to paint the prosecutors as part of a privileged "elite" evil is unproductive. The issue is getting the public access to public information, not the perceived hypocrisy of who currently has access.

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  6. ... for which they paid heavily by jfengel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't understand the point of this article. Holder and Ortiz (or somebody, if they were on scholarship) paid for those college educations. If one of the perks of that payment is lifetime journal access, what on earth does it have to do with this case?

    If this was an overzealous prosecution, then it should be investigated, and possibly procedures changed to prevent it in the future. And I certainly agree that journal access has become utterly disproportionate.

    But most of what I read about this case is a rush to judgment that makes no more sense than the prosecution is being accused of. And articles like this bolster that impression, jumping to conclusions and engaging in character assassination because we liked one guy and therefore hate the other guys.

    Things need to be fixed, but that's best achieved with clarity, not more obfuscation.

    1. Re:... for which they paid heavily by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The fact that the fruits of scientific research are available only to people who "paid heavily" is precisely the objection.

    2. Re:... for which they paid heavily by theNAM666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Moreover, if either Holder or Ortiz had hacked systems and exceeded their authorized access as Swatz did, playing a cat&mouse game with sysadmins at their home institutions and JSTOR, they'd have likely faced the same consequences as Aaron. The article is FUD.

    3. Re:... for which they paid heavily by alostpacket · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is it? Or is this article an attempt to paint and shame the prosecutors as privileged? I suspect it's the latter.

      JSTOR is a not-for-profit and dropped the charges against him. They offer some articles to individuals for free, and now have opened more articles via the Alumni Access program. What they do isn't evil. Rather, they could do more, provide more access. So why are we sitting debating about what access the prosecutors had to JSTOR? It's irrelevant to the larger conversation.

      The discussion we should be having:

      1) Should all scientific studies be public domain?

      2) If so, how should access be provided? Who pays to maintain upkeep?

      3) Should all publicly funded science be made public? (probably and obvious yes here)

      4) If so, how should access be provided? Who pays to maintain upkeep?

      I'd like to think Scwartz's goal was bigger than these small-minded, egotistical prosecutors. Lets talk about how we can open up the data, not how to engage in a witch hunt. Prosecutorial overreach, to me, is a separate conversation.

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    4. Re:... for which they paid heavily by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The meme that the public does not have access to this stuff is just wrong.

      There are large public libraries that offer public access to JSTOR. For example the Boston Public Library.

      JSTORs fees are graduated based on the size of the library, so even a small library can afford access.

      Many universities offer library cards to the public; for example my employer paid for my Princeton University Library card for about 10 years. Not cheap but in fact it gave me access to pretty much the sum total of all human knowledge. And maintaining a collection like that is clearly not free.

    5. Re:... for which they paid heavily by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      I'd like to think Scwartz's goal was bigger than these small-minded, egotistical prosecutors. Lets talk about how we can open up the data, not how to engage in a witch hunt. Prosecutorial overreach, to me, is a separate conversation.

      I agree we should talk about something bigger than specific people, but Swartz was extremely interested in injustice in addition to information freedom, so I don't see it as an either-or. We can talk about how to open data, and we can also talk about how to reform the American criminal-justice system. After all, the latter led more directly to his death.

    6. Re:... for which they paid heavily by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      A Princeton university access library card costs $275/year.

      The Boston Public Library has JSTOR.

      I don't think this is having to "pay heavily".

    7. Re:... for which they paid heavily by nbauman · · Score: 2

      I visited the Boston Public Library once to catch up on my journals. Nice place.

      In New York City, there is basically no public access to basic scientific and medical journals. A few years ago, I couldn't find a public library with the New England Journal of Medicine, so I subscribed myself. That's a pretty basic journal. Last time I looked, there was one public library with the NEJM in the entire borough of Manhattan. And they only subscribed to the paper edition, because the online edition (which has lots of essential information not found in the paper edition) is too expensive. They didn't have BMJ at all.

      There is also no public access to most legal documents, which Aaron Swartz tried to address in another one of his exploits. These are documents that are created by government, that are in public domain.

      One of the tangental problems is that this country has shrunk government services and we no longer have free libraries the way we used to. Or free education.

  7. Let's nip this FUD in the bud by theNAM666 · · Score: 2

    Volokh analysis of what Swatz actually did, with detailed history:

    http://www.volokh.com/2013/01/14/aaron-swartz-charges/

    I assure you, an MIT enrollee or grad would have gotten the same treatment.

