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Cooking Up the Connected Kitchen

Esther Schindler writes "If you're looking for technology to improve kitchen connectivity and home automation, you might be surprised at how little is available today. Turns out, that's a good thing. Our industry has a long history of trying to sell a solution in search of a problem. Maybe we can get away with that occasionally, when the solution is inherently fun, or when there are enough of us geeks to buy an cool-looking automated gizmo with blinking lights where a cheaper hand-held "solution" is just as good for the masses. But when it comes to home appliances, which cost a pretty penny by anyone's measure, nobody wants to invest big bucks in a "connected" device — however cool the home automation seems — where the technology platform goes away (my washing machine is 8 years old; I sure wouldn't use a PC or phone that age) or where the benefits are murky. That is, just what is it we want the kitchen automation to do? It's one thing to say, "The fridge could order food when I run out" but none of us want to scan every potato as we unload the groceries. Yet, as I wrote in Cooking up the connected kitchen, the manufacturers are paying attention to home automation and connectivity and giving your oven an app. And some of it, as I hope the article makes clear, is really cool. 'The manufacturers want to sell us technology, and we want to buy cool capabilities that actually improve the quality of our lives. What I found surprising, in my own hands-on evaluations, is how often I had a dual-stage response: "That's the dumbest thing I ever saw. (beat) Wait, I want that!"' The manufacturers are being thoughtful about both what we'd want and what we'd buy... which is something to appreciate. So what would you want from kitchen connectivity?"

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  1. Automation by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Connectivity is great but I want automation. I want to be able to wake up to a couple perfectly fried eggs and some bacon next to buttered toast. Thanks science.

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    1. Re:Automation by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

      Connectivity is great but I want automation.

      That's what I thought, too. I want to have a hole in every room in which to throw my trash so that it is delivered to the basement and compacted. I want a delivery system that can bring me a 0.33l soda can whenever I press the button, and I want the same system to take the old, empty can back to the basement and store it. I can't really come up with anything other that I'd want automated. Maybe an automated lawn-mower, but those exist already.

      and some bacon

      I just tried bacon for the first time in my life a few weeks ago and jesus god damn christ was it horrible! Freakishly fatty and salty, no wonder people die to various kinds of heart diseases after eating that stuff o_o

    2. Re:Automation by Let's+All+Be+Chinese · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In a few short years you might even get that, courtesy the Japanese getting older and their aversion to getting non-Japanese to help them out in their old age. It's why you get all those whacky robots from pet dogs to something already close to robot nurses.

      Ironically they don't actually need introspective fridges with see-through display doors and built-in speakers (that are problems to clean, and might break, too) for that. If the robot is smart enough to move about on its own it's smart enough to remember what's where or even just to remember to take a quick inventory before ordering (or executing, there's an idea) the scheduled shopping.

      So the robots take over our lives. Of course, this is where we mumble "yeah, skynet" and then leave things as they are. But things don't have to walk to become our networked adversaries. They don't even have to mean it. All that's needed is an over-abundance of trying to be "helpful" in just the wrong way. Incidentally that's the way we've been going down so far, with equating "user friendlyness" with "hiding the controls so you don't have to worry about it".

      While I sort-of share the sentiment of wanting to not have to do the chores myself, with various defensive strategies in place they're not that much of a problem. What would be a problem is losing control, even the feeling of losing control. And you get that by having all sorts of things try to out-smart you behind your back.

      You know, The Wrong Trousers style. Or maybe not even that.

      Make the fscking things self-cleaning if you must, but at least give them interfaces with published, open specs that I plug into my kitchen controller that I tell what to do, that talks to me through my phone or whatever device I want to whenever I say so, and so on. I don't want vendor-supplied half-well over-eagerly done patented "easyness". I want those things to do my bidding, and for that they have to talk to me the way I want them to.

      On that same note, I wouldn't want things to be too integrated--that just drives up the repair bill through sheer proprietaryness, meaning it won't happen and now half my kitchen doesn't talk to the other half any longer.

