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Finland Is Crowdsourcing Its New Copyright Law

An anonymous reader writes "Internet activists in Finland, upset with the country's strict copyright laws, are ready to take advantage of the country's promise to vote on any citizen-proposed bill that reaches 50,000 signatures. Digital rights group Common Sense in Copyright has proposed sweeping changes to Finland's Lex Karpela, a 2006 amendment to the Finnish copyright law that more firmly criminalized digital piracy. Under it, 'countless youngsters have been found guilty of copyright crimes and sentenced to pay thousands, in some cases hundreds of thousands, of euros in punitive damages to the copyright organizations.' The proposal to fix copyright is the best-rated and most-commented petition on the Open Ministry site."

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  1. What if they "fix" it in an incompatible way? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They can fix and improve and change as much as they want. The moment it is out and the US doesnt like it, starts accusing Finland of "theft" and threatens painful trade sanctions, they will have to revert it back or face consequences more severe than putting up with the current copyright.

    Copyright is simply too valuable for the few influential stakeholders to be allowed to be decided democratically.

    1. Re:What if they "fix" it in an incompatible way? by c0lo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They can fix and improve and change as much as they want. The moment it is out and the US doesnt like it, starts accusing Finland of "theft" and threatens painful trade sanctions, they will have to revert it back or face consequences more severe than putting up with the current copyright.

      Copyright is simply too valuable for the few influential stakeholders to be allowed to be decided democratically.

      What more US can do that has not already done to Finland? I mean, look... isn't enough they pushed Elop as the Nokia head? (grin: it's Obama's fault, isn't it?)

      With a AAA credit rating, the only nasty thing would scare the Finnish people would be the Russian to cut their gas (100% dependence on Russia).

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  2. Re:Brown Trousers Time by Apotekaren · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As for the watering down, if the proposal (a complete law text) passes the 50,000 vote mark, the Finnish parliament has to vote on it AS IS.

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  3. The copyright law has a good form! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Finnish copyright law has very flexible permissions for private use.

    1) Few copies of legally obtained copyrighted material can be copied for private use
    2) Private use includes family members and best friends.
    3) In court the "few copies" has been seen to be 10 copies
    4) You are allowed to outsource the copying if needed (you can give copyrighted material to third party what copy them for you and give original and all copies back).
    5) Downloading from Internet isn't illegal, it is just admonished, but sharing (uploading) is criminalized.
    6) You can brake the DRM if it is necessary to get music to be heard, video to be seen or text to visible (etc)
    7) You can transform content to another if it is required to get content available. (meaning you can make a copy of DVD as VHS if other has only VHS player. Or transcode WMA to MP3 if only having a MP3 player).
    8) If original media is destroyed, stolen or lost, all copies needs to be destroyed.
    9) You can not make new copies from copies or release them to any other third party (non-family members, not best friends)

    In Finland you are allowed to borrow a CD music from library and make those 10 copies for you, to your family members and best friend. Any of those copies can be a version in MP3 files, a CD or WMA etc, as long the amount is same.
    You can as well buy a latest movie/music from store with your 4 friends, make 3 copies and divide the music price by 4. Meaning 20 euros music is just 5 euros for each of one.
    You can as well rent a movie for few euros and make a copy of that for private use.
    You are allowed to record movies and shows from TV and make few copies of them as well for private use.

    But all this has a cost.
    You need to pay a small tax in every empty CD, DVD, HDD, SSD and now on memory sticks as well. It is about 15 euros from HDD what is bigger than 750GB
    About a 15 cent on empty DVD and about 10 cent on empty CD.
    Every importer is demanded by law to pay that and that is transferred to device/media prices.

    But people are mad about it!
    Many are mad of it because "I pay more about empty media/storage than I should" and many even promote their ideas by saying "I only store my own music and my own photos and videos to those medias". And still most doesn't even understand that spending a few euros a year for that tax, you can make as many copies for private use from legally obtained copyrighted material as you wish.

    Teens usually listen same music with their friends. Instead them needed to buy a own CD (2 x 20 euros) to CD-player and then again MP3 version (2 x 10-15 euros for album) phone/mp3-player, they can together buy just a single CD, make copies of it and transcode music as MP3 files in 20 euros.

    How about lex karpela?
    Lex Karpela was a addition to copyright law what criminalized braking strong DRM. That what was "strong DRM" was not written at all. Later two man went and wanted to test that law in court. Other one made a DVD with a CSS encryption in it. Then borrowed it to friend, what made a copy of that disk by braking the CSS. And then the copyright owned (who borrowed DVD to friend) sued friend to court demanding 5 cent penalties.
    The whole case when to higher court and back, and it was given a judgment criminalizing the friend who broke the encryption because it was not possible "in mistake". The problem was what many doesn't understand, the friend made DVD was not made legally public, it was a personal DVD with DRM.
    The copyright law demands the copyrighted material is published legally. Meaning it is that companies what presents, plays, prints etc media, can not control citizens rights to share information and cultural material.
    But when a private person makes a own media, she or he owns the copyright for it but just by borrowing it to friend, doesn't mean he or she published it. So it isn't legally obtained material in the first place unless you ask permission from your friend "can I make a copy to myself from your made movie what you