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The IIPA Copyright Demands For Canada and Spain

Dangerous_Minds writes "The International Intellectual Property Alliance (IIPA) is demanding a number of countries be placed back on the special 301 piracy watchlist. One country being recommended for inclusion is Canada (PDF). Apparently, even though Canada passed copyright reform laws, any compromise to protect consumers is reason for inclusion. Michael Geist offers some analysis on this move. Meanwhile, the IIPA is also recommending that Spain be included in the watchlist. In a separate filing, the IIPA makes a host of reasons why Spain should also be included. One of the main reasons seems to be that even though Spain passed the Sinde Law in spite of protests, the courts aren't simply rubberstamping any takedown requests and that cases that were dismissed due to lack of evidence is cause for concern. Freezenet offers some in-depth analysis on this development while noting towards the end that the Special 301 report suffers from credibility problems."

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  1. Michael Geist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is this Michael Geist guy the only person between the Intellectual Property goups and the people of Canada?

    It seams that if he was out of the picture there wouln't be anyone else in canada who gives a shit.

  2. IIPA by benjfowler · · Score: 2

    The Sinde Law is already about as popular as a fart in a spacesuit in Spain, and is incredibly unpopular.

    But then, if these cocksuckers want to double down and make themselves even MORE unpopular, then let them -- they deserve all the bad karma they're generating for themselves.

    1. Re:IIPA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed, and since when do international and undemocratic syndicates have the authority to dictate National law and policies. Is no government in the world sovereign, for the people, by the people, of the people it represents?

    2. Re:IIPA by fredgiblet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Silly. It's by the coporations of the corporations for the corporations. You need to the get the new revision of the handbook.

    3. Re:IIPA by diegocg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is no government in the world sovereign, for the people, by the people, of the people it represents?

      In theory yes, Spain is sovereign. But so is America. If Spain decides that pirating is OK, i guess that Americans can restrict/boycott Spanish IP commercialization.

      In the real world, issues like IP protection need worldwide collaboration. Everybody wants their own IP protected, and in order to get that they need to protect the IP of other nations. It's necessary to find a balance, and if every nation listened only to their own citizens, they would never find one.

    4. Re:IIPA by fredprado · · Score: 2

      Sure, but very little from Spain income comes from IP, and a huge part of US income comes from IP. Furthermore Spain depends very little on US at all. It could very easily say fuck off and let US do its worst. US would be the more damaged party by far if this went all the way to commercial sanctions.

    5. Re:IIPA by c0lo · · Score: 2

      Good work, IIPA, keep it that way please.
      Nothing like a good list showing the countries that are interested the freedom of their citizens more that the financial interest of some companies which make a title of honor from minimizing the contribution to the society of those countries (a.k.a. the tax avoidance).

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    6. Re:IIPA by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's a counterbalance. First you had the Axis of Evil, now you have the Axis of Freedom. How do we apply?

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    7. Re:IIPA by turbidostato · · Score: 3, Informative

      "If Spain decides that pirating is OK, i guess that Americans can restrict/boycott Spanish IP commercialization."

      Problem being that Spain never decided that pirating is OK. Heck, Spain even sent war ships to Somalian waters to fight piracy.

      And no, Spain is not in favor of IP violations either, but that doesn't mean it has to be Disney's shill which is what this IIPA 301 list is all about.

    8. Re:IIPA by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      In Spain we already pay a tax on all computer media (SD cards, hard disks, etc) which is supposed to go to the copyright cartels.

      Isn't this enough? Are they going to refund all that if we switch to a different set of laws?

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  3. An IP isn't enough evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So unless they come up with actual proper evidence, they can suck it. Some of our ISP in Canada are actually fighting for their consumers, unlike in the US.

    1. Re:An IP isn't enough evidence by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

      It's nice to see for a change, although it's really only the small providers like TekSavvy that are standing up for consumers. Even if there is evidence of illegal activities, there are already laws in place to deal with it. The problem is that for a media corporation, due process is 'inconvenient' and cuts into their profits.

    2. Re:An IP isn't enough evidence by Maow · · Score: 2

      It's nice to see for a change, although it's really only the small providers like TekSavvy that are standing up for consumers. Even if there is evidence of illegal activities, there are already laws in place to deal with it. The problem is that for a media corporation, due process is 'inconvenient' and cuts into their profits.

      I agree and just wanted to add my "Thanks!" to TekSavvy for providing excellent service at a good price, and for standing up to the copyright brigade of bullies.

