Slashdot Mirror


Tesla, Ford, Amazon Hint At Cloudy Future For Cars

Nerval's Lobster writes "The automobile, once the most analog of technologies, is rapidly becoming a smartphone on wheels: Amazon announced Feb. 13 that Ford SYNC Applink-equipped vehicles will include the Amazon Cloud Player, allowing drivers to access their music libraries via voice command or dashboard controls. Ford isn't the only automotive company seeking to integrate cloud computing into the driving experience. Tesla Motors' Model S electric sedan boasts a 17-inch capacitive touch-screen in place of the usual dashboard buttons and dials. And who could forget Google's self-driving car? This isn't a future everybody wants—there are more than a few wannabe Steve McQueens who won't feel complete unless they can stomp on a pedal connected to an internal-combustion engine, flick a physical dashboard knob to the radio station of their choice, and peel out their driveway in a cloud of burning rubber. But as the latest technology migrates into automobiles, it could well be the future we're going to receive."

20 of 231 comments (clear)

  1. Cloudy future! by bunbuntheminilop · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh! I see what you did there!

  2. Yea, I like a physical knob by Osgeld · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it doesnt move depending on what mode my screen is in or require me to look to change the volume

    1. Re:Yea, I like a physical knob by afidel · · Score: 4, Informative

      I agree with this 100% and it's one of my biggest pet peeves about modern head units, onscreen displays are really unsafe. The one thing I want more than hardware buttons though is a single hardware button that tells my smartphone over Bluetooth to listen for a voice command, I don't want a head unit with built in apps that will be dead long before the 10-12 year typical car life, I want a standard way to use my more or less disposable smartphone.

      On a related topic, when do we get voice control of Amazon cloud player for Android/iOS?

      --
      There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
    2. Re:Yea, I like a physical knob by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree with this 100% and it's one of my biggest pet peeves about modern head units, onscreen displays are really unsafe. The one thing I want more than hardware buttons though is a single hardware button that tells my smartphone over Bluetooth to listen for a voice command, I don't want a head unit with built in apps that will be dead long before the 10-12 year typical car life, I want a standard way to use my more or less disposable smartphone.

      This, this, a thousand times this.

      Touch screen units require me to take my eyes off the road.

      Also, I drive a car built in 2006, the stock head unit doesn't even have a USB port, I have to use this archaic device called a "Compact Disc" to transport music. I'm half surprised I'm I dont need a stone tablet.

      How the hell do Ford/BWM/GM et al know what technology I'll want in a car 10 years from now. With my 2006 Integra, I can replace the head unit with minimal fuss (well as soon as I find a wiring loom for it) but BWM are integrating the head unit into the car. With BMW you dont have to worry so much as they'll keep making updates (and installing them onto old Bimmers for a not so modest fee) but the likes of Ford and Hyundai? Hyundai dont give a shit about the i30's they sold last week, let alone an Elantra they sold 5 years ago.

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    3. Re:Yea, I like a physical knob by kombipom · · Score: 4, Informative

      Those kinds of controls have all moved to on-the-steering-wheel buttons. And presumably most of the controls are going to be voice activated soon, via all this fancy computing you seem so opposed to (on /. FFS).

    4. Re:Yea, I like a physical knob by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yea, I like a physical knob

      That's what she said.

      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
  3. Re:Cloud by BlueParrot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To be honest I would trust amazon more than the average driver.

    The main issue is probably privacy, but the internet is doing a good
    job of getting rid of that anyway.

  4. Yet another thing to update by HWguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Except most of the manufacturers won't want to expend the effort to keep their old products up-to-date. Look forward to drive-by hackings of your buggy car firmware. And new web technologies relegating your $60k+ car to the status of a 5 year old PC.

  5. No one will own cars by brillow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What they are really afraid of is the fact that once cars become self-driving, no one will need to own one anymore.

    Technology is actually upended the business model of the entire autoindustry. They might innovate themselves right out of business.

    I mean seriously who cares about cloudplayer in a self-driving car? If it can drive itself I'll just leave my earbuds in.

    The most common vehicle in 10 years will be the autonomous Dodge caravan, taxiing us all around. Rich people will have maybe their own auto-Bently's or something, but the rest of us will just share a car.

    1. Re:No one will own cars by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The bureaucrats hope you are correct. It will be much easier to control people who do not have their own means of transportation that allows them to go where they want when they want. In the world you envision, you will only be able to go to places that the cars are programmed to go to and only when they are programmed to allow you to go there. That world would be distinctly divided into three classes: the elites, who for the most part can go where they want and get to decide where the second class are given access (these would be mostly government functionaries); the common folk, who are expected to meekly accept the limits established by the elites; and the criminal class, who hack the transportation system (or pay someone to do it for them) in order to go to places that are otherwise off limits to them.
      We would get there incrementally.

      --
      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
  6. Re:Cognitive science by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It already costs a good amount to get, for example, a basic replacement temperature control knob thing, whatever the hell the proper name for it is. I don't want to know what a 17" touchscreen will cost, even a decade into the future, just to get your fan/heater/AC controls working again. I really do not like the way cars are heading; even without the cost, who says I want all this bullshit? Seriously, the more computerized they make cars, the more revolting they get.

