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New Medal Designed To Honor Cyber Soldiers

bios10h writes "The Boston Globe writes that the Pentagon is creating a new medal to honor cyber soldiers. '[The] troops who launch the drone strikes and direct the cyber-attacks that can kill or disable an enemy may never set foot in the combat zone. Now their battlefield contributions may be recognized with the first new combat-related medal to be created in decades. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced Wednesday that the Pentagon is creating a medal that can be awarded to troops who have a direct impact on combat operations, but do it well away from any combat zone.'"

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  1. Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does it start out bronze, silver, and then gold? And do you get a platinum one if you collect all of the other medals?

    1. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah, it is just one medal that has a digital meter that continually updates your gamerscore.

    2. Re:Let me guess by Scoldog · · Score: 5, Funny

      When you get the platinum medal, it also unlocks new countries to fight in and new and improved drone weapons

      Not only do you have to kill a certain amount of people (civilians, enemies, womp rats, whatever), you also have to do pointless tasks like do 15 barrel rolls in a row with a drone to earn certain medals.

      Anyone else?

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    3. Re:Let me guess by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Hemorrhoids

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    4. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Too bad it's just another Free-to-Play turned Pay-to-Win. If you want to have any chance at making the leaderboards you need to spend some money on proper kit: Faster target acquisition software, cluster munitions, engine boosters. This is not good for competitive gameplay and several influential clans are considering dropping out.

      To combat this trend, the US Army stated on their official blog that they are considering opening a marketplace with vanity items instead, like custom paint jobs and "death-tunes" you can play to your unsuspecting victims just before you bomb them (Apocalypse Now style, yeah!)

      I also heard a standalone expansion is in the works - it's called "X-51A WaveRider" and has already been postponed after a game-breaking bug has been found in the beta version.

    5. Re:Let me guess by lemur3 · · Score: 3, Informative

      ACTUALLY..

      the drones like the predator rely on satellites for control.. .. this actually means that if the pilot turns too sharply (which the drone allows him to do) he can lose contact with the satellite and.. therefore, control..

      doing a barrel roll is very unlikely!!

      i imagine 'losing control' of the drone because you turned its little satellite dish away from the sat probably wont get you a medal... well, perhaps some Iranian guy may get one!

    6. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      ACTUALLY..

      the drones like the predator rely on satellites for control.. .. this actually means that if the pilot turns too sharply (which the drone allows him to do) he can lose contact with the satellite and.. therefore, control..

      doing a barrel roll is very unlikely!!

      That's why it's worth more points.

      10 pts Performed a barrel roll
      15 pts Completed a training mission
      25 pts Completed a combat mission with an all female (or male) squad
      50 pts Killed 20 enemy commanders in 20 minutes
      100 pts Completed campaign in hard mode
      200 pts Killed an enemy at the same time as chatting with them in an online chat room

    7. Re:Let me guess by backslashdot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uh, the drones have built in autonomy to handle losses of communication. We'd be losing mad drones if that wasnt the case.

    8. Re:Let me guess by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      How do you get a purple heart? Maybe from getting callouses on your palms from...the joystick?

      From the exploding console, when the enemy destroys your drone and the feedback causes an overload in your plasma circuits.

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  2. Err ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't the whole point of medals to reward someone for putting their life on the line to protect their country?

    I'm sure these drone pilots are doing a good job and all but I wonder how their life could possibly be on the line in a nice cushy bunker somewhere.

    I suspect this medal may well end up being called a Clayton's medal, the medal you get when you're not getting a medal.

    Captcha: evasion: something drone pilots don't have to worry about too much :-)

    1. Re:Err ... by pushing-robot · · Score: 2

      Say what you will, but I think the recipients will consider it an Achievement.

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    2. Re:Err ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Isn't the whole point of medals to reward someone for putting their life on the line to protect their country?"

      No. The point of medals is recognition for service. The military awards plenty of medals that have nothing to do with combat.

    3. Re:Err ... by hairyfish · · Score: 2

      I thought the Purple Heart was a cop out (who gives a medal for being shot?), but a medal for putting in absolutely zero risk takes the cake. The purpose of medals is to inspire courage, bravery and loyalty, this is just devaluing the system. They may as well call it a participation medal.

    4. Re:Err ... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Isn't the whole point of medals to reward someone for putting their life on the line to protect their country?

      Don't you know anything? Video games need achievements now. But an achievement like "blew up children with drone" only pays out 10 gamerscore, it takes "personally shot up people trying to defend their country" to get the big numbers.

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    5. Re:Err ... by caffiend666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not all awards are for risking ones life. Some, like the Army service ribbon are given simply for completing training. Some medals are given for achievements not necessarily related to heroism, like the Army Commendation Medal. Technically speaking, people are risking their lives to complete basic training, though.

      Although there are no significant physical risks in fighting remotely, these service members are still going through significant stress and risking PTSD in their jobs. Yes, 'it's like playing a video game'. But there are real lives on the line, there is no pause button, and possibly endless days doing a single task. Doesn't matter if it's just pushing buttons in an airconditioned room, they lose sleep and their sanity just the same. Not to mention watching films of people dying, the ones they just killed.

      I've read of facebook image filterers suffering from PTSD and depression. Now, imagine if those image filterers had to decide not just whether to block the image, but also whether to kill the people in the pictures.

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    6. Re:Err ... by Hans+Lehmann · · Score: 2

      Military medals were created to honer a soldier without actually spending any significant portion of the King's treasury. It's so much cheaper to hand out a trinket that costs a few dollars than it is to actually give a performance bonus to those that risked their lives.