      Keep it simple. Keep things independent if they don't need to interdepend. Make a speaker that sticks to the fridge with magnets, or take a few old but still functional ones and mount'em somewhere high and out of the way. Though the old trick of mounting a radio under the cabinets over the counter seems good enough still, too. Make one of those with a bluetooth interface and you're golden.

      In short, all that integrating just because we can is no good for us. Even when automating.

    3. Re:Automation by stephanruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Imagine connecting with your oven from your smartphone to adjust the roast's cooking time. When dinner is ready to serve, the oven can notify the chef via text message or push notification, not to mention nag your family on their mobile devices to call them to dinner.

      My oven just beeps when it needs to notify me that it finished pre-heating. And it just beeps when it finishes baking something and turns itself off. It also has a convenient oven light that I can manually turn on and off, that acts as an in-context reminder that I may still have something in the oven even thought the oven turned itself off.

      In this day of information overload, there is no need to clutter up my cell phone with one more type of notification/reminder, nor is there a need to make the oven configuration UI panel more complex than it needs to be. The same goes for my house guests/family. I don't need to clutter up their sms/inbox either. I don't live in a five story mansion. I can usually hear the beep just fine. And if I want to eat with my family, I can just tell them, or yell at them, assuming they even want to eat with me. Worst case scenario, if my family and my house get large enough, I'll get an intercom for the rooms I can't easily reach. Furthermore, I wouldn't want them to be accidentally notified of the oven finishing, when they're away from the house on some other business. Nor would I want my family to be notified when the oven is finished, but the dinner is not fully prepared yet. There is actually time between the time that an oven finishes and that the table is set up with all that's needed.

      With notifications, the only type that I may want, may be from my washer/dryer, but that's only because they're a bit out of the way, and I can't easily hear their buzzer when they finish (nor do I walk in front of those appliances unless I'm using them, so sometimes I need to be reminded I have something in them). But even there, I'd try to minimize the number of notifications/reminders as much as possible. For instance, it would be nice if it didn't sent me a notification to me if I picked up my clothes quickly enough, and it would be nice if it was smart enough not to notify me during some hours where I already left for work, or during the hours when I'm usually sleeping.

      Home chefs can access the Dacor Discovery IQ Cooking Application and Guide, suggests Dacor, while simultaneously downloading other popular applications through the Google Play Store, researching new recipes, or viewing cooking video demonstrations wirelessly through a home Wi-Fi network.

      Honestly, I already have a tablet for that. And there are already plenty of apps that duplicate the functionality of their application, and that probably already do a very good job of it. What are they doing wasting their resources on this?

      Having a tablet built-in into the oven would make things really counter-productive for me. It's easy for me to replace my tablet, but it would be difficult to replace/upgrade my oven built-in tablet. Furthermore, just like a car manufacturer, I'd never trust an oven manufacturer to keep its paws off the builtin internet-connected tablet of its own manufactured device (nor would I trust that manufacturer to sell me that built-in tablet, nor any of its builtin services at a reasonable price either).

      And, of course, should the wall oven encounter a problem or require maintenance, IQ will notify the owner with an error message and send an automated report to Dacor for troubleshooting.

      What? Why would I even expect my wall oven to have a problem!?!

      If my oven really has a physical problem, I may call a repairman to come in person, but I want to be there when he comes to my place. Please do not automatically assume that what benefits a company will automatically benefit the consumer. This feature for me would just be an anti-feature.

      Furthermore, I'm not the most security-conscious person in the world, but in

  2. Feedback. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I want feedback.

    I want to be able to stick a thermometer in my food, whether in the oven, microwave or on the hob and have the thing use feedback to follow a temperature vs. time profile.

    Why waste $5k on immersion heaters and vacuum packers for sous vide setups when a simple thermometer input and a few lines of code could achieve the same thing on a conventional kitchen oven?

