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Secret UK Uranium Components Plant Closed Over Safety Fears

Lasrick writes "The Guardian has an exclusive story regarding a secret uranium-enriching plant in the UK that was closed due to safety fears. From the article: 'A top-secret plant at Aldermaston that makes enriched uranium components for Britain's nuclear warheads and fuel for the Royal Navy's submarines has been shut down because corrosion has been discovered in its 'structural steelwork', the Guardian can reveal. The closure has been endorsed by safety regulators who feared the building did not conform to the appropriate standards. The nuclear safety watchdog demands that such critical buildings are capable of withstanding 'extreme weather and seismic events,' and the plant at Aldermaston failed this test. It has set a deadline of the end of the year for the problems to be fixed.'"

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  1. "Secret" as in "well signposted"? by Neil_Brown · · Score: 4, Informative

    The AWE plant at Aldermaston is well signed from the road, and its website seems at least reasonably open about what it does:

    Our role at AWE is to manufacture and sustain the warheads for the Trident system ... Our work at AWE covers the entire life cycle of nuclear warheads; from initial concept, assessment and design, through to component manufacture and assembly, in-service support, and finally decommissioning and disposal.

    1. Re:"Secret" as in "well signposted"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Somebody in the Guardian comments pointed out that it's even listed in the (slightly comical) Wiki entry for the area:

      5 Economy

              5.1 Agriculture
              5.2 Pubs and brewing
              5.3 Cricket bats
              5.4 Pottery
              5.5 Atomic Weapons Establishment
              5.6 Other businesses

    2. Re:"Secret" as in "well signposted"? by mekkab · · Score: 3, Funny

      NOW where will I get my uranium-enriched cricket bats?!

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    3. Re:"Secret" as in "well signposted"? by mekkab · · Score: 4, Informative

      No. It's probably "secret" as in "you don't have the clearance to enter the building and there are armed guards."

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    4. Re:"Secret" as in "well signposted"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's not secret that's just high security.

    5. Re:"Secret" as in "well signposted"? by Kupfernigk · · Score: 3, Funny

      This reminds me of someone I know who is a former officer on nuclear submarines and now works in IT. His CV on Linkedin includes "strategic nuclear deterrence". I've speculated that he's hoping for a job offer from Iran.

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    6. Re:"Secret" as in "well signposted"? by phayes · · Score: 2

      Given that the problems are planned to be fixed within months in this highly regulated sector where everything takes longer, the problem isn't as bad as the nuclear boogey man crowd are trying to make it appear to be.

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    7. Re:"Secret" as in "well signposted"? by war4peace · · Score: 2

      My English blows, but I thought what you're saying can be summarized by "secured", "guarded", "militarized".
      What you say there can be applied to any bank's vault, does it make that vault "secret"?

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    8. Re:"Secret" as in "well signposted"? by robthebloke · · Score: 4, Funny

      No it's probably secret as in:
      Government: "MI6 does not exist"
      Everyone else: "Yes it does, it's in that big building with MI6 written on it"
      Government: "No, MI6 does not exist".
      Everyone else: "But you just responded to this question using the e-mail address: queries@MI6.gov.uk"
      Government: "ok, so MI6 does exist"
      Everyone else: "We already know"

    9. Re:"Secret" as in "well signposted"? by mekkab · · Score: 3, Interesting

      my apologies for assuming you knew what I meant by "secret" and "top secret". When information (be it technology, strategy, etc) is deemed to be of a sensitive nature, it is considered classified. And there are levels of classification; Proprietary (usually this has nothing to do with national security, but it's sensitive information for a business. If you knew Apple Computer was going to by company Foo before the public announcement, that would be proprietary information that a competitor would love to know), "Secret" and "Top Secret" (these levels pertaining to national security).

      So while a bank's vault is secured, what it contains is not sensitive information (it's money, it's bearer bonds, gold perhaps...). You can know what is in there and it doesn't compromise the nation.

      Where-as if you know some specific technical detail about uranium enrichment, you could sell that to another foreign nation, and THAT would compromise national security.

      I hope this makes some sense!

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    10. Re:"Secret" as in "well signposted"? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Funny

      Everybody else: plus, you left a laptop labelled "Property of MI6. Do not loose!" on the 7:15 to Waterloo. Again.