    1. Re:Let's nip this FUD in the bud by theNAM666 · · Score: 2

      My point is that the post claims that Swartz did not have the same access as Holder and Ortiz, when in fact, as a Stanford alum and a visiting scholar at Harvard, he had pretty much the same access. I did not endorse Justice's action. I am pointing out that the article is based on a factual misrepresentation, which is evidently intentional, given that Stanford has been removed from its list of JSTOR institutions.

      FWIW, I tried the same thing Aaron did while at Berkeley, and had the sense to stop when I realized there were limits in place.

  8. Not interested in excuses by rastoboy29 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Prosecutors have been running rampant all over the country for years now for their personal aggrandizement.  This time they just chose a very public and sympathetic target.

    Hang 'em all.

  9. 35-50 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the second Kerr link:

    Why are you hearing that Swartz faced 35 or 50 years if it was not true? First, government press releases like to trumpet the maximum theoretical numbers. Authors of the press releases will just count up the crimes and the add up the theoretical maximum punishments while largely or completely ignoring the reality of the likely much lower sentence. The practice is generally justified by its possible general deterrent value: perhaps word of the high punishment faced in theory will get to others who might commit the crime and will scare them away. And unfortunately, uninformed reporters who are new to the crime beat sometimes pick up that number and report it as truth. A lot of people repeat it, as they figure it must be right if it was in the news. And some people who know better but want you to have a particular view of the case repeat it, too. But don’t be fooled. Actual sentences are usually way way off of the cumulative maximum punishments.

    So if it serves as a deterrent we should be fooled, but if it applies to ourselves we shouldn't be? Personally I would be scared shitless if I saw the DOJ itself make statements like that about me. Just be truthful. The US already is highly punitive [pdf, see page 11-12] compared to other western countries (27 times as high as where I live). If that by itself doesn't work as a deterrent then exaggerations probably won't do much either, apart from increasing the likelihood of people killing themselves.

    If bullying is part of the system, then yes, the system should be targeted. But not just by outsiders, the prosecuters themselves should have opposed the system instead of participating in the bullying. And as they did participate they should be targeted as part of the system.

  10. Carmen Ortiz, Psychologist? by Alien+Being · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I guess she should know a thing or two about mental illness since she is, herself, a sociopath.

  11. A bit disingenuous by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a bit disingenuous to drive someone to suicide and then claim that the fact that they did so means they were mentally ill. It's kind of like throwing someone in the East River wearing concrete shoes and blaming them for being unable to swim.

    1. Re:A bit disingenuous by guspasho · · Score: 2

      I've been reading through here and waiting for someone to make this point. So Ortiz thought Swartz was mentally ill. Doesn't that make Ortiz even more culpable for his death through her actions?

  12. Oritz "terribly upset" (about her career) by boorack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Carmen Oritz routinely destroys other people lives in order to advance her career without any signs of conscience. For me this is psychopatic behavior. And if her career is the only thing she actually cares of, I'd even call her narcissistic psychopath. Unfortunately, the economic and political system in US promotes psychopaths at the cost of basically everyone else.

    I wouldn't pay much attention to what she has to say, she just covers her ass. Psychopaths typically don't show any remorse for their actions - when caught on misbehaviors and lies, they tend to cover it with even bigger bunch of lies.

    1. Re:Oritz "terribly upset" (about her career) by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes. Because we all know that everyone is presumed guilty and everyone that is ever noticed by the state deserves to be destroyed.

      There is some irony that this is playing out in Boston.

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    2. Re:Oritz "terribly upset" (about her career) by skywire · · Score: 2

      The formal features you cite are not of themselves sufficient. Only if they are comprised of and used by individuals with a sense of proportion and fairness will there be justice. That's what this story is about.

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    3. Re:Oritz "terribly upset" (about her career) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How fucking insightful for you to describe the status quo of legal recourse available to the accused. Particularly in a discussion about the status quo of "due process" being inexcusably distinct from anything that resembles justice.

      Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the "reality", where stereotyping disadvantaged minorities is obscured and dressed up as a scientific process using "criminal justice education" to rationalize cognitive biases & prejudice. The "reality" where law enforcement officers regularly collude with each other in manufacturing evidence, covering for each other's unprofessional behavior, and suppressing exculpatory facts.

