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Debian Project Releases 7.0 "Wheezy" Installer Candidate
An anonymous reader writes "The first release candidate of Debian Installer 7.0 Wheezy was released this week. Debian 7.0 is set to introduce a number of new features including optional systemd support, a real-time Linux kernel option, UEFI installation support, and the Debian Installer now supports WPA/WPA2 wireless networks. More Debian 7.0 features are listed on the Debian Wiki and the 7.0 RC1 installer can be downloaded at Debian.org."
Update: 02/21 16:12 GMT by S : Changed headline and summary to reflect that it was the Installer release candidate, not the distribution.
This is the Debian Installer, not Debian.
As a DD, I was shocked slashdot knew before me.
I love you Debian! OMG I can't wait for it to be out finally, been running it as unstable for aaaages! Gimme gimme, I want!
This is RC1 of the debian installer, not of the wheezy distribution.
I swear to god if you keep posting articles that are links to Phoronix I'm going to firewall off your site and never visit again.
How about you link to the real source (mailing lists, official Debian website) instead of sending traffic to Michael Larabel's bullshit ramblings about LOONIX NEWS that he can't even properly comprehend let alone summarize 95% of the time.
Beheaded
Someone has humour.
Welcome to "far from the bleeding edge". If you want the latest and greatest cutting edge technology, get Ubuntu where you can have all the cool toys like Unity and the Dash.
Even the Phoronix article clearly has "Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" Installer Release Candidate 1" See that? INSTALLER!
Stop degrading Slashdot with misleading headlines!
A 'singular oddity' is an event that cannot be explained and only happens when you are alone.
I don't think you understand the Debian philosophy. It's not "latest and greatest". It's "so stable, Archimedes could stand here to move the whole world"
Wheezy was George Jefferson's wife on the Jeffersons. This is an installer to install back episodes of the classic sitcom on your linux PC.
Post stuff that is wrong in order to generate more page hits from people trying to correct the Slashdot "editors".
Oh, wait, that's been the strategy all along.
WRONG wrong wrong WRONG wrong wrong WRONG wrong wrong WRONG wrong wrong WRONG wrong wrong!!!!!!!!!
Timothy, what the fuck are you doing?
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
fire timothy. fire timothy NOW.
This guy has a valid point.
Stop posting link farm bull crap Timothy and get the dam summary right.
And counting. Wake me up when http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ hits under 20.
slashdot does not publish so many articles everyday. Probably less than 30. How difficult is it to actually RTFA before publishing the summary and title?
You installed Wheezy for a school, and sound didn't work?
First, Wheezy is a testing distro, I wouldn't install it unless I really needed something in it. In this case, I did install it (and like it) but, I did it because I couldn't get sound to work under the stable distro, not the other way around.
So you are willing to run a testing distro, and take the time to badmouth what doesn't work in testing, but also wont take the time to report bugs to the devs. Nice work there. Yah its a little rough around the edges sometimes, thats why its called testing.
FWIW, I was looking at the bugs list just before I upgraded. By my estimates, which comes from looking at the graph of release critical bugs vs previous releases, and I was (in December I think) predicting the next Debian release sometime in 3rd Q of 2013. I know thats not what they are saying, but, thats the way it appeared to be trending.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
'nuff said
slashdot does not publish so many articles everyday. Probably less than 30. How difficult is it to actually RTFA before publishing the summary and title?
Very difficult if someone is paying you to spam links to their site.
The next next story could well be 'Viagra is good for your sex life' with links to dodgy on-line drug stores.
And with the software as old as Archimedes.
If you don't understand any of my sayings, come to me in private and I shall take you in my German mouth.
No need to assume anything here. It's explained nicely in this FAQ: The Debian GNU/Linux FAQ - section 6.2
I've been running Squeeze on most of my servers and Wheezy on most of my workstations without any complaint. If I want the latest and greatest I can compile it and add it to my internal apt server. My biggest concern (insofar as my servers are in the conversation) is stability. If you want the latest and shiniest, feel free to download Ubuntu. I know I've hit thirty when I start the day with a "get off my lawn!" statement.
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
then he'd just be a drag on America's social safety net
How could this be, when 80% of the packages of Ubuntu comes from Debian SID? What you are writing here is a propaganda that Ubuntu people likes to spread. They only work on a very small subset of the Debian packages, and they take the rest from SID, importing the bugs with them.
What's wrong with having your email visible on a site? Do you believe the legend that you can hide yourself from spammer? Dude, this doesn't work. Plus it's not because you are annoyed by spams (I suppose that's the reason, right?), that you should annoy everyone and request to remove your email. How are we supposed to contact you to get feedback then?
