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Lew Rockwell: Ron Paul Not Using the State or UN to Control RonPaul.Com

New submitter sbulut77 writes with a follow up to accusations Ron Paul is using the UN to gain control of ronpaul.com. "Lew Rockwell explains the RonPaul.com issue. There is so much misinformation on this topic, his blog is very welcome. His blog entry is pretty short and well-written please read the blog post directly." From the article: "Ron is not calling on the UN. ICANN has four approved arbitration organizations. Because the RP.com guys registered Ron's name in Australia, the international arbitration option must be used. Yes, it is associated with the UN. Too bad, but one must play the cards one is dealt. The UN itself is not involved, though note — whatever else is wrong with it — the UN is not a State."

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  1. So he is not using the UN, just the UN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just admit to being a hypocrite instead of playing semantic games.

    1. Re:So he is not using the UN, just the UN by jythie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sadly it is pretty much the only way to keep the mythology alive... gotta take advantage of all those systems while still putting on a facade of being against them. So it is not that he is using a system that he claims to be against just because it suits him when negotiations failed to produce the deal he wanted... no, it has to be rephrased to sound like he has no choice...

      This is little more then 'I believe in the free market, unless regulation gives me a better deal, then I am not actually using regulation because.. look a squirrel!'

    2. Re:So he is not using the UN, just the UN by ByOhTek · · Score: 5, Informative

      You sound like one of those people who cannot grasp and handle (the admittedly imperfect) reality.

      He was offered (a) an option to buy the site, for, given that it's a political site, quite a reasonable sum (and anyway, free market, who cares if it's reasonable, if it isn't, it doesn't sell!) and (b) the option to have free use of the site/domain as long as it remained in control of the original owners.

      He was offered the same options he get in the free market (possibly better than the free market, since then they wouldn't necessarily have the threat of interference), yet he uses the option that he wouldn't have in the free market, that he's always rallying against. I'd say the GP has this pretty spot on.

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    3. Re:So he is not using the UN, just the UN by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      her response was something like, "I don't think this should exist, but I'm taking what's mine."

      And with that one sentence she undid every single argument she stood behind. Had she truly held those beliefs, she would have proclaimed "i won't take SS because it's not mine, it is someone elses and they should be able to keep it". Instead, she responded "i will take SS because as long as someone else can get something for nothing, why the fuck shouldn't I?"

    4. Re:So he is not using the UN, just the UN by Desler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So as was pointed out, she was being a hypocrite. This would be like claiming to have been an abolitionist yet owning slaves and saying "Oh well, the system allows me to do so". It's fucking bullshit.

  2. Re:dishonest twat by ByOhTek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not to mention, he is implying that forcibly taking the domain from the group is his only/primary option, whereas they did give him a price (and a not-exorbant, given the circumstances one at that) to take it, or the option of a very large degree of use/control for free.

    He's got shreds of honesty, but they are negative valued.

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  3. This Is Beyond Inane & Changes Nothing by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Okay so I read this rebuttal and I stand by my earlier position.

    From my understanding, the group made a good faith offering of ronpaul.org to Ron Paul for free but wanted $250,000 for the commercial ronpaul.com in order to recoup the work and effort they put in. On top of that, I see nothing malicious, untruthful, slanderous or libelous on ronpaul.com -- quite the opposite! So this is how capitalism works, I have something you want and I have come to own it by legal means so it doesn't matter if it has your name on it or not. I'm sure they could drum up another person out there named Ron Paul if you want to play that game. Now, with all that said, the only option in a libertarian world is to either pay that sum, get a different URL or tell your followers to stop going to ronpaul.com. Turning to any -- and I mean ANY -- higher power to subvert that desired price is, by definition, appealing to a governing body to impose some form of regulation. And the only reason is to subvert the sale and tendering of cash from your hands to the party who has due ownership and control. Ron Paul says "Property rights are the foundation of all rights in a free society." And this is a directly contradictory action to that maxim whether he is a private citizen or not.

    Ron is not using the State to acquire RonPaul.com. He could have brought a lawsuit in US government courts, but he did not.

    Just because you use another arm or governing body instead of the official United States government does not mean you aren't using the State.

    He is seeking to have ICANN enforce its own rules against cybersquatting, including the rule against registering a famous person’s name and making money off it.

    Wait wait wait. I'm confused. You see, you're using the R word and your calling it a "rule" but I think the word that Ron Paul and most libertarians like to use is "regulation" and then they spit because it leaves a dirty taste in their mouth. What is the difference between rules against cybersquatting and government regulation? What is the difference between the New York Times using Ron Paul's name to sell newspapers and this site printing facts about him to make money? This isn't about what is right and wrong, this about the convenience of owning a domain. Ron Paul even has a different official domain, is this site parading around purporting to be the official Ron Paul domain? No? Then what exactly are your allegations?

    Anyone registering a URL agrees to keep all the rules, just as he must pay a recurring fee. A URL is not private property in the normal sense. It is a license, and ICANN is a private, non-profit organization.

    Wrong, ICANN was created to assume their responsibilities under a United States Department of Commerce contract. Haven't you been following the news where the rest of the world wants the US to give up control of ICANN? They act on the US Government's behalf. And in a libertarian world there would be no rules. Money and the free market would set the rules. In a free market you would have a whole bunch of different DNS registrars and lookup services. You could pick whichever one you liked the best. They would be for sale as entities. Big corporations could just pay them to change their DNS records to point resolution of weaker companies to their websites. When you typed in a URL it could go wherever the money tells it to go and if you don't like that, you might change to OpenDNS or someone else -- if they exist. But everyone has a price in a libertarian world. Rules are regulations and regulations are bad in a libertarian world. End of story. Rules ruin the free market. Regulations ruin capitalism and they are a hallmark of socialism.

    Ron is not calling on the UN. ICANN has four approved arbitration organizations. Because the RP.com guys registered Ron's name in Au

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  4. No change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Title should still read:

    "Libertarian unwilling to pay market value for property, asks for government help."

    All the semantic wrangling in the world can't get you out of the fact that Ron Paul is going to have to realize that his infantile political philosophy just doesn't work in the real world.

  5. Re:Put the straw man away by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can't call someone a hypocrite for following the same rules everyone else is currently following.

    Yes you can, if it's something he has said was morally wrong.

  6. Re:Put the straw man away by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except he should have done it 5 bloody years ago when they first started the site. He should have registered the domain names himself (or not let them expire). He should have negotiated with the owners for the domain names. Instead, he waits until a community is established and he can get no further benefit from the people who did the grassroots support of his 2 presidential campaigns and then uses the state (rather than private law, or you know, capitalism) to size the domain. Yes, Ron Paul is a hypocrite, yes he's acting like an absolute ass, yes he most likely has the legal advantage, but that doesn't change the fact that this is morally wrong.

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  7. Not enough Libertopian novels for you! by sirwired · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you read the SF novels detailing life in Libertopia, you'll find that, as if by magic, citizens voluntarily donate enough of their income to feed, clothe, and house those that are poor through no fault of their own. They purchase, build, and staff a full parks system out of the goodness of their hearts.

    They are willing to lay their lives down, free of charge (and provide weapons and ammo, no less!) for their country/planet/space station. Everybody is cool with the idea that murder is a civil matter to be dealt with by heirs, who will gladly pay for the investigation. (And, by unspoken extension, if you don't have any heirs that like you, your life isn't worth $hit.) As long as you can pay the economic damages for your doings, well, you can pretty much do whatever you want.