      The "reality" where the role of prosecutor is represented almost exclusively by lawyers with political ambitions, more concerned with making a name for themselves as being "tough on crime" than on ensuring that the outcome of the process is just. The "reality" where prosecutor's office's have a back log of drug offenders that undermine their ability to give any single case their full attention, and as a result they simply sandbag every defendant during the grand jury arraignment with as big of a laundry list of charges as they think they can get away with, without being accused of prosecutorial misconduct. The "reality" where any rational defendant has by this point been completely disillusioned with any impression they had about receiving a fair trial, and is now faced with the prospect of taking a plea bargain for 1/10 of what they are threatened with, or facing down against a gang of lying sociopaths in uniform on the witness stand corroborating each other's stories.
      http://youtu.be/O5eOknaXgYU
      http://www.stopresisting.net/

      The "reality" where "evidence" is rarely ever critically evaluated by anyone other than the prosecutor & public defender when negotiating a plea bargain deal. The same "evidence" which is usually more representative of law enforcement confirmation bias than of innocence or guilt. The same "evidence" which is usually based on un-sound assumptions and dubious conclusions. The same "evidence" which is frequently composed of "expert witnesses" of dubious credibility, and eye witnesses, the memory of whom is known to be unreliable and easily discredited?

      http://www.ncids.com/forensic/fingerprints/fingerprints.shtml
      http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/westview/Hair-and-fibre-evidence-further-discredited-in-the-US--162726896.html
      http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/watchdog/chi-010114roscetti,0,5511992.story
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_bullet-lead_analysis
      http://www.propublica.org/article/no-forensic-background-no-problem
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials

      The "reality" where where a "judge" is only involved in a small minority of cases except to rubber stamp a plea bargain and preemptively close the door on appeals by getting the accused to repeat the magic words & nod their heads? The "reality" where a "jury" is almost never involved at all, and is only allowed to be seated after being purged of critical thinkers. The "reality" where a jury trial is a popularity contest which allows for wealthy criminals to walk, and poor looking defendants to be used as punching bags for the jurors only frustration with Law Enforcement disfunction?

      The "reality" where the "defense" available to the rich can intimidate a prosecutor's office in to a slap on the wrist, while the public defenders available to the poor provide the same quality of legal services as HMO's provide medical service?

      "Accused" might as well be a synonym for "poor and fallen out of favor with the local political machine". The "law" has become nothing more than a crack in the foundation of "unalienable rights" which has been progressively wedged and split open by the war on drugs and war on terror, leaving nothing behind except a base and contemptible political power structure.

      That's the "reality" but don't let that get in the way of your pithy sarcasm.

    4. Re:Oritz "terribly upset" (about her career) by celle · · Score: 2

      "For me this is psychopatic behavior."

            Doesn't that classify her as mentally ill. Time to lock her up, preferably with the people she put in.

    5. Re:Oritz "terribly upset" (about her career) by anagama · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's a great article. I was particularly surprised to learn about the civil forfeiture procedure:

      In 2009, the 69-year-old owner, Russ Caswell, received a letter from the DOJ indicating the government was pursuing a civil forfeiture case against him with the intention of seizing his family's motel - it was built in 1955 by Russ's father - and the surrounding property. Ms. Ortiz's office asserted that the motel had been the site of multiple crimes by its occupants over the years: 15 low-level drug offenses between 1994 and 2008 (out of an estimated 125,000 room rentals). Of those who stayed in the motel from 2001 to 2008, 0.05% were arrested for drug crimes on the property.
      ***
      Mr. Caswell's family-owned and -operated property was worth approximately $1.5 million with no mortgage - making it a perfect target. Without a bank involved, the likelihood of the Caswells' mounting a drawn-out legal defense was miniscule. Through a spokeswoman, Ms. Ortiz's office released a statement at the time of trial on why they were choosing to pursue Mr. Caswell:

      "The government believed that this was an important caseâ¦because of the deterrent message it sends to others who may turn a blind eye to crime occurring at their place of business."

      Mr. Salzman doesn't buy the message of deterrence. He asserts that just up the street, a Motel 6, Walmart and Home Depot all operate with similarâ"in many cases higherâ"rates of drug crimes on their properties, referencing numbers obtained from the Tewksbury Police Department.
      ***
      But those corporations have extensive financial and legal resources, and would put up much more of a fight than a small business owned and operated by a single family. Before a public interest law firm took on his case, Mr. Caswell had already spent over $100,000 and was near bankruptcy.

      http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/01/17/carmen-ortizs-sordid-rap-sheet/

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    6. Re:Oritz "terribly upset" (about her career) by anagama · · Score: 2

      That doesn't explain why WalMart, Home Depot, and Motel6 -- all of which have MORE crime than Caswell's property -- get no scrutiny. It comes down to the fact that the Feds will share the money they steal with the local government and that the aforementioned mega-corps have the resources to fight off the Feds.

