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Google Looks To Cut Funds To Illegal Sites

rbrandis writes "Google is in discussions with payment companies including Visa, MasterCard and PayPal to put illegal download websites out of existence by cutting off their funding. If Google goes ahead with the radical move, it would not mark the first time that illegal websites have been diminished or driven out of business by having a block put on their source of money."

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  1. AKA Google drives Bitcoin Into Mainstream use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thanks Google/banks for killing your own model and building the strength of your sucessor.

    1. Re:AKA Google drives Bitcoin Into Mainstream use by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't worry, the RIAA are going to sue them for patent infringement.

    2. Re:AKA Google drives Bitcoin Into Mainstream use by Artraze · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Once upon a time there was this thing "innocent until proven guilty" which meant that stuff wasn't declared in violation of the law until that violation was argued and confirmed. People had a right to a defense. Think that's going to happen here? Or is this going to be 'shoot first, ask questions never' like the rest of internet enforcement? How many fair use sites will just have their money stolen from them (usually when these sorts of decisions happen, they also take any owed money for the last payment period... usually a month) without any ability to argue their case?

      Also, keep in mind that 'illegal' in these sorts of cases very often means more like 'things we don't like' and will intentionally sweep up any not-even-gray zone stuff that they don't want to deal with. Hosting an image board / cloud storage / video share? Except to be black listed the moment some troll posts something illegal no matter how fast the mods pull it down or even if you comply with the DMCA.

      (And if you don't believe me, see how funding was cut for WikiLeaks, despite the fact that publishing classified material is not a crime. Publishing certain secrets can be, but was that proven before funding was cut? Nope. As I understand it, despite their best efforts, they still have yet to find anything illegal about WikiLeaks's behavior.)

    3. Re:AKA Google drives Bitcoin Into Mainstream use by horza · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A think a lot of us didn't take Bitcoin seriously until we saw what happened to Wikileaks. The incredible power of VISA to simply cut off global funding to any entity at a keystroke with zero accountability to anybody. Whereas prior the idea of Bitcoin would be seen as "too much effort", a lot of people could now be pushed into giving it a try.

      Phillip.

  2. Not a Fan by jmrieger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it's left up to one Government to determine what is and is not an illegal site, this is ripe for abuse. Or, what if Google decides that a site (lets say, Mega) is illegal, when in fact it's not?

    1. Re:Not a Fan by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or wikileaks...

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  3. Who decides what's illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google? This is why Bitcoin is necessary. We can't continue having commercial entities controlling the money flow.

  4. This is a really bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who decides what website is illegal? A website that may be deemed illegal in one country may not be in another.
    This was the case with WikiLeaks and how their funding was diminished. The same would be the case with phone unlocking sites fro example.

  5. youtube by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't Google making money via advertising on youtube with all the posted videos that are infringing on copyrights?

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  6. Sounds like the Judge Dredd method by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From TFA:

    the plans, still in discussion, would also block funding to websites that do not respond to legal challenges, for example because they are offshore.

    So, if the "legal challenges" have a basis in fact, why not use existing laws? Sounds like a mechanism to make American laws apply to everyone in the world. And they don't even have to prove guilt, just send a threat from a lawyer, which is rightfully ignored, then Google pulls the plug on the site's income, site erased.

  7. Make piracy non-profit again by concealment · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think this could be great, and have unintended consequences that end up strengthening piracy.

    By driving out the for-profit pirates, you restore it to the hobbyists, who tend to have high standards and be somewhat fanatical.

    This will probably damage piracy of the vapid "big media" movies, music, etc. but will enhance piracy of niche markets and specialty genres, which will strengthen those through the "try before buy" principle among those who are likely to buy them anyway, if they like them.

    Google's policies have already somewhat achieved this model. Some of the best piracy for music at least is through Youtube these days. They take down the big acts, but you can find lots of obscure and older material (full albums) with a simple search.

    In many ways, this is the resolution between pirates and industry. Industry gets to protect its big money makers, which if pirated result in a loss of profits because they are only purchased for a short term (novelty value). Pirates get access to the vast breadth of information available that isn't in that single protected category.

  8. FUD Campaign continuing by openfrog · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have mod points, but not finding anyone questioning this source... Have you RTFA? This is The Telegraph! There is no source cited AT ALL. You don't know who said what in which context. Nothing.

    Microsoft has hired the CEO of Burton-Marsteller with the official function of spreading FUD on Google.

    But frankly, this sounds more like this comes from The Onion... Nobody here questions sources anymore?

  9. Difference between "currency" and "legal tender" by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Legal tender" is anything the government says it is.

    "Currency" is anything two or more transacting parties say it is. "Goodwill," "reputation," "an understanding that if I do this for you, you'll do something for me later," and the like are all "currencies" in this sense.

    In a more tangible sense, soldiers in WWII used unopened packs of cigarettes as currency, even though it had no legal backing whatsoever. In some American cities, street people have used bus tokens and other useful items that could later be exchanged for a needed good or service as currency, again, without legal backing.

    I'm not ignoring your last sentence, but until or unless Bitcoin-holders attempt to seek the same status for Bitcoins that non-domestic sovereign-backed currencies have, I don't think there will be a problem. From a legal standpoint, bitcoins are more analogous to limited-edition art prints, where "limited" is a very high finite number and where everyone has the ability to, with some expense on their part, create new prints until the limit is reached. This is only a legal analogy, in practical terms Bitcoins are a lot easier to transfer than a paper art print.

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