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    1. Re:Feedback. by Eil · · Score: 2

      Why waste $5k on immersion heaters and vacuum packers for sous vide setups when a simple thermometer input and a few lines of code could achieve the same thing on a conventional kitchen oven?

      Because you will never get the kind of temperature stability required by sous vide in a conventional oven, no matter how automated it is. The good news is: With a little skill you can _make_ your own sous vide setup fairly cheaply. There are examples all over the web.

      But yes, I do agree your general sentiment.

  3. What I want .. by OzPeter · · Score: 2

    ..as I wrote..

    Freedom from slashvertisments.

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    1. Re:What I want .. by Anachragnome · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Freedom from slashvertisments."

      Once a month, I spend an entire evening tabbing back to /. so I can meta-moderate the Firehose. I am amazed at how many advertisements show up...MOST of them are advertisements. The inundation never stops.

      So, if you dislike the advertisements, hop over to the submissions page and start killing some adverts. I've gotten to the point that I ask myself "Is this person trying to sell something?"--if the answer is even a vague yes, they get voted down without further thought. I don't care what the product is...

      This particular ad is not only selling a book, but the entire book is trying to sell you shit you don't need in your kitchen. Not only that, the author has used many marketing tricks such as combining statements like "That's Stupid" and "I want one!".

      Marketing 101. Get it off /. by meta-moderating. Only YOU can do this...

  4. Remote thermo microwave oven by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are good remote thermometers. Combine one with a microwave oven so that it scans your food, and dials back the power if hot spots occur, and stops cooking when a predetermined temperature reached.

    Plus, a pot stirring robot. Just put a spoon in the robot's hand, grab the arm and show it how to stir the pot. Then tell it to repeat the action. Bonus points if the spoon has a thermometer in it to alert you to your pudding boiling.

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    1. Re:Remote thermo microwave oven by Russ1642 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Used magnetic stirrers in labs all the time. I don't know why they aren't standard on every stove.

  5. Re:Almost nothing... by mcmonkey · · Score: 2

    The one thing I can think of that would be useful is a shopping list- scan a bar code when you use up an item, have it synch to the cloud, and be able to see the list on your phone when you shop.

    You haven't thought that idea through. Or read TFS. Yes, it would useful when generating a shopping list. But no, it's not very useful when you have to scan every item as you unpack your purchases.

    As is it, you can very easily do this now, with current technology. There are USB bar code scanners. There is software for inventories. In fact, I'm guessing you (and most of the /. audience) have all the hardware and software for this application now--on your smart phone. There are many bar code readers that use a cell phone camera as a scanner.

    So why don't you do this? Why don't you scan the bar code of every item in your kitchen to create an inventory. And scan every item as you use it. (For most items, you'd want to trigger the item to appear on your shopping list before you run out.) And scan every item as you unpack after shopping?

    There's no (technological) reason you couldn't do this today. You don't because it's a huge pain in the butt.

  6. Not much more than I already have by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

    This probably has something to do with enjoying cooking, so for me there's very little incentive to automate more than we already do. I mean, we have gadgets to:
    - chop just about anything quickly
    - slice just about anything quickly
    - peel vegetables
    - open cans really easily
    - time absolutely everything
    - clean the dishes afterwords
    - turn the oven on while you're not even in the house so that the casserole will be finished just as you're getting home

    What's left that isn't better handled by people?

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  7. Re:durability by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Aside from something to look up recipes, unit conversions, etc....I can't really see the use or need for 'connected' tech in the kitchen on something that is so inherently manual..?

    How are they doing to use tech to improve:

    Knives

    Pans

    Gas Burners

    Meat Grinder

    Food Processor (I like to pulse by hand and stop when MY eye says it is done to my liking

    Piston Sausage Stuffer

    Stand Mixer

    Vitamix Blender (ok, on this one I got the model with the extra programmed modes, and find I only use those to clean the thing with after using it)

    Breville Ikon Juicer (how will it know what food I'm putting in next in order to adjust the speeds?)

