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Islamists In Bangladesh Demand Murder of More Bloggers

An anonymous reader writes "Days after the killing of leftist blogger Thaba Baba, mosques throughout Bangladesh called for a popular uprising to demand the killing of other bloggers who had held a rally calling for the death of Jama'at-e-Islami leaders convicted of war crimes. This happens in an atmosphere of ongoing tension between Left and Right, with the leftist government threatening to outlaw rightist parties while the right uses violence to quiet selected enemies."

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  1. Before commenting, please remember... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These few loud attention seekers do not represent Islam any more than Westboro' Baptist represents Christianity. They may respectively have their flaws, but don't believe that the most radical examples are representative of the whole.

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    1. Re:Before commenting, please remember... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Um. No. Remember that lady who named a teddy bear Mohammed and there were mass movements in the street calling for her death?
      Or the cartoonist who was killed cause of one of his drawings?

      As bad as westboro is, they are 1. Super Small, and 2. Haven't actually killed anyone yet.

      Islam is a batshit religion, that happens to contain a decent number of sane people who happen to have been raised inside of that culture. The quicker we realize that it is anything BUT a religion of peace, and deal with it appropriately, the better.

    2. Re:Before commenting, please remember... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you are glossing over the fact that, while offensive, holding up a sign saying "God hates fags" isn't quite the same thing as killing somebody. I'm not a fan of religion at all. But of the significant world religions Islam is alone in constantly calling for death and destruction. Simply look at any country that has a significant population of Muslims intermixed with another group. How many of those places have no tensions? None. Zero. Zip. Of course the Muslims always seem to have a reason for declaring a Fatwah and calling for death.

    3. Re:Before commenting, please remember... by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Westboro Baptist Church is made up up maybe a dozen individuals in a nation of hundreds of millions. Radical Islam is now a significant majority in many Muslim countries, and a significant minority in many more.

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    4. Re: Before commenting, please remember... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or like Islam today, which is much more relevant.

    5. Re:Before commenting, please remember... by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The U.S. is actually a decent example of a country with a significant Muslim population and general lack of any fatwahs or jihads going on. There are some occasional nuts, but I don't think it's any more prevalent than with any other religious group: an American Muslim is no more likely to try to bomb you than an American Christian is.

    6. Re:Before commenting, please remember... by JWW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes. Islam desperately needs a Protestant reformation.

    7. Re:Before commenting, please remember... by hotdiggity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The quicker we realize that it is anything BUT a religion of peace, and deal with it appropriately, the better.

      Can you elaborate on this? How to deal with it? This isn't one of those vague political "yada yada yada" ideas, because dealing with a widely held religious belief usually involves war, discriminatory laws, or any other of a wide variety of excuses to stamp on personal rights and freedom of association.

    8. Re:Before commenting, please remember... by famebait · · Score: 5, Insightful

      most Terrorists are Muslims.

      Troll.

      This moves in waves.
      Let's not forget about IRA, ETA, RAF, various other left-wing bombers in Europe, untold guerilla movements in Africa and South America.
      With some exceptions it mostly follows where there are active separatist movements at any given time
      Do your homework.

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    9. Re:Before commenting, please remember... by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The major difference is that when a Christian nutbag kills some people, in no part of the world is there a celebration in the streets. Whereas successful Islamic terrorism is in many places openly celebrated by whole communities passing out candy and cheering about how the murderers are heroes. It is intertwined with a culture of hatred and violence that is supported by communities.

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    10. Re:Before commenting, please remember... by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well first of all it's decentralised, so no pope to rally against, and second of all the Westboros and related nuts aren't Catholic. The creationists and extremists are all Protestant sects, so even after a reformation look what happened. The quicker we realise that the Abrahamic religions in general are a blight, the better. I won't say all religions because Buddhism is okay, but most.

    11. Re:Before commenting, please remember... by LoRdTAW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "that happens to contain a decent number of sane people who happen to have been raised inside of that culture"

      One thing that many people don't understand is that Islam is more than a religion, its a culture that dictates how one should live, worship and govern its people. Islam knows no borders and Muslims have a very strong sense of belonging to the point where an Afgan and Iranian would see each other as brothers and not men from different countries.

      At work we have two Pakistani kids, brothers. I was talking to one of them about a company that was started by two guys from Iraq and his face instantly lit up, smiled and said "Oh wow, my people started that business?" At first I was confused and asked him "Wait, I thought you are Pakistani" to which he replied "Yea, but they are Muslims like me". That really showed me how close the Muslim people are connected by their belief. Its to the point where a Pakistani is proud of the achievements of two men from Iraq, a completely different country. When was the last time anyone here spoke of an achievement of a Christian from another country with pride based solely on the fact they they were Christian like them?

      Christians do not have that kind of bond with each other and therefor don't understand why the Muslims go crazy when someone disses Mohammed or makes a YouTube video calling Islam a religion of terrorists. You are insulting an entire culture, spiritual belief and government of all Muslims, everywhere. Christians have gotten to the point where they don't really give a shit, though there are sects that are still very close with each other (Mormons etc.). So when someone makes a Jesus joke or calls the church a scam, they don't take up arms and call for death.