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    11. Re:"Secret" as in "well signposted"? by dave420 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's actually called SIS, not MI6.

  2. Nothing to see here by mirix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sounds like the system is working as it is supposed to. Inspectors found problem, problem will be rectified.

    Now had they not found anything, and it fell apart like that bridge a few years back, then that's news.

    The facility doesn't sound terribly 'secret', not any more at least...

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  3. Title inaccurate. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Informative

    FormerlySecret UK Uranium Components Plant Closed Over Safety Fears

    This is not the same Secret Nuclear Bunker which is signposted nearby Brentwood. That is a totally separate formerly secret nuclear site.

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    1. Re:Title inaccurate. by ledow · · Score: 2

      I do love that the signs say "Secret Nuclear Bunker" on that particular one. I used to laugh every time I drove past on my way to work.

      Why not just "Nuclear Bunker", or "Former Nuclear Bunker", as it's still only a tourist-attraction signpost anyway. Secret Nuclear Bunker just makes you laugh.

      Unless that's the point - now we discussed it at least twice and people will think "Oh, I'll go and find that"...

    2. Re:Title inaccurate. by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 2

      Unless that's the point - now we discussed it at least twice and people will think "Oh, I'll go and find that"...

      I've no idea as to the authenticity of much of the contents, but the whole place is filled with faintly creepy signs. The near-total absence of staff, the honesty-boxes for any kind of payment and the (non-functional?) security cameras all over the place, it's all very much in keeping with the creepily humorous 'Secret Nuclear Bunker' name. At least, I assume it's meant to be funny.

      (I took loads of photos there a bit over a year ago. I didn't pay the £5 photography fee; I was kind of glad to get out of the place. And I'm someone who explores dodgy forgotten locations for fun...)

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  4. Big Deal by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Somebody get an Architect we need a new building.

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  5. Re:Top secret? by hairykrishna · · Score: 2

    The AWE site at Aldermaston is enormous. It's an old airfield stuffed with big, nondescript buildings. Unless you're working on site you won't get within about half a mile of any of the 'interesting' ones and even when on site you won't know what's in most of them unless directly working there. I can well believe that they have a hidden enrichment plant.

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  6. Scam! The truth is out. by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 2

    I read this -- it is a scam. They have not really closed the plant, they just erected some sort of social barrier to prevent humans from entering it to do whatever it is humans do there. The plant is presently doing what plants do when humans are not present, openly so. Everything is working as it should, as might be expected. Under this circumstance of the plant being unpopulated by humans, I mean.

    I see this shoddiness everywhere these days. Absurd claims that something is closed when you could shove a stick right into it, or reach your arm right into it. If maths were done this way birds would fly backwards and farmers would be forced to grow smaller potatoes.

    Now if they built a Sarcophagus around it then it would truly be closed. They may as well for it sounds like a dreary place of corroded steel and despite the excitement of it being somehow 'nuclear' there there is nothing interesting to see, no "Elephant's Foot" of molten corium or such-like.

    Oh dear. It seems things are wearing out as fast as we are growing up.

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  7. Nuclear Fear Mongering by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is an example of the social headwinds nuclear engineering (actually any engineering) faces all the time. Engineers identify a problem, usually during routine inspections (inspections that take place in order to find any problems!), and take an action such as shutting down in a controlled manner to remedy the problem. The tabloid title of the summary of the event invariably reads "Nuclear Plant X Forced to Shut Down Due to Safety Fears" and is followed by an article which lists the last N times the plant had to shut down, possibly followed by a comment about TMI/Chernobyl/Fukushima just to keep the drama up. Yes, accidents happen, but the fact that many problems are identified, investigated, and remedied as part of a engineered safety response program seems lost on the public. The battery problems on the Boeing 787 are another similar example - correct actions are being taken to remedy a problem, but journalists are branding the Dreamliner as a potentially unsafe lemon.

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  8. Re:The more important question by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 2

    Is it possible that these warheads can reach the USA?

    Maybe. We'll have to strike pre-emptively.

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  9. Demand by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2

    The nuclear safety watchdog demands that such critical buildings are capable of

    I demand that people who write articles in newspapers be capable of writing proper English before getting their degree in journalism, let alone being hired by said newspapers.

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