    Charcoal Grills

    Offset hardwood smoker

    I mean seriously, if you like to cook and have the right tools for things, it is almost pretty much manual work by definition. Will I somehow resort to the cloud when I want to cut a whole chicken quickly into 8 pieces?

    And for the often mentioned refrigerator or pantry that will know when to order food or an item when it gets low...how is it going to know what I'm cooking that week that I'll need that? I mean sure there are SOME staples, but I tend to look weekly at the grocery store ads, see what's on sale (usually also meaning what's in season), and I plan my menus and cooking plans accordingly, based on those ingredients. This keeps me eating more things in season, and hence, US and more local products that are fresher, and I don't get stuck in a rut cooking the same things all the time, and saving a few bucks along the way while eating well and healthy.

    Don't get me wrong, I LOVE tech and gadgets, but I just can't see how it would improve the kitchen. Quality knives and cookware make the kitchen...

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  8. Recommended Recipes by DaKong · · Score: 2

    It occurs to me that I don't use the food I have that efficiently. If I want to cook a specific recipe, I go out and get those ingredients. Sometimes I have leftover ingredients. Sometimes I wind up with random things I can't think of how to use until they go bad and I throw them away.

    So a useful feature in my kitchen would be an engine that would know what ingredients I have and how much, and what yummy recipes I could make with them that night. Even better, have that engine suggest recipes based on my likes & dislikes the way that Pandora or Spotify or Netflix recommend new songs or movies based on your preferences. For bonus points, have the engine be able to figure out how to re-use the leftover pork ribs from two nights ago into a new and different recipe (that is not soup :-)

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  9. Closed Loop Kitchen by DaKong · · Score: 2

    Philips had a concept called Microbial Kitchen a while back which included lights powered by methane as well as a stove that burns methane generated by composting kitchen waste. Devising appliances that cleave to that closed loop philosophy would be great.

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  10. Re:durability by pepty · · Score: 2

    In the spirit of less is more (but still gadgety): How about instead of a fridge that needs to have inventory scanned in and out just like a grocery store, one with a couple of wide angle cameras inside which you could activate from your smart phone while you're at the grocery store?

  11. Re:durability by tftp · · Score: 2

    I do my research from my recipe database, which is synced to my phone. Usually this is while having lunch out somewhere.

    It would be more efficient to do this research at home, where the supplies are. Because no sensor, outside of many-$K models, will tell you if this or that cheese is still edible. It's not just it's not moldy yet - you also need to consider if it is dry like a rock. (Dental implants cost more than a new bar of cheese.)

    Cameras will not peer through the glass of bottles with herbs and will not tell you how much is remaining. It is a challenge to measure the remaining volume even if you are in business of making sensors for huge tanks full of stuff. Making a sensor that is cheap enough to be disposable is not possible with the current technology and the current wallet of an average customer.

    And no, I won't re-buy smoked paprika and white pepper when I use them up, "just in case" I make a recipe that requires them again in the next year.

    I see. You are unwilling to spend $3 on a bottle of pepper that is always usable and lasts forever, but you are ready to spend hundreds of dollars on technology that will not last more than a few years and will not be sufficiently reliable from day zero.

    Large warehouses do maintain incremental inventory records by integrating input and output. But periodically they have to close the doors of the warehouse and to count everything, to reset the calculations. You can do the same - keep track of additions and expenses, and from time to time you open the cabinets up and physically check how much sugar is in this box, how much vegetable oil is in that bottle, and so on. I cannot think of a technology that would report all that while being so cheap that you can afford it. Food is too numerous in kind and too variable in state, shape, color, smell and every other parameter.

    If I had room to space things out, pan and zoom cameras would be awesome.

    Perhaps you need a fisheye camera and a LED light source inside the cabinet (or the refrigerator.) If you want it, why to deny yourself this toy - go ahead and build it! I do such things all the time (the WAF in this house is unbounded.)