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Copyright Alert System To Launch Monday

An anonymous reader sends this excerpt from the Daily Dot: "Starting next week, most U.S. Internet users will be subject to a new copyright enforcement system that could force them to complete educational programs, and even slow their Internet speeds to a crawl. A source with direct knowledge of the Copyright Alert System [said] the five participating Internet service providers will start the controversial program Monday. The ISPs — industry giants AT&T, Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner, and Verizon — will launch their versions of the CAS on different days throughout the week. Comcast is expected to be the first, on Monday." Of course, there are many ways around the Copyright Alert System, so it probably won't be terribly effective.

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  1. To be fair. by masternerdguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is actually a pretty moderate approach compared to just suing single mothers for millions of dollars for downloading an MP3 once.

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    1. Re:To be fair. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ubuntu £inux is the root cause of software piracy. It is distributed in an ISO format, the same format that pirated games are typically distributed in. It also has a torrent app that comes in the default install and automatically opens when a torrent is downloaded by your browser! This is entrapment and training the next generation of software pirates. Did you know Ubuntu sends all your infos to the NSA and that the Ubuntu phone is rumored to have a black specs NSA tracking ribbon (the same one used in $20 bills)? I can cite many references on slashdot to similar claims. Ubuntu is unable to run the hit 10/10 release Aliens: Colonial Marines (its an express elevator to epic) which means if Ubuntu is adopted widely the AAA game industry will collapse and millions will be unemployed. Does this mean Ubuntu's ultimate goal is to devastate the US economy? I don't know but I will ask the question. Personally I installed Windows 8 and have a worry free desktop. Microsoft is the hero in all this, fighting an uphill battle against the Ubuntu Tycoons who are brainwashing college students with promises of a "free high quality OS" - Like piracy, there is a price, and it is your immortal soul!

    2. Re:To be fair. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Is it as bad? Well, this could easily affect innocent people, and it could be used against anyone. Hell, since there's no real oversight, I can say that it probably will.

      Regardless of whether it's as bad as some of the other insane copyright enforcement schemes, it's still unjust.

    3. Re:To be fair. by plover · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ubuntu Tycoons

      You owe me a new keyboard.

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    4. Re:To be fair. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is actually a pretty moderate approach compared to just suing single mothers for millions of dollars for downloading an MP3 once.

      It's "pretty moderate" in the same sense as beating up a woman is "pretty moderate" compared to raping her.

    5. Re:To be fair. by c · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is actually a pretty moderate approach compared to just suing single mothers for millions of dollars for downloading an MP3 once.

      True, but keep in mind that this is likely just in addition to suing single mothers for millions of dollars for downloading an MP3 once. I don't expect they're going to call off their political lobbying, either.

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    6. Re:To be fair. by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...pretty moderate approach...

      A guy got stopped by a cop for rolling through a stop sign.
      The guy started complaining about it, saying, "C'mon man, I slowed down before crossing."
      The cop rips him out of the car and starts to beat the crap out of the guy, saying, "Do you want to me to stop? Or do you want me to slow down?

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    7. Re:To be fair. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nah, they already got Tor's number. They'll just arrest all the node operators on child porn charges.

    8. Re:To be fair. by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree. Nothing can ever go wrong when government and corporations establish a re-education programs.

    9. Re:To be fair. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't remember who said this about the RIAA and MPAA, but it was something like, "Bashing somebody in the head repeatedly and then saying 'Buy my product!' is probably not a very good business model."

    10. Re:To be fair. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but I don't think you are, so I'm addressing your point as if it's serious:

      In Asian diplomacy, step 1 is to be outrageous. Refuse to listen to the opposing party, make ridiculously absurd demands, and concede nothing.

      Step 2 is stalemate, but you make it extremely clear that you will still concede nothing.

      Step 3 is to pretend to listen to the opposing party, say you'll compromise, make slightly less absurd demands, and concede nothing.

      If this fails you start the process over again. Insist that the slightly less absurd demands are a moderate compromise, which is a true statement, because compared to the original ridiculously absurd demands, it's a 'more moderate' approach. The RIAA/MPAA is playing a game of Asian diplomacy and suckers like you (assuming you're not just being facetious) enable them to win.

    11. Re:To be fair. by jamstar7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also keep in mind the $35 'review fee'. They'll dump shitpiles of notices on people just to get those review fees. Another revenue stream to add to their gains from litigation.

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  2. Good lord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Security is NOT sexy.

  3. Good News by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 4, Informative

    For VPN providers.

    I'm partial to AirVPN since they accept Bitcoins for payment and let you connect via Tor if that's what you want.

    1. Re:Good News by Seumas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Subscription VPN services are about as shady as porn and warez sites. Good luck finding the right mix of:

      + Our policy is not to retain logs, so we have no data to respond to requests for data with.
      + We have plenty of locations.
      + We don't have caps (or, at least, low caps).
      + We don't require that you install a ridiculous crappy VPN client (and, often, one that is just specifically aimed at file sharing -- or even worse, they just give you their own version of a torrent client with the VPN crap built into it).
      + We actually are in business and provide a service (you'll find many are fly-by-not or that you just sent payment to a company that hasn't done business in six months, despite their site suggesting its an active company.
      + We have decent speeds and are not overloading our capacity.