Now, if you don't bother reporting bugs (let alone trying to fix them or contribute somehow), please don't bother either complaining on public websites.
come on we do headless in the unix world still!
Serial console install is easy to put in...
Well, at work i am using the debian 6 version on my desktop.
For a long time it was the only distribution you could find that would actually provide you with a stable and well working kde version.
I'll be upgrading when the debian 7 version comes out. whenever that will be.
And you know, that suits me just fine.
The only packages i upgraded are firefox, chrome, flash and libreoffice.
Other than that i had no need to run any linux distribution more current than debian 6.
Well we're movin on up, To the east side.
To a deluxe apartment in the sky.
Movin on up
To the east side.
We finally got a piece of the pie.
It's the exact same software as Ubuntu 12.04, whose usable version is called Linux Mint 13 Mate or Linux Mint 13 Xfce.
Debian stable when released will allow to install a slight variant, more vanilla looking of the same thing, with its highs and lows - e.g. what bullshit do I need to type on the prompt to install all non free firmware.
I wouldn't install anything else on a friend's computer, a public computer, for a relative I barely know at all etc., all situations where it's nice that the computer still works, still works the same and still gets updates many years later.
And at least it's more up to date than Ubuntu 8.04, Squeeze or Ubuntu 10.04.
Well very often you have massive legacy applications that also consists of mature code in maintenance mode where behind a few years behind the bleeding edge doesn't matter at all, as long as it's rock stable and receive security patches. Where you'd like upgrade day and every day after to be yet another uneventful and boring day, because the only alternative is a really bad day. If you really need bleeding edge features or is doing new development I'd use something newer, but if not you just bleed for no reason at all.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
This one is Linus, but anybody know whether Debian kFreeBSD and Debian HURD will be coming out? Okay, HURD may be a stretch, but how about kFreeBSD?
KDE 4.8 is recent enough - the current version is 4.Ten. Even GNOME 3.4 is recent enough. Okay, Linux 3.2 is old, but honestly, after Linux 3.0, there haven't been much changes to Linux, and Debian probably doesn't want to put on things like Btrfs, FFSF and so on on it - things that are brand new.
I do look forward to when Debian will have support for Wayland, as well as their other ports, like kFreeBSD up & running. Also, I'd like Debian to do BSD based userland utilities, like LLVM/Clang
I run a student operated server, and I inherited an ancient Debian install that I had little control over. I proceeded to wipe for FreeBSD9 (partially the decision of the operator just before me), had that for about six months. Now that I am on Debian Testing again, life is simple again. I appreciate this about Debian. But given the nature of the 'student' part, I cannot have a compiler that is ancient considering the C++11 stuff people are using. Even in testing it is a great system.
Which is exactly what many people seem to like, just look at the amount of Windows XP users.
Fair enough, he's still right too.
I don't know if you were just listing from TFA about the installer candidate, but I noticed you left out "Proper multi arch support" from the list of wheezy features. This is actually a big deal for users interested in Debian, since the ia32libs package was a goddamn monster.
Aside from that, there a few small nuances, such as the mtpfs package disappearing from the repos (try mounting Android on Debian now, sucker!), but the things listed from the article plus multi arch are probably the biggest.
You realize "Ubuntu" is nigger for "too stupid for a real distro", right?
err... the "latest and shiniest" in ubuntu are usually slightly outdated packages from debian Sid...
it's Sid, not SID. Unless it's the sound chip of a C64.
This sounds very nice. I may have to reconsider Debian. Currently using OpenSUSE 11.4 w/ Gnome 2. I would try OpenSUSE 12.2 and upgrade to Mate, but 12.2 borks on me during installation. (I do not know enough to resolve the issue.)
I did try Debian 6.04 and liked it. It was my second choice only because Firefox and Libreoffice were not included.
Thank god someone keeps old and tested software updayed. You know, some people need their pc for actual work.
I believe your sarcasm detector to be malfunctioning again.
While it's very easy to use Wheezy as a NFS root filesystem, I found strange that the install still don't allow to mount a NFS share to install a root filesystem on it. I still have to install a real disk on the machine, select it for the installation and then copy his content into the machine's folder on the NFS server. A NFS mount into the installer will make the real disk and the copy no longer required.
cool toys like Unity and the Dash.
Thanks, I needed a laugh :)
Intential paradox or unintentional idiocy?
Debian needs to die in a fire along with all its demon spawn.
i wish i could mod parent +5 funny and +5 insightful... although its also trollbait for really bad crocodile dundee spoofs like "that's not a distro, THIS is a distro" followed by a short trip down memory lane about how he had to create his own punch cards to add two numbers together
is there a package for that?
Sid's not the messiah... he's a very naughty boy!