  4. Terrorist Organisations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Terrorism: the use of violence and intimidation to achieve political goals.
    Lobby your congressman to get IRAA, MPAA, IIPA classified as terrorists.

  5. IIPA's newspeak by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Statements issued by the Attorney General in 2006 de-criminalizing infringing distributions of content by P2P networks continued to have ramifications in 2012, having led to a halt in criminal enforcement actions against illegal file sharing. Circular 1/2006 from Spain’s Office of the Prosecutor-General (Attorney General) argues that unauthorized uploading of copyright protected materials over the Internet, including via P2P systems, is not subject to criminal action under Article 270 of the Criminal Code unless such acts are “for commercial profit”, and that unauthorized downloading must be considered an act of private copying.

    So, judging from this, for IIPA, "illegal file sharing" does not actually mean "things that are outlawed and prosecuted in respective countries", it simply means "things we don't want other people to do".

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    1. Re:IIPA's newspeak by Kjella · · Score: 3, Informative

      So, judging from this, for IIPA, "illegal file sharing" does not actually mean "things that are outlawed and prosecuted in respective countries", it simply means "things we don't want other people to do".

      Well at least in the US you have civil and criminal copyright infringement, so it can be infringing without being criminal. As I understood it in Spain downloading is considered an act of private copying which is legal, but it sounds like unauthorized uploading still is illegal, just not criminally prosecuted unless it's for commercial profit. I'm sure they would have formulated it differently if all non-commercial file sharing was fully legal, you could set up huge, legal, non-profit seeds in Spain.

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  6. The purpose of trade treaties by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is no government in the world sovereign, for the people, by the people, of the people it represents?

    It happens when a country's elected representatives use their treaty power to give up some of the country's sovereignty in return for other countries agreeing not to impose prohibitive import tariffs on products from that country.

  7. Re:Translates to by icebike · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IIPA having childish temper tantrums again, can't we just ignore them? or at least get the US government to ignore them?

    Wouldn't putting THEM on a watch list be more effective?

    Publishing the home address, email, phone numbers, street view links of the CEO of each company that is a member, as well as each representative they send to these meetings? Maybe outing the meeting locations, and times?

    If these bozos think its fair game to try to intimidate entire countries, why is turn-about not fair play?

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  8. Can Belgium be on the list? by houghi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am from Belgium and I would think it to be an honor to be on the list with other countries that are more interested in the freedom of their people then the wealth of their US owned music companies.

    An honor to be on the list. I hope that many other countries will get on that list, so it won't be a privilege.

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  9. Population US 315,341,617 vs Canada 34,880 by future+assassin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    By those numbers the amount of piracy in the US should be higher by quite a bit. Hell California has 38,041,430 people. 4 million more than Canada.

    Who the fuck are these retards kidding and why the fuck do they get to go around slandering other countries when their backyard is dirty as hell. The countries on the 301 list should do a proper study and create an nice official site stating the piracy rate in the US vs them.

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    1. Re:Population US 315,341,617 vs Canada 34,880 by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apparently last time Canada was on the list, it was at the backroom REQUEST of Canadian officials so they would have a "reason" to push anti-privacy- um, uh, I mean anti-"piracy" laws. I highly doubt our country's leaders will try to explain why we are on there this time.

    2. Re:Population US 315,341,617 vs Canada 34,880 by Phrogman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, our Conservative government under Harper is just looking for ways to justify draconian anti-privacy legislation. They are more than willing to do whatever the Copyright Goons (tm) ask them to do. Asking to be put on this list is just then seeking another false justification for restricting our rights, restricting or eliminating our privacy etc.
      Harper would really be quite happy as a dictator I think. He already rules his party with an iron hand, and the Conservatives have already ensured that scientists (who receive any funding from the government) doing research cannot talk about it with the media - or publish their results - without getting government approval, particularly if the research has anything to do with climate change.

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  10. To Which I Say: Ahoy! by rueger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Every time a story like this pops up I find it impossible to not fire up Bittorrent, visit the Pirate Bay, and download something that the entertainment mega corps have already made a gazillion dollars selling.

  11. Re:It's easy to get a positive mod by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure you can TRY to follow a business plan by doing it that way. However if that business plan fails, do not blame the people, blame your business plan.

    After I'm dead the family can decide what to do with it all.

