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Security Firm Mandiant Says China's Army Runs Hacking Group APT1
judgecorp writes "The Chinese government has been accused of backing the APT1 hacking group, which appears to be part of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA), according to the security firm which worked with the New York Times when it fell victim to an attack. The firm, Mandiant, says that APT1 is government sponsored, and seems to operate from the same location as PLA Unit 61398." Unsurprisingly, this claim is denied by Chinese officials. You can read the report itself online (PDF), or skim the highlights.
I would be surprised to learn of any major military power today that DOESN'T have a cyberwarfare division (and god knows how many government contractors doing it on the sly). This only exposes something publicly that every security researcher has known for over a decade.
What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
I was so excited when I got my first wireless router a number of years ago that I used to check the in/out listings daily. I did not care too much about unauthorized access (who would want to monitor me?) so I just chose the Netgear defaults. I quickly found out that a number of DAILY accesses were from somewhere in China. They were not from the same places in China, but they were from China nonetheless. I quickly made the security corrections. Fortunately they do not seem to get in now. Emphasis on the words "seem to".
posting anon for obvious reasons. I work for a very large tech company, and we've been trying to remove these bastards for years. YEARS. But the admins still click on cutepicture.exe in their email, and the devs always open the malicious Confidential2012salaries.ppt.... so it's like one big game of whack-a-mole. When we get more effective, sometimes we can maintain a dry environment for a good long time. Other times they throw serious resources at us and we get flooded, sometimes even tracing malicious action to short-term contractors physcially working in the US. It's like a swarm of locusts, picking through every bit of data with commercial value. I think one thing that escapes many US/EU security people is the scale of the PRC effort. When you have tens of thousands of people at your disposal, and update your overall plans every 5 years, it's never "a hack." If you do anything they're interested in, they're in your house.
But two alternate realities persist:
1. The Chinese government will continue to vapidly claim that attribution based on years of solid data are "unfounded and irresponsible" accusations. It is difficult to understand or engage with an adversary on any constructive level when their government consistently spouts predictable juvenile lies.
2. Our/your PR & legal people will steadfastly refuse to discuss the long-game nature of the Chinese intrusions, and deny they started 2-5-10 years ago and persist to this day. (We got a good chuckle out of the NYT assertion that the intruders entered only a few months ago, and that they have been eradicated from the network. I believe their corp lawyers said that. Any tech who believes either assertion it is a fool.)
With the advent of modern weaponry, overwhelming numbers of troops being a tactical advantage became a thing of the past. No longer could you simply overwhelm your foe with bodies. One small unit with heavy machine guns or a tank or air support could take out much larger opposing forces who were not as well armed. We now see this situation reversing itself. China has an over abundance of warm bodies and they can easily throw many more people at cyber-warfare and cyber-espionage than we can. Other than gradually moving more infrastructure off the public internet and blocking massive swathes of IP address space, I don't see any solution to this that won't be so cost-prohibitive that we end up bankrupting ourselves (more) to fend them off. Even blocking IPs doesn't work now when they control botnets in our borders. The battle lines are continuously obscured. How can you defend when there is no direction to defend from? Even moving infrastructure to private networks is complicated as there is great cost associated when you need to move data or tasks to and from the public internet. China isn't going away, and they have no incentive to stop trying to hack our systems. We have nowhere near the manpower it would take to respond in kind and doing something like Stuxnet on them would likely backfire or escalate beyond our control. Maybe that escalation is the only solution. It's scary.
While there's no doubt that there are hundreds of thousands of hackers in China (not surprising given the population there), and there is little doubt that many of them are going to be hacking the "Big Bad" (i.e., the U.S.), this is mostly a PR campaign for Mandiant and Richard Beitjich.
Beitjich has been bitching and moaning about China for years now. He won't be satisfied until the US is at war with China - not cyberwar, REAL war.
The problem is multiple:
1) First, there is my "security meme" which should be engraved on everyone's forehead:
"You can haz better security, you can haz worse security. But you cannot haz 'security'. There is no security. Deal."
This means there is no way to keep hackers out of your networks, given the state of the software and telecommunications industries in terms of software development. There is no secure software (short of some specific stuff used by the DoD - and I'm not sure about thee, as the saying goes) and no secure infrastructure. What one guy can make, another guy can break. This is history.
The consensus in infosec today is that the best you can do is try to detect a breach, react to it and contain it so the enemy doesn't get everything it's after. All attempts at "preventing" hacking are utterly futile.
2) Cybercrime is a "growth industry". It's where the narcotics industry was back in the first half of the 20th Century after the anti-drug laws were passed. It will continue to grow until the software and telecommunications industries change their development practices - and based on human resistance to change, this won't happen until cybercrime is ubiquitous and governments and corporations are nailed to a wall of loss.
3) As we used to say in Federal prison, "I hope you don't like it. What are you going to do about it?" i.e., China is a nuclear power. They have 200 or so nuclear warheads. So what is the US going to do to stop Chinese hackers from spying? Bomb them? Threaten them with trade sanctions and start a trade war - with China owning trillions of dollars of US debt and is the US biggest trading partner? The days are gone when the US can just stomp on countries they don't like. Iran is giving the US the finger over the sanctions on it. How much less is China going to be affected?
Finally, I view this whole situation as "leveling the playing field." This is related to 2) above. The U.S. has used its military and economic clout for a hundred years to overwhelm and push countries all over the world around. What is happening now is that the chickens are coming home to roost. The U.S. "intellectual property" (an oxymoron at best) regime is being looted - as it should be.
So nothing is going to change for at least the next decade, maybe two decades.
So as my meme says: Deal.
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