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    7. Re:Err ... by deimtee · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Claytons" was a spirit style drink that didn't actually contain any alcohol. ie, you could drink "Claytons and Soda" or "Claytons on the rocks" all night and still drive home. It was targeted at designated drivers and others who couldn't drink but still wanted to socialise.
      They ran a massive ad campaign for a few years in Oz - "The drink you have when you're not having a drink" and it became a generic (mildly insulting) term that implied something wasn't real, or didn't have the content it should have.

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    8. Re:Err ... by voidphoenix · · Score: 2

      Any Campaign or theater Medal. You showed up to work somewhere unfriendly (though even Antarctica has one)

      Antarctica is very unfriendly. You could die just by not dressing right or by standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. And then there's the penguins...

  3. Re:A Terrible Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "... for those too chicken shit to face combat."

    Like you?

  4. Order of Precedence by anglico · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you want to give out a medal for flying a drone, fine, I don't have a huge problem with it as long as you're great at it. What really irritates me and a lot of other service members is it's ranking in the 'order of precedence'. What I've read is it ranks above some combat medals, specifically the Bronze Star, which is really pissing off the 'boots on the ground' troops and I don't blame them for being mad.

    1. Re:Order of Precedence by elucido · · Score: 2

      If you want to give out a medal for flying a drone, fine, I don't have a huge problem with it as long as you're great at it. What really irritates me and a lot of other service members is it's ranking in the 'order of precedence'. What I've read is it ranks above some combat medals, specifically the Bronze Star, which is really pissing off the 'boots on the ground' troops and I don't blame them for being mad.

      But the nature of combat is constantly changing. Ground troops are still important but their role is going to become less important over time. In the future there will be robots used in certain roles where ground troops are used now. The drone operators and cyber warriors will eventually be the main role.

  5. will they play this when awarding it? by Pax681 · · Score: 4, Funny
  6. Stress by Baldrake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Christian Science Monitor had an interesting piece a while back on the stress of remotely participating in combat:

    At the end of the day, these pilots get in their cars and drive home to their families, mow the lawn and make dinner, or take their children to soccer practice.

    The result is an "existential conflict" in some UAV pilots, says Col. Hernando Ortega, surgeon for the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance Agency. It is "a guilt feeling, perhaps – or a 'Did I make the right decision?' " he explains." 'Was this a friendly fire incident? Was it a good outcome? Was it a bad outcome? Could I have done it better?'"

    It's obviously not comparable to driving a LAV in convoy wondering when the next IED is going to detonate. But it appears to be a much tougher job than many of us would think.

    1. Re:Stress by AHuxley · · Score: 2
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    2. Re:Stress by Mitreya · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... stress of remotely participating in combat

      The result is an "existential conflict" in some UAV pilots, says Col. Hernando Ortega, surgeon for the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance Agency. It is "a guilt feeling, perhaps â" or a 'Did I make the right decision?'

      Mayhaps part of the problem is that some of the drone-related operations are so blatantly wrong that soldiers who are executing them must feel the inevitable guilt. Not "was it right or was it wrong?", but "why did I just kill a group of civilians on purpose?".

      For example, an attack on the funeral procession of "militants" killed earlier in the day
      (quotes around militants are added by me, since at least nowdays that is defined as "adult males")

  7. Purple Mouse by nick_davison · · Score: 4, Funny

    Isn't the whole point of medals to reward someone for putting their life on the line to protect their country?

    That, sir, is un-American thinking. Those brave young men and women put their carpal tunnels on the line for you every day and they haven't even been granted a Purple Mouse in recognition.

  8. Medals for everyone! by jcr · · Score: 2

    Coming soon: the Unquestioning Obedience Citation, awarded for not caring about legalities like declaring war.

    -jcr

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  9. Medal Saturation by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 2

    I served 6 years in the Air Force - no heroics, didn't dodge any bullets, but I did my job to the best of my ability. I left with a box full of of medals and citations that promptly went into the dumpster. Why? Because they were awarded every time I sneezed into a hanky and not into someone's face, for showing up to work on time sober...things that I was duty-bound to do anyway.

    The military has joined the rest of American society in giving out awards for everything, for everyone, because we are all special.

    If someone did a really good job, great - give them a pay bump or something. If someone did something truly exceptional, honor them by not giving the least competent slob in the unit the same award just because he bothered to show up two days in a row.

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  10. Way more stressful than you think.... by craznar · · Score: 2

    When in the field, a soldier gets stressed out - sure, however they get to use much of the innate stress mechanisms humans and animals have of fight or flight.

    When sitting behind a computer screen in an air conditioned office - much of the stress is still there however there is no mechanism for management.

    Just ask an air traffic controller if they think their job is easy - now compound that by actually having to kill people.

    Personally - I think these guys probably don't need medals, they probably need lots of counselling.

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  11. Re:Combat isn't about guts. by ApplePy · · Score: 2

    anyone who kills or risks being killed for the US Constitution should have our respect.

    I do not think the people who will do that are the people you think they are.

    As it stands, soldiers do what they're told. Their orders come from Congress (theoretically) and the president (currently), neither of which give a flying fuck about the Constitution.

    Today's soldier is no less the gullible young testosterone-laden hellion than any soldier of the last umpteen-thousand years of history, and no less prone to penis-waving and patriotic bullshit. The only rule of history that never changes... is that we never learn from it.

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  12. Re:A Terrible Idea by rtb61 · · Score: 2

    Having been an army volunteer I can assure, soldiers will look upon those who wear that badge with total and utter contempt. After hours in the boozer those known for that badge will likely have to face off against those that volunteered for front line combat units.

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