      It's also unfortunate that so many end-users believe that if they use a VPN, they're completely fine. They don't understand that -- even if everything else is fine -- your VPN provider, themselves, is a weak point and subject to warrant and so forth.

  4. PLEASE!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can we PLEASE keep referring to it as "Six Strikes system"? Not the Industry-concocted, innocent-sounding "alert system" crap? Thank you.

  5. Full Encryption by spire3661 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This will only speed up the race to fully encrypted comms.

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  6. So are they going to target all bittorrent users? by mark-t · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because I'd have to say I have a problem with that.

    I don't use Bittorrent very often, but when I do, it's to download content that is entirely legitimate. I have to say that if they accuse you of infringing on copyright, you should be permitted to at the very least be able to say "No I didn't", and have that actually mean something.

  7. Due Process by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Obama Administration pressured ISPs into adopting this scheme. Now we get private enforcement of copyrights without the usual defenses against such. No government involvement, so no due process. People should be more worried about this than they really are, especially considering the government's involvement.

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  8. Crawl by ShakaUVM · · Score: 4, Funny

    "... or slow their Internet speeds to a crawl."

    So, pretty much business as usual then?

  9. Internet access is a public utility by Snufu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    like phone lines, water, and electricity. Would you accept an unelected corporate group like Hollywood policing your phone conversations and throttling the line if they didn't like what they overheard you saying? Or throttling your water supply if they objected to the flowers growing in your yard?

    Inform your elected officials. Make it clear that we will not tolerate these for-profit commercial groups invading our privacy and abusing public resources. Apply citizen utility rights to internet access.

    (By the way, expect small captured governments like New Zealand to bend to corporate influence, but how is this stuff not struck down in modern social leaning nations such as France?)

  10. Why this is REALLY really stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    State of the art copyright 'protection' methods use signature databases. Companies acting as 'agents' on behalf of copyright 'owners' scan various forms of their clients 'property' to create signatures that can be tested against video/sound streams, or against packet streams intercepted at the ISP using 'deep packet inspection'.

    Now, here we are talking about the later- the ISP inspecting the 'signature' of data traffic to the users. Firstly, false positives will swamp the system. We have already seen have legal live video streams have been closed down by automated signature testing systems. But let us instead consider the 'valid' matches.

    To fight back, users will need packet streams that are unique to the user. While this is frequently described as 'end to end' encryption, simpler solutions also work. The 'deep packet' signature test fails if the data stream suffers ANY per user modification, and that can include a simple XORing of most of the packet via an XOR key at the head of the packet. This really isn't 'encryption' but data 'morphing' where the same data can have a massive number of different forms, confusing or defeating a 'signature' based approach.

    Data morphing can be done with near zero computational processing, unlike proper encryption. The goal is simply to ensure the same data has a vast number of different forms. And included 4-byte XOR key, for instance, has 4000 million variants, if memory serves, requiring this number of signatures in the database to dumbly recognise ONE packet.

    Now, today, governments benefit greatly from the mostly open nature of data transmitted across the net. Intelligence agencies must be doing their nut over useless proposals that simply have the effect of moving us ALL to obscured forms of net traffic. The new US system will ensure EVERYONE will come to the conclusion "I do not want my ISP sniffing my traffic".

    PS Automated (or Human) takedowns of non-live material can never work. If the worst comes to the worst, people will simply post encrypted 'zips' with no description, and tell people to "watch this space". Seven days later (or whatever), the password will be posted alongside a description of contents. Sure, this still allows the uploaders to be targeted, but their has NEVER been a time when uploaders were unable to be targeted.

    Since survey after survey shows that 'pirates' are also the biggest purchasers of 'legal' content, we already know that the solution is in providing the legal services people want (which means EVERYTHING available EVERYWHERE for use on ALL devices). The tech war should not be wasted on 'downloaders' but on finding better ways to get paid content available universally.

  11. Re:Download Linux by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why would they bust you for downloading Linux?

    I got a nasty letter from my ISP telling me "No peer-to-peer". I called them, and said "WTF guys? I download Linux distros and OpenOffice ISOs via torrent, all kinds of 100% legal and legitimate content." "We don't care. No peer-to-peer."

    So I signed up for a VPN, of course.

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  12. I've heard that one before by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What were those, the famous last words of a few Anonymous script kiddies right before they got arrested?

    Finding someone who is "anonymous" on the Internet is hard, in the same way that cracking a new hardware-based DRM scheme is hard. It can take a lot of work, at least if you're the first person trying to do it, but ultimately trying to establish two-way communications over the Internet and yet remain completely anonymous is just as futile as trying to lock up content that you're also showing to someone. There may be many levels of indirection that are difficult to follow, but it's impossible to do what you actually need to do and yet still remain 100% safe from hostile activity.