    12. Re:Before commenting, please remember... by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is a function of their religion because Muslims are the only ones who do it. The Christian minorities in the Middle East are culturally the same, but they don't do it, so it is not a function of culture. It's no excuse regardless. There is nothing, nothing that justifies a raucous celebration of the death of innocents who have done nothing other than live in a society you hate, and I won't be patronized by some white-guilt apologist about it.

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  2. Please, label the parties involved correctly by muecksteiner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is not a dispute between left and right, at least not in the sense that we are used to in the so-called "West". The two antagonistic parties here are secularists on the one hand, and islamistic religious fundamentalists on the other. These two groups are not even in a very roundabout way related to the old left-right dichotomy we are used to. Except perhaps the fact that Western leftists also generally seem to weigh in on the secular side of things, but that is about the point where any similarities end.

  3. War criminals, not just islamists by walmass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Relevant bit of history: Until 1971, Bangladesh used to be called East Pakistan and the current Pakistan was called West Pakistan. Both parts together made up Pakistan, but the East and the West didn't share a common language or culture. In 1952, the West tried to impose Urdu as the sole official language, which resulted in people protesting, and dying, to protect Bangla (Bengali) on Feb 21, 1952. This was eventually recognized by the UN as the International Mother Language Day

    But the attitude didn't change, and after losing an election overwhelmingly to a political party based mostly in East Pakistan, the loser from the West worked with the military to not hand over the power and instead let loose The Pakistani Army, which, with the help of local collaborators (Rajakars), killed 3 million people and raped 200,000 women in 1971. One of the stated reasons was to "Protect Islam."

    Fast forward to 2012. Now there is a war-crimes trial going on for some of the top Rajakars, and like the Arab Spring, social media headed by young bloggers took a leading role in holding the war criminals accountable.

    So the Rajakars, who predominantly belong to a party called Jamaat-E-Islami, are trying to inflame popular sentiment (which is overwhelmingly against them) through propaganda that all bloggers are Atheists. Their campaign is funded by huge influx of money from the middle east and a network of highly profitable businesses in Bangladesh. They own TV stations and newspapers that are using photoshopped images to show the alleged debauchery and insults to Islam of the so-called Atheists.

    So this is not just a left vs. right issue as people elsewhere might interpret it. This is an active campaign for the Talibanization of Bangladesh along with a campaign to protect people who allegedly committed crimes against humanity.

    The process is not to ban just rightist parties (there are plenty)--the process aims to ban Jamaat-E-Islami, which has never clearly stated that their role in 1971 (of helping with genocide and rape) was wrong, and which is headed by people who actively participated in the genocide and rape.

    For freedom-loving people everywhere, this must not be allowed to stand. "Atheists bloggers" is just a red herring--don't let this cheap trick by alleged criminals muddy the water.

  4. More like 7-8 centuries by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But ya

    Christianity grew up. It's not perfect, it still has plenty of crazies in various kinds, but by and large Christianity grew out of the crusades mentality. Islam by and large has not.

    Thus I think it is perfectly reasonable for people to criticize Islam in a way they do not criticize Christianity (I'm an atheist by the way). That Christianity was all "kill the unbelievers" 700+ years ago does NOT give Islam license to be that way today. Society can, and should, advance. I would hope that in 700 years people would look back on society today and be glad that their society was even better than it is now.

    In very many ways Islam is still largely stuck in the Dark Ages and it needs to stop. We shouldn't give it a pass because Christianity was also in the Dark Ages several centuries ago.

  5. Re:Killing leftists prevents more killings. by Razgorov+Prikazka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >> And what do you think Islamists are?

    An answer then... because you asked so politely...

    At my school they always told me that these muslim people are followers of the religion of love, peace and respect. And that any misconduct of that group could, and SHOULD, be played down with either:
      - other religions are violent as well, look at the crusaders, the IRA, abortion-clinic-arsonists, the KKK. (Funny that they never mentioned Sikh / Hindu / other religions huh?)
      - Those people 'lost' their religion, so any killings have NOTHING to do with islam.

    Now, years later I know better.
    9/11, 3000 deaths, by Saudi Arabian muslims.
    2002 bomblast in Bali (Indonesia), 200 killed by muslims
    2004 muslims killed 250 schoolkids in Beslan (Russia)
    2004 muslims blew up 190 people in Madrid (yurp)
    7/7 London, 52 killed by... wait for it... muslims
    2008 muslims the Mumbai (India) blast killed 160 people.
    2013 muslims murdered 13 people in Hyderabad (India, last week)

    That totals 3,865 of only this horrendously light weight list. There are thousands of smaller cases like the girl that was shot in the face (by muslims) because she wanted to be educated. Or that (Christian) girl with a little mental handicap that was accused of burning pages of a koran and was almost killed by the people in the neighbourhood. The list could be far more elaborate. Nevertheless I heard about Breivik, and yes people are killed by white-power groups and all... but that is like saying that a paper plane is equal to a 747 because they both fly.

    To me things are clear, this religion will never stop until either the last muslim is dead or the whole world is muslim.

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