Slashdot Mirror


Schmidt, Daughter Talk About North Korea Trip

Eric Schmidt attracted headlines when he visited North Korea, but until now he has said little about the trip. Today he broke his silence with a Google+ post. He says in part: "As the world becomes increasingly connected, the North Korean decision to be virtually isolated is very much going to affect their physical world and their economic growth. It will make it harder for them to catch up economically. We made that alternative very, very clear. Once the internet starts in any country, citizens in that country can certainly build on top of it, but the government has to do one thing: open up the Internet first. They have to make it possible for people to use the Internet, which the government of North Korea has not yet done. It is their choice now, and in my view, it’s time for them to start, or they will remain behind." His daughter had some interesting things to say as well, "The best description we could come up with: it's like The Truman Show, at country scale."

23 of 187 comments (clear)

  1. Where is the profit by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

    Eric Schmidt visits a farm and tells the farmer than his cows would be far better off with internet access. The farmer looks at him like he is fucking stupid. Where is the benefit for him in doing that?

    1. Re:Where is the profit by k-run · · Score: 5, Informative

      Farmers in India can get weather and crop pricing information via SMS on their basic 'feature' phones. It is progress, even if it seems painfully slow to those of us who live in the west.

    2. Re:Where is the profit by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Eric Schmidt visits a farm and tells the farmer than his cows would be far better off with internet access. The farmer looks at him like he is fucking stupid. Where is the benefit for him in doing that?

      You are so right on.

      Most people here have never been to Korea and can't really understand the dynamics of what is going on in both South and North Korea.

      There is very little chance that Eric Schmidt or any of his "people" saw anything that the North did not want them to see... Which is most of North Korea, which is in a state of extreme poverty on levels that most American, most Westerners simply can not understand.

      This was a PR trip for the North Koreans, a way to leverage media in the West to believe that things are not as bad in the North as they really are.

      As the US Government said, this was not a "useful" trip, it was a PR trip for the North Koreans, who continue to develop Nuclear Weapons at the cost of feeding their people.

      --
      If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
    3. Re:Where is the profit by maugle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm pretty sure they didn't mean for them to see the power outage in the subway system, and especially not all the NK citizens automatically pulling out their flashlights (indicating "yeah, this happens all the time").

    4. Re:Where is the profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your 10 aircraft carriers are not securing shipping routes, and the US doesn't have a shortage of nuclear weapons sitting around not securing shipping routes either.

      There is a huge difference between the US and North Korea. This isn't it.

  2. "oh come on dad" by bitt3n · · Score: 5, Funny

    "do I have to post this on google+? I wanted my friends to see it."

    1. Re:"oh come on dad" by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

      You've hit on the real news behind this story - someone actually posted something on Google+!

      --
      #DeleteChrome
  3. 2013 - Year Of Linux On The North Korea by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Funny

    They also demonstrated their software and technology based on open source (mostly Linux)

    --
    Please consider this account deleted, I just can't be bothered with the spam anymore.
    1. Re:2013 - Year Of Linux On The North Korea by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Funny

      Free is just another word for socialist!

      --
      Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
  4. Wow! by Mullen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Eric Schmidt from Google goes to North Korea and tells them the path to prosperity is open up to the Internet? Are you fucking serious? Uh, Eric, you know what you should have told them the path to prosperity was; the North Korean government should completely and radically change from a multi-generational dictatorship to a representative Democracy and Capitalistic System, with the intent of reunification with their southern brothers. Close the Concentration Camps (Yes, I said Concentration Camps), get rid of the failed centralized economy, stop starving your citizens and stop trying to cling to power and accept that the citizens of NK probably would be much better off without the current NK government. Opening up to the Internet is probably about 15th on the list of things they should do.

    Flying to NK and trying to convenience them to use Android Smart Phones or Google Applications for Dictatorships is pretty naive and well, fucking selfish. People are really starving and dying and giving them a couple of pointers on how to use the Internet is, well, dumb.

    --
    Linux O Muerte!
    1. Re:Wow! by Iamthecheese · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "open up the internet" is something they will listen to. "stop being isolationist" isn't. The best advice, ignored, is just noise.

      --
      If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
    2. Re:Wow! by prehistoricman5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what will happen if NK truly opens themselves up to the internet (not like China) and gives its citizens unfettered access?

      The illusion will be shattered for the citizens of NK, they will begin to demand more from their government and openess will come.

      --
      Fuck Beta
    3. Re:Wow! by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it's not something they will listen to.