      So, a local government with some prejudice toward Caswell and the poor people he rents to, can basically hire the Feds to steal his property while ignoring bigger issues that go on with other "respectable" businesses.

      That makes me even more cynical, not less. Welcome to fascism from the local government to the top. Favored corps get special treatment and everyone else gets fucked.

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  13. Of course, so many from Wall St have gone to jail by rbmyers · · Score: 2

    What baloney. Prosecutors make decisions about whom to go after and for what all the time. The law is the law is just total BS.

    I will repeat, so I can be labeled as flamebait again, that the real culprit here is Mr. Unequal Justice himself, the POTUS and his slimy DoJ, of which the Boston prosecutors are just cogs in a smoke manufacturing machine.

  14. JSTOR by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am an alumnus of one to the members of the JSTOR alumni program (Yale).

    This article is VERY misleading.

    JSTOR is a non-profit company founded by an ex-president of Princeton University aimed at reducing costs associated with maintaining large archives of journals at universities.

    The alumni access to JSTOR described was part of a PILOT PROGRAM. This has been extended to all institutions that participate in JSTOR.

    In addition JSTOR had nothing to do with the criminal charges brought against Aaron Shwartz. JSTOR asked that no charges be brought.

    This was solely the result of actions taken by MIT and the DOJ.

    JSTOR in fact is very inclusive. They have programs that provide access to secondary schools, public libraries and so forth.

    http://about.jstor.org/fees/13006#tab-fees

    Also JSTOR hosts significant public domain content that is available free to anyone.

  15. Prosecutorial Discretion by tukang · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What a bunch of crap. The system allowed for Mrs. Ortiz to not Charge Aaron at all if she so chose. Certainly, she didn't have to charge him with a dozen of felonies. http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/18/aaron-swartz-and-prosecutorial-discretion/

  16. Following Orders by RichMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It's not my fault, I was just following orders."

    I thought as a society we had long ago decided that was not an excuse. I thought all lawyers on whatever side were agents of the judicial system and were looking for justice.

    It seems our society has forgotten something. If you are doing wrong you are responsible, no matter the chain of command, it is an individuals responsibility to not do wrong and to reject a bad system. This should go doubly so for any agents of the justice system.

    Shame on the system. Shame on the individual.

  17. next steps? Sue Ortiz, JSTOR, and MIT. by bzipitidoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What should happen next?

    • Fire Carmen Ortiz, Steve Heymann, and perhaps Scott Garland.
    • Disbar and bring charges against Ortiz and Heymann for Attorney Misconduct. Also hit them with Involuntary Manslaughter.
    • Sue JSTOR for violations of FOIA requests. Sue them for theft, and perhaps racketeering. Also sue them under the anti trust laws for price fixing.
    • Sue MIT as well, for contributory negligence.
    • Change the terminology. There should be no language anywhere in the laws that equate copying with theft. This crime of "data theft" should be called "data copying".
    • Change the deals, and the laws. No private publisher should have any legal grounds for locking away research paid for by the public.

    If any of this seems over the top, consider how over the top the accusations and threats against Swartz were.

    I'm wondering about Senator Cornyn. Could he actually be in support greater intellectual freedom? It seems 99% of politicians and judges are crusty old fools who blindly swallow publisher propaganda, and their knee jerk reaction to any alleged copyright violation is to believe the accusers and join the pack screaming that it's "theft" and howling for the blood of the accused. A demonstration of this is Ortiz's profound words of wisdom: "Stealing is stealing". But perhaps Cornyn, who sponsored PIPA, is having a change of heart?

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  18. Can't have it both ways. by Dereck1701 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    " Kerr says that, as the law stands, the charges against Swartz were "pretty much legit," and that the law itself should be the target of the internet community's angst,"

    No, BOTH should be the target of the "internet community's angst" and societies in general. One can't happen without the other, prosecutors continually demand more harsh and less restrictive laws "to catch the bad people". And when it is proven beyond all doubt that they targeted the wrong people with their near unlimited "proprietorial discretion" they demand complete indemnification from criminal/civil responsibility because prosecution of the "bad guys" would be imperiled if they had to worry about their freedom & livelihood. They can't have it both ways, at least not in a free & just society. They can either have extensive powers with severe penalties if they mess up, or they can have very limited powers with limited liability. To do otherwise breeds nothing but corruption & imprisonment of the innocent.

