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Male Scientists More Prone To Misconduct

sciencehabit writes "Male scientists — especially at the upper echelons of the profession — are far more likely than women to commit misconduct. That's the bottom line of a new analysis by three microbiologists of wrongdoing in the life sciences in the United States. Ferric Fang of the University of Washington, Seattle; Joan Bennett of Rutgers University; and Arturo Casadevall of Albert Einstein College of Medicine combed through misconduct reports on 228 people released by the U.S. Office of Research Integrity (ORI) over the last 19 years. They then compared the gender balance — or imbalance, in this case — against the mix of male and female senior scientists and trainees to gauge whether misconduct was more prevalent among men. A remarkable 88% of faculty members who committed misconduct were men, or 63 out of 72 individuals. The number of women in that group was one-third of what one would expect based on female representation in the life sciences."

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  1. Their conclusion, my conclusion. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Their conclusion: Men commit more misconduct.

    My conclusion: Women are sneakier at committing misconduct.

    1. Re:Their conclusion, my conclusion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Boobs buy a lot of forgiveness.

    2. Re:Their conclusion, my conclusion. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Studies of marital infidelity suggest women are sneakier. They're no more faithful, but they don't get caught as much. Not having the irresistible urge to brag about wrongdoings to their friends at the bar/locker room probably helps.

    3. Re:Their conclusion, my conclusion. by icebike · · Score: 5, Informative

      The same male predominance in crime statistics, (violent and non-violent) is found in nearly every country.

      Women commit 1/10th the amount of violent crimes that men do.
      Unless there are sneaky ways to murder people, I don't think your conclusion holds.

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    4. Re:Their conclusion, my conclusion. by RoknrolZombie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Studies of marital infidelity suggest women are sneakier. They're no more faithful, but they don't get caught as much. Not having the irresistible urge to brag about wrongdoings to their friends at the bar/locker room probably helps.

      That could be due to the husbands not being perceptive enough to notice as well. Instead of women being more sneaky, maybe men are just more oblivious.

    5. Re:Their conclusion, my conclusion. by Genda · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Boobs buy a lot of forgiveness.

      Then folks should be forgiving you continuously...

    6. Re:Their conclusion, my conclusion. by icebike · · Score: 5, Informative

      First, I said violent AND NON VIOLENT. You stopped reading when you saw what you wanted to see.

      The behavior traits that affect the commission of crime are arguable exactly the same as those driving scientific cheating or misconduct.

      Others on this topic have posted that women are subject to far more scrutiny than men, and they realize this, and understand that they won't get away with it.

      So for you to assert that they commit just as much misconduct but get away with it more often flies in the face of every other aspect of human behavior, as well as the theory of glass ceiling and undue scrutiny of female researchers.

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    7. Re:Their conclusion, my conclusion. by AwesomeMcgee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They controlled for percentage being men vs. woman in saying woman proportionate to their percentage in the field did one third of what men did proportionate to their percentage in the field.

      However, I would posit there is a cruicial missing control here: Authority. Misconduct is far more likely to be committed by folks in authority than those who aren't, I would like to see the percentage of woman committing misconduct proportionate to their percentage in *authority roles* rather than just their percentage in the whole field, likewise mens misconduct proportionate to their percentage in authority roles. I think this would be much more balanced, as it is a very relevant control they're missing from their statistics.

    8. Re:Their conclusion, my conclusion. by Genda · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, there are some excellent articles on primate behavior that suggest there are many reasons for infidelity among both sexes. Its not to hard to figure out why women are sneakier... think people, men outweigh women by 50% or more and have twice the muscle mass. If your spouse can kill you with their bare hands,you tend to unconsciously avoid circumstances where that behavior might be expressed. Duh! Many women are taught from an early age to marry a good provider, but when Mr. Oh My Gawd shows up... stuff happens. There used to be strong religious taboos and social morays that kept people faithful, but after the sexual revolution of the 60s and cheap and effective birth control, the gloves are now pretty much off.

      One growing answer has been polyamory or group marriage where a consenting group of people become all singing all dancing. This provides the members with sexual variety, while allowing group members natural strengths to empower the group and weaknesses being reinforced by other members. We still haven't gotten past jealousy and the idea of "Owning" our partners in this society, so don't expect that 50% divorce rate to improve anytime soon. There are however logical and even fascinating ways of people relating that may have real possibilities in the future.

    9. Re:Their conclusion, my conclusion. by swillden · · Score: 5, Funny

      social morays that kept people faithful

      I have this image of vicious eels guarding women's marital fidelity, ready to jump out and bite any unauthorized entrants where it hurts most. Not sure why you call them "social", though. Seems downright anti-social to me.

      The word you actually wanted is "moré" :-)

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  2. What if it went the other way? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The opposite result would be unpublishable, and in an academic setting unspeakable. Can it be credible science if only one result was permissible?

    Posting as AC for the obvious reason.

  3. Correlation with gender imbalance not gender by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I interprit this as follows. Gender imbalance in a field increases the likelyhood that that the biased for gender contains low quality employees. These people would not have their job in a fair job market. Likewise the other gender will contain higher quality people who were able to overcome the gender bias with exceptional skills.

  4. Re:Alternatively by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Two can play at this game. Genital mutilation is still regularly practiced on males in the US. Women are more physically violent in relationships (see any of the 200+ studies on this topic), but men are ridiculed if they ever complain about it, are arrested if they report it to the police, and any defensive action will result in a prison sentence.

    Single fathers are rare because the legal system overwhelmingly favors taking children away from their father. Divorce is similar. The homeless are almost entirely men because there is far more government support for poor women. Women's reproductive health is a medical specialty paid for by insurance, while male contraceptives haven't fundamentally changed for a thousand years and "men's health" isn't really a thing (beyond some rare doctor's individual interest).

    Something that is likely most relevant to Slashdot's user base is society's expectation that men drive the entire courtship process, and suffer countless painful rejections by women. Men are also pushed into the dangerous or unhealthy jobs, while society is perfectly accepting of women as homemakers.

    Heck, 60% of men throughout history never had surviving children, so society has always treated men as expendable. Men are competitive because the prize for first place is one or more women of your choice and a position of authority, second place is being first place's servant, and third place is dead. Men have to go big or go home, so I'm not particularly surprised that this mentality would lead to academic misconduct. OTOH, men tend to be in more senior positions than women since feminism is somewhat recent, so that would skew the results. (It also skews the "three times harder" nonsense, as does maternity leave and the tendency of women to not negotiate salary or pursue jobs with long hours but high pay.)

  5. Re:Alternatively by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Try this on, just as a possibility."

    Calm down. Don't get your knickers in a twist.

    According to OP, this analysis was done by three "microbiologists of wrongdoing". I would not place much faith in their accuracy. Unless I am mistaken, they belong to the same professional organization as the "physicists of pillage".