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Large Corporations Displacing Aging IT Workers With H-1B Visa Workers

New submitter genericmk writes "NPR is running an interesting story about the unfortunate status of the aging programmers in the IT industry. Older IT workers are opposing the H-1B visa overhaul. Large corporations want more visa, they claim, because of a shortage of IT talent. However, these companies are actively avoiding older, more experienced workers, and are bringing in large volumes of foreign staff. The younger, foreign workers are often easier to control, and they demand lower wages; indentured servitude is replacing higher cost labor."

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  1. "Shortage" by v1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Large corporations want more visa, they claim, because of a shortage of dirt cheap IT talent"

    There, ftfy

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  2. 52 years old.... by edmanet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And I really thought I'd be in management by now. But I really hate meetings.

  3. one solution by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they allowed H1B visa holders to find other jobs, then this wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem, because employers wouldn't be able to force them into indentured servitude. If they were able to find other jobs, their salaries would rise to the level of their ability.

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    1. Re:one solution by cob666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If H1B visa holders were allowed to find other jobs then there is no point in issuing H1B visas, just issue s regular work visa. The whole point of the H1B visa is to allow companies to hire people for skilled jobs that they are unable to fill with local talent. They are by design short termed and extremely limited in scope so the visa holder must leave the country when the visa has expired.

      Widening the scope of the H1B visa shouldn't be an option. I'd like to see H1B visas become even MORE restrictive. Cut the number of H1B visas issued, shorten the term, limit the number allowed per company. In fact, I'd also like to see something implemented where once a visa issued for a company has expired they can't apply for another visa for a certain length of time, also require companies applying for H1B visas to fund programs to train people for the skill they are applying for visas for, something in the ballpark of $50K per year per visa. Would accomplish two goals, would guarantee that there is training for skills that are obviously in demand and would make bringing in H1B workers more expensive, thus possibly forcing companies to hire locally again.

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  4. Older IT staff = Higher expected pay by eksith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's just a race to the bottom in terms of dollar amount spent on manpower. It's basically outsourcing without having the workforce overseas.

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  5. This would go some way in explaining... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been observing a downward spiral in quality of web applications, sites and services for some years now. Old school programmers/developers wouldn't make some of the bone-headed mistakes I keep encountering. How can we suddenly have so many incompetant people doing this work? Easy - they know how to write code, but do not have the wisdom to avoid drop-through logic, non-intuitive interfaces, extremely fragile code, etc.

    Gotta be a mill somewhere, cranking out code monkeys who are paid by the deadline, not but the quality of their work.

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  6. job based health care hurts haveing older people by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    job based health care hurts having older people work for companies.

  7. And this is a reason why so much software sucks by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course not everybody older is actually better. Older folks that have refused to learn will be on par or worse than the younger people. But older folks that have kept up are invaluable. True, young programmers can generate a lot more lines of code for the same price, but once you take quality into account and things like design and architecture, most code by young programmers sucks badly. Not their fault, but quite a bit of experience is required for good coding. Unfortunately, incompetent management cannot understand that (and most management is incompetent with regard to IT). What would be needed is something that other engineering disciplines have mastered: Qualification levels, and required minimum qualification levels of personnel used to protect you from becoming liable for software failures. While this may sound old-school, there really seems to be no other way. If electricians were the mixed bag that "programmers" are, houses would burn down all the time and many people would die from electrocution.

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  8. Re:Not indentured servitude by kidgenius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is a form of bondage though, as those workers have no freedom to move to a different company on that visa. They are tied to the company. Therefore, they have to accept a lower wage because there is no threat of them leaving for a competitor.

  9. MBAs ruining business by Chemisor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And the clueless MBAs strike again. Business school graduates forget that the basis of capitalism is capital, not short term profits. You build capital when you care about the company sticking around for a long time, when you intend people to buy your products because of the reputation of your brand, and when you genuinely care about making the world a better place one awesome toothbrush at a time.

    MBAs on the other hand, only care about the company's survival until the next bonus time, believe that people will only buy something if they are tricked and brainwashed into it, and have no interest or knowledge of what the company actually produces.

    And when you do not care about the products you make, why would you want talented employees to make them? If quality is irrelevant, all you need is a bunch of cheap warm bodies to make whatever garbage marketing can sell. It is amazing how fast you can ruin the economy when you only intend to stay on your job until the company dies, rather than until you retire from it.

  10. Re:Greedy Upper Management. by SwampChicken · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Easy fix. Large corporations simply to sack all their high-priced execs and get some H-1B visa ones. They'd save a *lot* more money from there than from IT...