TIMMAAH!!!!!
it could have been worse... you could have installed ubuntu
Isn't "Installer" just another word for "distribution" here? When I download the "Debian Installer" from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I get all of Debian, not just an install program. When I have a look at the improvements that are listed for this "installer" Isee things like "Enable orca in gnome3 sessions too". Orca and Gnome session have nothing to do with the installer software, they are part of Gnome which is part of Debian. As far as I know the only way to download and install Debian is by using the "installer". It is the word Debian uses for its distributable and installable form. I believe it simply IS Debian - all of it.
Would the software run on an Acorn Archimedes?
SID = Still In Development (or the name of the next door neighbor who always destroy toys, in toys story, as you like...)
How could this be, when 80% of the packages of Ubuntu comes from Debian SID?
Bleeding edge only matters in software you directly interact with for casual use: That 20% should easily cover the kernel, X, the DEs, the web browsers, Libreoffice, Wine, and any GUI programs large enough to have a Windows port. Sid may not be bleeding edge, but for the other 80% it isn't obsolete enough to truly bother anyone that notices.
Well, have a better look before spreading lies. For kernel, web browser and libreoffice, YOU DO have very recent packages available, even right now, during the freeze of testing. I haven't checked DE and X, since I don't know what you run (eg: which graphic card, and which environment you like). But I know that the latest Nouveau driver went in for Wheezy. It's also worth noting that drivers receive unblock from the release team so that they can enter stable.
Please stop repeating the bul**hit that everyone tells without taking the time to check.
Well, have a better look before spreading lies. For kernel, web browser and libreoffice
Kernel:
Stable - 2.6
Testing - 3.2
Unstable - 3.2 (released July, 2012)
Current version - 3.8
Those 3.6/3.7 files seen in your link? Experimental. Yeah you could make it work, but then you aren't running Sid anymore. Not entirely. And if you run too much experimental for too long, something is going to end up horribly broken.
Firefox/Iceweasel:
Stable - 3.5
Testing - 10esr
Unstable - 10esr (released March 2012)
Current Version - 19.0
Libreoffice:
Stable - 3.5
Testing - 3.5
Unstable - 3.5 (released February 2012)
Current version - 4.0
YOU DO have very recent packages available, even right now, during the freeze of testing. I haven't checked DE and X, since I don't know what you run (eg: which graphic card, and which environment you like).
I run XFCE on testing, not that it matters.
XFCE:
Stable - 4.6
Testing - 4.8
Unstable - 4.8 (released Jan 2011)
Current Version - 4.10 (released April 2012)
Like I said, Sid isn't bleeding edge. Of the packages here, the newest in Sid is the kernel: 7 months old.
It's also worth noting that drivers receive unblock from the release team so that they can enter stable.
Well that's great (and I genuinely mean that), but a bleeding-edge enthusiast would only see that 3.2 != 3.8.
Do you know what happens when there's a freeze of the next stable? Well, it's easy, we don't upload to SID. But we upload to Experimental instead. So, here, you're just being scared by the name of the distro, that's totally stupid.
The kernel 3.8 has been released 6 days ago. Do you think that's reasonable to expect that it reaches Debian in less than a week? I don't. Debian experimental has Firefox 19, and Libreoffice 4 and XFCE 4.10.
So, for each and every example you gave, you've been defeated.
You'd better stop exposing yourself here. You're saying only non-sense. Now, if you're just worried by the name "experimental", then I can't do anything for you. During the freeze, that's where we do our development, and so if you want to stay current, that's the only place where you will find the latest stuff. That's it. Move on...
Do you know what happens when there's a freeze of the next stable? Well, it's easy, we don't upload to SID. But we upload to Experimental instead.
You brought up the amount of Sid in Ubuntu. My point was that only a small portion of Ubuntu "needs" to be bleeding edge, and that Sid is "good enough" for the rest of it. Now you're arguing that... Sid isn't bleeding edge because development happens in experimental? Yeah, I know. That's fine. I'm not worried about it.
The kernel 3.8 has been released 6 days ago. Do you think that's reasonable to expect that it reaches Debian in less than a week? I don't. Debian experimental has Firefox 19, and Libreoffice 4 and XFCE 4.10.
Not reasonable, no, but I wasn't about to claim 3.7 as the current version.
It doesn't matter what versions are in experimental, because - like you pointed out at the start of the thread - Ubuntu imports from Sid.
Though you may scoff :: I believe Debian 'Stable' is a fairly accurate self-description of a platform that does not; nor will update core software. Here's a thought - Install Aptosid and enjoy the bleeding edge .. or just install Ubuntu and move on ...
I believe they also import selectively from Experimental during the freeze.