      North Korea is having an ongoing national psychotic episode. Not much anybody can do. That 'anybody' is mostly China BTW, but they let N. Korea continue for their own reasons.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    4. Re:Wow! by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Informative

      The illusion will be shattered for the citizens of NK, they will begin to demand more from their government and openess will come.

      Actually, they will begin to demand less from their government. Like less defense from an imaginary pending attack from South Korea. Less in the way of starvation labor camps. Less in the way of grotesque mass-parade theater showing love for their various iterations of Great Leader, Dear Leader, etc.

      What they'll want more of is a chance for people outside of that hellish place to be able to invest money, material, and people into growing some actual businesses. Or they will want that, as soon as they realize that's what generates actual prosperity.

      --
      Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
  5. "WTF were they thinking?" by malloc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In that (quite interesting) post the author frequently wonders "WTF were they thinking?". E.g. did they think we would not notice that the screens on all the computers on both floors were identical? My wife is from China where not so long ago everthing was identical, down to the progaganda art on the wall. Her immediate answer when I asked her was "duh, they don't care what the delegates thought, the whole exercise is to show pictures to the local NK population about how the great foreign technical leaders liked the NK technical office". I think we tend to forget that: it isn't the delegates that Pyongyang is afraid of, its their own people.

    --
    ___________________ I want to be free()!
  6. Well I dunno by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They seem to go out of the way to try and impress foreigners with how awesome shit is, they just fail badly. I think it may be a case that they've been drinking their own kool aid for so long they forget the outside world doesn't buy the bullshit. They are used to their propaganda defining their reality, they don't have a good understanding of places where it doesn't.

  7. Re:Another "do no evil violated"? by mpoulton · · Score: 4, Informative

    Couldn't Schmidt's trip be construed as a violation of the Logan Act?

    I don't see how. He didn't engage in any sort of negotiation with the DPRK administration. Of course everyone he was in contact with while in-country was effectively a representative of the regime, but he didn't represent himself as an agent of the United States and attempt to engage in diplomatic negotiation. He just visited, smiled, and nodded.

    --
    I am a geek attorney, but not your geek attorney unless you've already retained me. This is not legal advice.
  8. The revolution will be tweeted by naroom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given how the whole Arab Spring thing played out, I'm guessing the people in power in NK are not going to be inviting the Internet in any time soon.

  9. Coming from Germany to the US... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...it's also like a combination of the Truman Show and They Live. One massive reality distortion bubble that nobody is aware of.
    And the whole discussion, just as the voting choices, always revolves around two options that are only differing in something entirely beside the point, giving the citizens choices for all aspects of their life, except those that aren't meaningless. Everything is condensed down from picking a fuzzy varying area in a multi-dimensional gradient space to a one-dimensional binary choice. With you being called at least "Hitler" for picking the "wrong" one. Let alone trying to think outside that box.
    It's ludicrous.

  10. Re:Who benefits from this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm thinking Eric Schmidt was using North Korea as a way of saying : close the Internet and that's what you'll get. Maybe the real target of his message is the US.

  11. Re:Information bubble in the USA too? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 5, Informative

    I moved away from the US nearly 12 years ago.

    I did not have to swim a river or crawl through barbed wire or a minefield under cover of darkness to do so.

    In fact, before I left, the US government even supplied me at my request and for very low cost with an internationally-accepted document confirming my citizenship (so I could come back if I wanted) and asking people in other countries to treat me nicely (and telling me where to get help if they don't).

    I don't see that happening so often in North Korea, do you?

    --
    Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
  12. not as locked down as you think by joe545 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have actually visited North Korea in order to see the Arirang Mass Games. Although Truman Show is a good analogy of what it is like there, I feel a better description is like a human safari. While it is heavily locked down there to an amusing extent (my guide genuinely thought Madonna was man but had heard of her), every now and then you saw a glimpse of something that showed you that it wasn't entirely true.

    When I was leaving the country and passing through passport control, I was lightly grilled by the border guard. He asked me a few questions and then asked me what my job was.
    "Programmer", I replied.
    "Which language do you use?"
    "Java"
    He then leaned forwarded and whispered to me as he gave me my passport back, "Me too".

    1. Re:not as locked down as you think by Alex+Belits · · Score: 5, Funny

      In my wildest dreams I don't envision the time when the name of Java programming language will be be whispered in fear by its former users who are permanently relegated to the jobs that have no effect on the rest of society.

      --
      Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.