  7. Re:Cognitive science by capaslash · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I agree. Cell phones and texting and all that jazz is making crashes more common. It's killing people, literally. It's as bad as driving drunk, some people have said. I just bought a '12 Civic Si and I plan on driving it for 10+ years, so I don't have to worry about tech ruining my ride. Stick shift n' clutch all the way, baby. Electronic doodads are just a sideshow anyways. The real advancement in automobile tech will be whatever energy source dethrones these godawful fossil fuels we use to power vehicles.

  8. Re:Cognitive science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Entirely unrelated: the more digital cars get the more unreliable they will become.

    You realize cars have been almost completely computer-controlled for about a decade? Digital isn't to be equated with unreliable, bad design is.

  9. Re:Touchscreen dashes in cars by AaronW · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have played with several touch screen interfaces on cars. I am most experienced with the one in my 2006 Prius. I have also played with them in the Fisker Karma and the Tesla Model S.

    It depends on how the touch screen is implemented. The touch screen in my Prius is actually fairly well designed, with most of the important buttons on the edge of the screen. The distraction caused by it is fairly minimal. When playing with the Tesla model S I noticed that they did something similar. The buttons are also fairly large and generally around the outside edge and many of the controls can easily be assigned to the steering wheel.

    I have seen other cars where the touch screen is unusable (i.e. the Fisker Karma). The touch screen on the Fisker Karma is horrible and creates a lot of distraction since the buttons are tiny, inconsistent and the screen is very hard to impossible to see during the day. In order to use it one must spend a lot more time looking at it and the buttons are hard to impossible to hit while driving since they are small and have to be hit exactly. It's an accident waiting to happen.

    At least with my Prius and the Tesla there is also voice input as well, though it is somewhat limited in my Prius and Tesla's is still under development from what I understand. My Prius also has good steering wheel support for most common functions so I rarely need to access the touch screen for things like the radio and climate control.

    Even the touch interface on the Navigation system on my Prius is generally well thought out. My biggest problem with the touch screen on my Prius is that there is sometimes noticeable lag. When I played with the Tesla there was no lag.

    On the Tesla one can easily assign different tasks to the steering wheel with no more distraction than looking at the speedometer since the menus are placed to the sides of it. On the Tesla the navigation map is also displayed just to the left of the speedometer as well so one doesn't have to look at the main display.

    As far as cloud support, users have already figured out the interface to use Tesla's cloud services in order to access the car, including downloading real-time data. Users have also started creating web based applications for the Tesla. It also looks like Tesla is using the QT toolkit for their touch screen if the web browser identifier string is any indication.

    --
    This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal.
  10. Re:This will end badly by kwerle · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's some impressive FUD you've got going, there. But that's all it is.

    http://www.usacoverage.com/auto-insurance/how-many-driving-accidents-occur-each-year.html

    And if it’s all summed up in a yearly basis,there are 5.25 million driving accidents that take place per year. Statistics show that each year,43,000 or more of the United States’ population die due to vehicular accidents and around 2.9 million people end up suffering light or severe injuries. In a certain five year period, there had been recorded a 25% of the driving population who encountered or were involved in car accidents. It is also affirmed that car accidents kill a child every 3 minutes.Statistics on the number of car accidents taking place in every state or country is normally based on medical or insurance records filed.

    But you're right, I'm sure. People are /such/ good drivers. There's no way we could improve on those numbers. It's probably not even worth trying.

  11. Re:Dude by Cenan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Road deaths happen mostly to idiots and whomever they hit, and this is cleaning the gene

    There fixed.
    On another note, how about we start this cleansing with you?

    --
    ... whatever ...
  12. Obsolecense by kombipom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The biggest problem I see with these systems is very rapid obsolescence. You'll generally replace a phone or tablet a lot more often than a car. There should be a standard port to attach a tablet to and the car manufacturer can offer software for all the major platforms, or you can choose to use something else. Instead we seem to be getting a bunch of built in tablets running code that we have no control over and can't replace. Is anybody sorting this out?

  13. Re:Cognitive science by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not just the touchscreen either as it'll be a whole assembly, which certainly will not scale in the consumer's favor 10 years after the car was built.

  14. What I want.... by willy+everlearn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just want a plain AFFORDABLE electric car. 100 miles a day on an over night charge. $20000 or less. What is so hard about that?

    --
    No hour on a horse is ever wasted. Winston Churchill
  15. Re:New cars suck by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am an experienced mechanic who loves old cars. Your post is bullshit.

    Those cars were simple, pretty, unreliable, maintenance-intensive, and did a fine job of killing their passengers in a crash. Their brakes were garbage (front drums, single master cylinders) which is why brake shops in mountainous areas were a common sight.

    Your post is nonsense and deserves no respect. I grew up working on those rides. It's no accident that many modern owners update them so they actually steer and stop.

    Feature bloat is not necessary, but sells cars. I can and do work on my modern vehicles and don't pay anyone else to wrench them. The way to repair modern vehicles reasonably is the same as ever. Use good parts from salvage with a few new bits as needed. I've built many cars and trucks for a used car lot where we did this. It's standard. I'd rather bolt on factory parts as assemblies to save time and labor, so salvage rules.

    I'm disgusted with "mechanics" who won't learn modern systems. Modern hot rodders take full advantage of improved ignition control and fuel management, so there is no excuse for snivelling.

    Modern CNC production methods are what make TODAY the new Golden Age of performance. It's cheaper and easier to maintain your beloved antiques than ever before. The aftermarket has plenty of support for whatever you want to do.

    I'd get off your lawn but I can't find it and suspect it's located in Atlantis.

    --
    "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."