  19. Google could get this law changed by whoever57 · · Score: 2

    If Google put into their website terms that anyone in law enforcement or a member of congress was not allowed to use Google's services, how long would it be before breaking a site's terms was no longer a criminal act?

    Actually, even if Google does not do this, how about a grassroots campaign to do it?

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  20. I'm surprised Cornyl doesn't autoignite by paiute · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cornyn should shut his fat hypocritic yap. It's his kind that wants to make IP abuse a criminal matter where it should be civil. He's in the crowd who would make violation of TOSs a federal crime. Now he is crying crocodile tears that the Justice Department applied laws he rabidly supported?

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  21. Outstanding blog posting, Soulskill by sgt_doom · · Score: 2

    ..and theodp remarks are brilliant and spot on!

    Naturally, one would expect AG Holder, who made his big bucks at Covington & Burling, defending Chiquita (formerly United Fruit) and Coca Cola and the oil companies, for their hiring of assassins to murder labor organizers, protesters and pro-democracy activists in South America and West Africa. And please don't neglect the record of Ortiz:

    http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/01/17/carmen-ortizs-sordid-rap-sheet/
    And please let us never forget the ultimate entitlement:

    The "right" of the banksters to "create money" and make the rest of us pay them for it! (Unconstitutional, as the US Constitution only gives the right to coin the currency to the gov't, not to any private concern --- Presidents Lincoln and Kennedy exercised that constitutional right, and history shows us their horrendous outcomes.)

  22. Re:next steps? Sue Ortiz, JSTOR, and MIT. by symbolset · · Score: 2

    Here is the equivalent petition for Steve Heymann:

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/fire-assistant-us-attorney-steve-heymann/RJKSY2nb

    Heymann's still needs more signatures to get over the minimum required for a mandatory response.

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  23. Re:heard this one before... by blueg3 · · Score: 2

    No, you're deliberately misinterpreting it in order to make a pass at scoring some Godwin points.

    The point is that the prosecutor's behavior is not "as ordered", but rather is simply the norm for how prosecution is done. If you find that unacceptable, the appropriate path is to try to fix the use of these tactics in general, rather than singling this out as a specific case with a particular problem.

  24. Re:next steps? Sue Ortiz, JSTOR, and MIT. by blueg3 · · Score: 2

    Sue them for theft, and perhaps racketeering. Also sue them under the anti trust laws for price fixing.

    I get the suspicion you have no idea what JSTOR is or what it does.

  25. Suicide works! (sometimes) by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2

    I believe, I have to bring to everyone's attention one uncomfortable fact -- a suicide of a person was sufficient to bring important issues to the attention of public and institutions when everything else utterly and completely failed.

    Now, everyone who ever repeated anti-suicide formulas about suiide being inherently cowardly, selfish, pointless, etc. act, is welcome to kiss his dead ass. While it's true that most suicides result in nothing remarkable, so do most lives.

    On a lighter note, Aaron Swartz is now both a hero and an hero.

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  26. Re:interesting by celle · · Score: 2

    "Nice to read Kerr's nuanced read of the situation, good antidote to the shrill, half-witted shrieking of the chronically ignorant slashdotters."

          Doesn't matter what is right under the law, what matters is what is right period. Bad law is meant to be broken and bad prosecutors enforcing said laws broken harder. Prosecutors are in a position to decide right from wrong, but do they if they remember how? Laws are guidelines, at least if you believe the Supreme Court that has been bouncing all over the place in this issue for the last hundred years, lately its been guidelines. If that's true the prosecutors are the primarily responsible party when pressing charges and making mistakes. Because it's standard procedure is a poor excuse for a bad decision because you didn't bother to think about the life you were ruining.

  27. Re:heard this one before... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

    If you find that unacceptable, the appropriate path is to try to fix the use of these tactics in general, rather than singling this out as a specific case with a particular problem.

    Why not single out the evil doers like Oritz? Why should they get a free pass just because some other people are evil as well. If scum like these prosecutors had to actually face consequences for their actions, you can be sure that the "system" would change pretty quickly.

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