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Finnish Anti-Piracy Site Pirates Thepiratebay Content
An anonymous reader writes "Finnish copyright lobby TTVK Ry (which earlier ordered the artist promotion site The Promo Bay to be censored as 'thepiratebay subpage' before later admitting that it's legal, and also got the police to confiscate a 9-year-old's Winnie-the-Pooh laptop on suspicion of having illegally downloaded a single album) launched an anti-piracy website: http://piraattilahti.fi./. The site closely resembles The Pirate Bay, and if you take a closer look, you'll notice that CSS has been directly copied from thepiratebay.se, complete with the original site name in comments (http://piraattilahti.fi/css/css.css, pastebin mirror). Of course, one interesting question is: how on Earth did they manage to pirate The Pirate Bay content, considering that they managed to get court orders for major ISPs to censor access to The Pirate Bay?"
"They are ABOVE the law !"
UPS Sucks
The Pirate Bay doesn't host pirated content, but these anti-piracy guys do. Interesting.
I guess links to http://piraattilahti.fi/ are links to pirated content.
I'm sure if TPB asked them nicely to take down the infringement, they'd comply. No need to make a big issue out of it.
... because the best way to show people that copying IP is wrong is to copy their IP.
Does Finnish law has an equivalent to the DMCA? Because it would be hillarious if they sent a DMCA takedown notice to the hosting provider of http://piraattilahti.fi./ ...
The main picture is a span that says "The Pirate Bay".
Also, the ship doesn't look like it's really sinking, I guess they just took a random picture of a ship and tilted it.
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There is an interview in finnish newspaper from Antti Kotilainen Executive Director of TTVK ry http://www.iltasanomat.fi/digi/art-1288540010300.html
Translated interview:
TTVK ry Executive Director Antti Kotilainen, so why it happend like this?
– In here we are trying to educate and tell people that there are legal options
But the webpage is copied from The Pirate Bay. When you check pages source code you can see the original refences to the Piratebay.
- If you see something in there, then we have to see what we are going to do. That is what we are looking for, so the people would start to use legal services
So what kinda message are you sending? Isn't there some ideological problem when you are copying from copyers?
- There is no ideological problem. If you watch carefully then you can see that there is a picture of sinking pirate-ship.
So what are you going to do to the page? Are you gonna leave it as it is?
- I don't know the technology so good that I can comment on that question.
now this is a creative derivative work to promote TPB
Poor chap, you are clearly humor-impaired.
They say that legal content is just a click away (google translate). Not true TPB CSS was one click back.
The ironing is delicious.
How hard is it to press the "." key once in a while?
The concept of "fighting fire with fire" is little more than an extension of tribalism. At that point, you're no longer sticking to altruistic standards but simply advocating a formless "us vs. them."
How a request from a lobby group means the police will investigate and seize your equipment with no proof. Just a request.
And as a sugar coating on top, they will say that it would be easier to just pay up the ransom you got in the mail from A LOBBY GROUP.
>Of course one interesting question is, how on Earth did they manage to pirate thepiratebay content, considering that they managed to get court orders for major ISP's to censor access to thepiratebay?
No; not interesting, and certainly not worth the breathless hyperbole.
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Where's the Slashdot effect when you need it?
The Internet is pathetically boring. Slashdot sucks.
In best Russian accent.
"Pirated" a CSS file? Scraping the bottom of the barrel with this one?
take and claim ownership and then distort.. I.e. how many companies has MS absorbed this way?
It's not his fault though. There was an automobile accident when he was just a wee tyke. Poor fellow never had a chance - his humor bone was crushed against the dash of the car he was riding in!
The copyright cartels insist that TPB is only used for piracy and everyone who retrieves from TPB is necessarily a pirate.
These people then go to TPB (bypassing the ruling they demanded to block the site) and downloaded stuff from TPB.
By their own PR, they are now pirates.
A. It's Rhetorical. We all know the answer. B. The fact that we all know the answer makes the question humorous.
Whenever a player quits EVE to go play WoW, the Average IQ of both games increase.
Yea, it's called a black list redirect.
Whenever a player quits EVE to go play WoW, the Average IQ of both games increase.
One could clearly do that, but the identification would need to be by, as you said, IP address. And that's not specific to an individual...certainly not over a long period of time. Static IP addresses almost don't exist any longer (unless you are using v6). And if an ISP uses a NAT, then it would hit the customers of that ISP almost at random.
IOW, yes, you can, but it's a really bad idea.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Above the law? They are the law!
Given kopimism, it doesn't seem to be copyright piracy - though what with Kotilainen dodging like hell in the interview, the antipiracy folks might not actually realize that ;)
What it is, however, is defrauding the visitor into entering search terms under the pretense that it's the actual Pirate Bay. Could be worse, at least it's not phishing for personal information, but they do get a list of IPs with entered search terms (often for something you'd rather the antipiracy folks wouldn't know).
So, let me get this right... If I put a winnie the pooh sticker on my laptop and claim it belongs to my kid, copyright law doesn't apply to me. CSS takes as much time and effort to produce and is as directly profitable as movies, and that there aren't other ways to access the pirate bay.
Is it a slow news day? Honestly this just seems like an attempt to dig up new dirt on the media cartels. And it comes across as pretty desperate.
I'm not sure what analogs Finalnd may have, but this would be a prime target for a DMCA takedown request with 3 side dishses of irony.
It has been pointed out that due to the Pirate Bay page being under Kopimism, there is no infringement. This turns out not to be quite true.
Ville Oksanen, cofounder of EFFI (the Finnish version of EFF) and a lawyer specializing in technology and media law, comments as follows: "In Finland you cannot give up your moral rights and Matti Nikki's parody-judgement was based specifically on violaiton of moral rights. I think that TPB just issues a sarcastic reaction but technically TTVK ry is indeed likely to break law here."
Moral rights can come into play when material is used in opposition to the moral standards of the original authors. Parody is not at all protected under the strict reading of the law, though in practice there is some (yet weak) protection under a supreme court ruling.
So yeah, there is every reason, even with a recent similar case with a guilty verdict, to think that the Finnish version of copyright law was indeed broken by the good antipiracy folks. At the very least they're operating on extremely gray area, which is not very flattering for their ilk either.
Ville's Google Plus post: https://plus.google.com/u/0/103784989123292634015/posts/XeLSWAjcCLw
So they think it's okay to do it to others, but not themselves.
That was humerus!