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Site Copies Content and Uses the DMCA to Take Down the Original Articles

First time accepted submitter ios and web coder writes "From the article: 'A dizzying story that involves falsified medical research, plagiarism, and legal threats came to light via a DMCA takedown notice today. Retraction Watch, a site that followed (among many other issues) the implosion of a Duke cancer researcher's career, found all of its articles on the topic pulled by WordPress, its host. The reason? A small site based in India apparently copied all of the posts, claimed them as their own, then filed a DMCA takedown notice to get the originals pulled from their source. As of now, the originals are still missing as their actual owners seek to have them restored.' This is extremely worrying. Even though the original story is careful not to make accusations, I will. This sure smells like a 'Reputation Defense' dirty trick."

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  1. If this can happen ... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this can happen it points to the fact that the entire DMCA process is utterly broken and open to abuse.

    No proof is required on the side of the claimant, but the accused can immediately lose their stuff.

    This is a side effect of a process which was designed by content owners to get stuff taken down with minimal effort and red tape. It has the effect of random idiots being able to take down stuff without any oversight.

    What needs to happen is the content owners need to have some higher burden of proof that they are the copyright holders, and that there's real infringement going on.

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    1. Re:If this can happen ... by Zeromous · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sorry, clearly the most important thing is that content producers which actually generate revenue can continue doing so the moment a DMCA request is actioned. Money does not want or have time for your petty notions such as 'proof' or 'oversight'.

      Every moment of delay collecting such lawful claptrap is money out of my (ahem, I mean) content producer's pocket and lost taxes out of your government coffer, Dear congressman/Senator.

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    2. Re:If this can happen ... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No proof is required on the side of the claimant, but the accused can immediately lose their stuff.

      A few survivors of home invasions have reported that the killers break in and shout, "Police! This is a raid! Get on the floor with your hands behind your back!" or something similar before executing their victims.

      Now there's an example of a hopelessly broken authentication system - that the same government sets up something similar for duplication of text is hardly surprising.

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    3. Re:If this can happen ... by Shagg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only purpose of the DMCA though is to bypass the courts and due process. Rather than pass another law to make the DMCA process require courts and due process, you'd be better off just getting rid of it.

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    4. Re:If this can happen ... by mrops · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sounds like Anonymous can have loads of fun with this and point out the ridiculousness of DMCA. Few dozen anonymous activists can create havoc and force congress to think the law again.

      Of fun times.

  2. Guilty until proven innocent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We really have to start requiring the DMCA takedown notice sources to bring the burden of proof, or this will just become business as usual. Particularly as you don't even have to be resident in the country to abuse the system.

    Alternatively, HUGE fines for incorrect takedowns and use of the perjury provisions for submitting an incorrect takedown notice need to be assessed / used. Actually, in a just world, this would be in addition to requiring burden of proof from the takedown notice source.

    Nothing less than our entire culture is at stake.

  3. Re:Indians in a nutshell by johnncyber · · Score: 5, Interesting

    now what you have to hope is those indian doctors/engineers didnt do the same on their exams

    Sadly as somebody who is a CS graduate student at a university whose CS graduate program is dominated by Indian students, I can tell you that this is absolutely the case. They see no problem with cheating, even after the professor has told them that he knows they are cheating and explains the consequences. Doesn't matter if it was homework, projects or tests they always cheat.

  4. US Presence by Luthair · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To me this indicates that DMCA claims need to have some sort of US presence; the only disincentive for abuse of the DMCA is the potential for lawsuits for invalid claims, if the claimant doesn't have a US presence then they're entirely free from reprisal. Leo Laporte has frequently mentioned that foreign companies spuriously claim copyright on his Youtube videos in order to run ads on his content.

    Perhaps DMCA ought to even require registering for copyright as a minimum for filing take down notices.

  5. May we burn her? by TheAngryMob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "She's a witch...I mean copyright violator!"

    Different century, same methodology.

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  6. Re:Anti-DMCA activism? by stephanruby · · Score: 5, Informative

    Could this also be a case of anti-DMCA activism, where someone is fabricating this scenario just to demonstrate how abusable the system is?

    No, it's an Indian medical researcher who hired a reputation management company to downplay the fact that he was thrown out of Duke for lying on his resume and falsifying cancer research results.

    Of course if it's not, I'm sure this will give some people that kind of idea.

    There is no need for activism in that area. Using a DMCA request for trying to take down content that affects your reputation is a very common tactic. Most of the time, it doesn't do anything because the content is posted by back up after a little while.

    In this case however, the reputation management company was smart enough to post duplicated content first. This means that the primary content may be dinged automatically by the google bot as a plagiarizer if it thinks the content was posted in India first, and so the google ranking of that content may be permanently affected as a result. Hopefully, the google bot is smart enough to figure out what truly happened.

    Either way, because of the Streisand effect, I wouldn't want to be that Anil Potti right now.

  7. Re:Why would the originals be missing? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    um, missing from their website, where else?

    Actually, the key here, is that it's not missing from their website. It's missing from Wordpress' website. They don't have a website of their own. If they did, then they (not Wordpress) would have been the one who received the DMCA notice, and the decision to pull or keep the "infringing" article would have been in the hands of someone with actual knowledge of the situation, rather than a frightened fold-by-default middleman.

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  8. Re:Well, maybe the Indian site will end up on /b/ by gnasher719 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The real problem we should be focusing on is the "takedown first, ask questions later" approach.

    But that is handled already. The site takes down the material and asks questions later, because that is exactly what they need to do to be involved in any copyright lawsuit. On the other hand, the lawmakers realised that this opens the door to mischief, and therefore sending a DMCA takedown notice when you are not the copyright owner or their agent is a criminal offence that can put you into jail. If India has similar laws to the USA, then there is a good chance that a request for extradition would be successful. If not, then these guys from India better never travel to the USA.

  9. That explains it! by drainbramage · · Score: 5, Funny

    I always wondered how the Indian's got to North America first, now I know they cheated.
    Back in school they told me it was because they had reservations.

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  10. Wasn't this...? by camperdave · · Score: 5, Funny
    This covered in The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy:

    One of the major selling point of that wholly remarkable travel book, the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, apart from its relative cheapness and the fact that it has the words Don't Panic written in large friendly letters on its cover, is its compendious and occasionally accurate glossary. The statistics relating to the geo-social nature of the Universe, for instance, are deftly set out between pages nine hundred and thirty-eight thousand and twenty-four and nine hundred and thirty-eight thousand and twenty-six; and the simplistic style in which they are written is partly explained by the fact that the editors, having to meet a publishing deadline, copied the information off the back of a packet of breakfast cereal, hastily embroidering it with a few footnoted in order to avoid prosecution under the incomprehensibly tortuous Galactic Copyright laws.

    It is interesting to note that a later and wilier editor sent the book backwards in time through a temporal warp, and then successfully sued the breakfast cereal company for infringement of the same laws.

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  11. Re:Indians in a nutshell by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In my experience it's only the top caste Indians that habitually cheat. They feel it's their right. In some American schools that might be all the Guptas.

    Back in India their parents would send a lower caste boy to school with their son as a 'helper'.

    Over hear the trick is to hire the former 'helpers' not the 'Top Brahmen'. I flush them out during interviews by pretending to be a Eurotrash blue blood. That always gets the brahmen to out themselves, with talk of how important their family is. I then don't hire them.

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