    So they should be able to get some rights and turn that into money, just because you are a dead relative? What have THEY done?
    First you say it is about the individual copyright holder if he is maker of whatever the copyright is on and now suddenly somebody who has NO part in the process of the making and might not even have been born at that time is suddenly allowed to have a say in the matter.
    Still you think THAT is ok, but a company is evil? I see no difference in what you are saying and what the 'evil companies' are saying.

    You have chosen your side. Unfortunately you can not have the cookie and eat it too.

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  12. Canada eh? by kawabago · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well we're putting the IIPA on our watch list of robber baron copyright trolls! It's time to take our culture back from greedy entertainment conglomerates! It's our culture and we should be able to use it any way we want to once a song has fallen down the charts, maybe a year after release. How do you like them apples IIPA? Yes you can buy laws, but we can band together and have them changed to suit us.

  13. Re: "this Michael Geist guy" by macraig · · Score: 2

    "this Michael Geist guy"

    The first you're hearing of Michael Geist just now, huh? I sincerely envy your man-cave. The isolation is nearly perfect. Faraday would have been jealous.

  14. From Canada ... by Rudisaurus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dear IIPA,

    Go fuck yourself. Thank you.

    Sincerely, Canada

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    1. Re:From Canada ... by Scarletdown · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dear IIPA,

      Go fuck yourself. Thank you.

      Sincerely,
      Canada

      At least give them a choice.

      Dear IIPA,
      In regards to your recent demands, please take one of the following actions:

      1 - Go fuck yourselves
      2 - Fuck off
      3 - Piss off
      4 - Eat a box of dicks
      5 - All of the above

      Cordially,
      Canada

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  15. Re:It's easy to get a positive mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Having to post Anonymous so my employer doesn't get my login credentials:

    I'm sorry, but...you're a writer? If your post exemplifies your work I would not pay to read it and you couldn't pay me enough for me to crack the book open. Tip: The white space is just as important to clear conveyance of message as the text itself. It's the reason we have paragraphs.

    More to the point you are writing about: If you write an enjoyable story that I don't have to expend large amounts of energy on reading comprehension, and it's a story that fits into what I'd want to read in the first place, I have no issue with making sure the writer gets his due... Publishers on the other hand...they leave a very bad taste in my mouth.

    -Ravenlrd20k

  16. Re:It's easy to get a positive mod by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it takes me six months to a year to write it why am I expected to work for free and the readers expect to be paid for their time?

    You're not expected to work for free. Produce the novels or don't; it's entirely your decision and your decision alone. The readers may expect to be paid for their time when someone asks them to complete a job, but that situation is simply not the same as someone deciding to produce a novel and people later deciding to copy it and distribute it without interacting with the one who wrote it at all.

    but how do the readers benefit when writers fear publishing their work?

    For that matter, how are you benefiting from all that unpublished work?

    but what's wrong with letting the market decide?

    Indeed, but what does that have to do with government-enforced monopolies like copyright? Almost nothing, in my opinion.

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  17. Re:It's easy to get a positive mod by syockit · · Score: 2

    I know capitalism is a foul word but what's wrong with letting the market decide?

    The readers is/are the market. So they will decide.

    You writers suffering is probably because of the publishers. So work out with the readers on how to deal with the publishers. Or create your own channels for distributing your works. Maybe you can learn something from how a minor group of Japanese people sells their stuffs.

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  18. Re:It's easy to get a positive mod by realityimpaired · · Score: 2

    Piracy is a problem for the famous artists, not really a problem since they're rich and famous already

    You're making the mistake of assuming that famous artists are automatically rich and famous. I don't think you understand how badly the record labels get their tentacles into the artists themselves... case in point, the song Black Velvet, by Alannah Myles, was released on her first album in 1989. The song was a #1 hit in the US and top 10 on pretty much every chart around the world. Over the course of her career, she was hit for over $7million in "expenses" for the production of her 3 albums, and as a result, even though that's one of the most overplayed songs on the radio, she didn't see her first royalty cheque until 2008.

    In other words: even though she was an international mega star, she had to stop making records in order to start making money.

  19. Re:It's easy to get a positive mod by foniksonik · · Score: 2

    I'll give you a hint. Look at most sci-fi today on iTunes. The authors explicitly chose no DRM. That is not the same as no copyright of course but it does mean that they both respect and encourage fair use rights.

    These are also best selling authors. What that means when combined with a lack of DRM on their eBooks is that they are rolling in cash despite the ability for anyone to pirate their book (for distribution or for consumption).

    How is it that these authors can make a great living and yet you seemingly can not?

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