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    1. Re:I've heard that one before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "you have to be lucky every time, and they only have to be lucky once."

      This is true when you are topping out the FBI's most wanted list.

      It is not true when you're just another pirate in a crowd of millions. You don't need to be lucky, then - you just need to be something other than the lowest-hanging fruit.

  13. Re:Download Linux by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would they bust you for downloading Linux? Do you have any idea how the system works?

    Any excuse to limit the usage by high-bandwidth users. Comcast would be much happier (and profitable) if, despite all the adverts about the speed Comcast offers, you used your connection only to check your email a few times per day. No streaming media, etc..

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  14. Pure Kafka by DrJimbo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the 2nd fine article:

    If you feel "wrongly accused" then there is a $35 'review fee' to see precisely what you are accused of. It's refunded if you win, but if the Copyright Alert System is so sure of itself then why charge at all? Why not let individuals know what they are accused of without this stipulation that the fee is to stop "frivolous appeals?"

    You actually have to pay money to see what this non-government cabal is accusing you of? It costs them next to nothing to tell you what the exact accusation is. It's just a few more bytes in the warning email or in a web page linked to by the email. I could maybe understand having to pay a fee to contest the charges but it is truly Kafkaesque to have to pay a fee just to find out what the charges are.

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  15. Re:What are you on? by Genda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    DUDE! That thing sticking outta the side of his head... is his tongue in his cheek... next you're supposed to laugh... and now we know why there are no savant comedians...

  16. Re:Download Linux by Denogh · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why would they bust you for downloading Linux?

    I got a nasty letter from my ISP telling me "No peer-to-peer". I called them, and said "WTF guys? I download Linux distros and OpenOffice ISOs via torrent, all kinds of 100% legal and legitimate content." "We don't care. No peer-to-peer."

    So I signed up for a VPN, of course.

    I wonder if they also go after all the folks that are just trying to download the latest WoW patch. Seems like most MMORPGs these days use P2P updaters.

  17. Re:Download Linux by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Fortunately or unfortunately, only agents of the *AA can report infringement. The system cannot be turned against itself. Arguably this is unfair to all copyright holders who are not part of the *AA, but the flip side is that you can pirate non-AA content with impunity.

  18. Re: force violators to take educational courses by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...it would bankrupt all these corps...

    And they'll come back at you with, "You're putting people out of work!"

    Meanwhile, company officers will simply shift their portfolios, and write down the losses onto the smaller investors and the taxman.

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  19. Re:Download Linux by flimflammer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not everyone gets the luxury of choice.

  20. Re:Download Linux by mysidia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "We don't care. No peer-to-peer."

    This is unacceptable and unprofessional, can I please speak with your supervisor?

  21. Re:Please don't let that happen -- not yet by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Encrypt everything by default, and allow nothing unencrypted, just needs to become default behavior in all operating systems, and become the de-facto standard, for everything, for security purposes, before anyone else can act.

    The trouble is, while passing good laws often requires a lot of time and debate, passing knee-jerk reactionary laws based on lobbying in technical fields that most legislators frankly don't understand can be done almost in moments. It's already a criminal offence here in the UK to refuse to hand over a password if the Powers That Be want to know what your encrypted communications say, and the law was widely criticised for (among other things) being about as black-and-white as you could possibly be. For example, minor details like whether the password you've been required to provide actually exists tend not to be relevant to any defence.

    So in my admittedly pessimistic view of how these things currently tend to work in practice, I don't see your "default behaviour in all operating systems" as being even remotely possible until the authorities and in particular the legislators are far, far more clued up on technical issues than most of them are today. Plausible preemptive countermeasures might include whoever first creates such an operating system being labelled an $EMOTIVE_THREAT and getting banned from trading/selling in the jurisdiction, anyone installing such an OS being labelled a criminal under those same knee-jerk blanket-ban laws I talked about before, or possibly more insidious things like Microsoft/Apple/etc. cutting a RIM-style deal where their "secure" systems weren't really secure at all (but of course any more secure/trustworthy platform like, say, Linux, is now an $EMOTIVE_THREAT, according to lots of "industry experts" probably indirectly funded by the aforementioned Microsoft/Apple/etc.).

    The basic problem with this whole situation is that there is no good answer that always works. There really are bad people in the world, and there really are legitimate reasons that security services would want to intercept their communications, so any argument for universally encrypting anything is always going to run into some degree of resistance for sensible reasons that few reasonable people would disagree with even if they might feel that on balance the costs outweigh the benefits. But as we've seen on many occasions already, such legitimate reasons are all too easily twisted into mere commercial power plays when governments and big business mix. Sadly, but honestly, I see no reason to expect anything better to happen as long as the political status quo in most of the western world remains.

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  22. Re:Download Linux by deimtee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Drone: "Certainly Sir, just a minute", hits mute button, says to coworkers, "Who wants to be superviser today?".

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  23. Re:What are you on? by Bitmanhome · · Score: 3, Funny

    Are you sure it's his tongue? Might be the antenna. They're not supposed to be visible, but some people have bad reactions to the materials.

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