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Comet C/2013 A1 May Hit Mars In 2014

astroengine writes "According to preliminary orbital prediction models, comet C/2013 A1 will buzz Mars on Oct. 19, 2014. C/2013 A1 was discovered by ace comet-hunter Robert McNaught at the Siding Spring Observatory in New South Wales, Australia, on Jan. 3. When the discovery was made, astronomers at the Catalina Sky Survey in Arizona looked back over their observations to find "prerecovery" images of the comet dating back to Dec. 8, 2012. These observations placed the orbital trajectory of comet C/2013 A1 through Mars orbit on Oct. 19, 2014. Due to uncertainties in the observations — the comet has only been observed for 74 days (so far), so it's difficult for astronomers to forecast the comet's precise location in 20 months time — comet C/2013 A1 may fly past at a very safe distance of 0.008 AU (650,000 miles). But to the other extreme, its orbital pass could put Mars directly in its path."

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  1. OH NO! DUCK CURIOSITY!! by jrmcc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Keep your head down.

    1. Re:OH NO! DUCK CURIOSITY!! by cod3r_ · · Score: 4, Funny

      The one spot it ends up landing happens to be on the multi million dollar mars rover. That would be something.

    2. Re:OH NO! DUCK CURIOSITY!! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The one spot it ends up landing happens to be on the multi million dollar mars rover. That would be something.

      Well, I hope it won't, because if it hits, it might make for some really interesting changes in weather for the (surviving) rover to observe:

      With the current estimate of the absolute magnitude of the nucleus M2 = 10.3, which might indicate the diameter of over 50 km, the energy of impact might reach the equivalent of staggering 2×10 megatonnes! This kind of event can leave a crater 500 km across and 2 km deep. (link)

      But it's quite sure to say that witnessing such impact is just wishful thinking.

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    3. Re:OH NO! DUCK CURIOSITY!! by RivenAleem · · Score: 4, Funny

      In soviet Mars, comet kill Curiosity!

  2. Better him than me. by jcrb · · Score: 4, Funny

    Said the Earth.

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    1. Re:Better him than me. by goodmanj · · Score: 3, Informative

      Absolutely impossible. It encounters Mars when it's closest to the sun: a basic principle of orbital mechanics is that applying a force at a given location changes the object's position at the *opposite* side of the orbit. So encountering Mars just makes the furthest part of its orbit (which is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay out beyond Pluto) a little closer or farther.

    2. Re:Better him than me. by QuantumPion · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Is there any possible a close encounter to Mars that might cause C/2013A1 to act as if it were orbiting mars, (at least for half a rev duration of that single pass)? And if so, just how much can Mars deflect the orbit of C/2013A1 from what it might have been for centuries?

      It is not possible for an object orbiting the sun to become captured by the orbit of a planet, due to conservation of energy. The only way an object can be captured is by either using rockets or aerobraking. However aerobraking alone does not produce a stable orbit since its orbit would continually decay each time it passed through the atmosphere. In order to aerocapture you have to slow down through the atmosphere and then apply thrust at apoapsis to raise the periapsis out of the atmosphere.

  3. Couldn't this wipe out their dinosaurs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course, I realize there are "anti-science" people who don't believe in the existence of Martian dinosaurs.

  4. The pyromaniac in me... by Longjmp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The pyromaniac in me really wants to watch the impact ;)

    A little caveat and a more serious note:
    A (very) quick search didn't show anything about the estimated mass of C/2013 A1, so possibly some debris might hit earth later.

    But hey, maybe I want to watch that too!

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    1. Re:The pyromaniac in me... by Kittenman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe not. I've been watching Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" and one of the episodes (Harmony of the Worlds) covers a cometary hit on the moon in the 12th century, seen by a bunch of English monks in Canterbury.

      Must be out there somewhere and here you go... from Wikipedia...
      [snip]
      Five monks from Canterbury reported to the abbey's chronicler, Gervase, that shortly after sunset on June 18, 1178, (25 June on the proleptic Gregorian calendar) they saw "the upper horn [of the moon] split in two." Furthermore, Gervase writes, "From the midpoint of the division a flaming torch sprang up, spewing out, over a considerable distance, fire, hot coals and sparks. Meanwhile the body of the Moon which was below writhed, as it were in anxiety, and to put it in the words of those who reported it to me and saw it with their own eyes, the Moon throbbed like a wounded snake. Afterwards it resumed its proper state. This phenomenon was repeated a dozen times or more, the flame assuming various twisting shapes at random and then returning to normal. Then, after these transformations, the Moon from horn to horn, that is along its whole length, took on a blackish appearance"
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    2. Re:The pyromaniac in me... by hey! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, maybe not invalidate, but we're on a Mars science roll. A few more years of baseline data would be nice, and make the whole before/after picture that much more meaningful.

      In particular the MAVEN mission is supposed to study the evolution of the Martian atmosphere, and it's scheduled to be in Mars orbit just 27 days before the possible comet strike. I don't know what a humongous comet strike will do to the research plans. Probably they'd get some interesting information about the aftermath, but it would have been even cooler if the mission had collected a few months of baseline data.

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  5. Re:Good Thing... by Longjmp · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... It would really suck for the first suicidal astronauts to get there and be flattened by a comet.

    While I usually find the usual Star Wars joke pretty tiring, I can't resist myself this time:
    Imagine the last radio transmission from mars astronauts to earth would be one saying to the other "That's no moon."

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  6. The Brennan Monster Breaks Cover by RatBastard · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess he's decided it's time to do something about those damned Martians.

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  7. Late-Breaking News from the Council: REMAIN CALM by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
    Late-breaking news from the Council: REMAIN CALM.

    Panic and hysteria swept our world today upon the discovery of an inbound cometary body with a non-zero impact probability.

    K'Breel, Speaker for the Council, addressed a terrified world:

    "Podmates and citizens, we believe this object to rate, at most a 1 or a 2 on the Q'nirot scale, and expect further observations to eliminate the possibility of a collision. There is cause for continued observation, but at present there is no cause for alarm."

    "We believe this potential impactor to be a routine and natural phenomenon, not a hostile threat from the Blueworlders. For one thing, is approaching from the direction away from the Blue World, from a region that even their invasion fleets have yet to control. Furthermore, it has recently been demonstrated that the Blueworlders, despite the technological terrors they have sent to our world, remain utterly incapable of deflecting inbound asteroids and comets. Unlike our illustirous Planetary Defense Forces, the blueworlders lack the technology to do anything about an inbound impactor."

    "A solid planetary defense is the right of every being in every technologically-advanced civilization. As the Blueworlders have so recently discovered the hard way, conquest and empire sometimes need to take a back seat to the basic tools that constitute civilization."

    When a junior reporter suggested that EVERYBEING PANIC ANYWAYS, the Speaker concluded his remarks:

    "For decades, junior reporters have been making proposals to this council that begin with 'we have to fight the blueworlders over there before we have to fight them over here', and today marks the day where they can finally put their gelsacs where their mouths are."

    The reporter's gelsacs were then mounted on the impactor unit of the the kinetic kill vehicle that remains the Planetary Defense Force's third and last line of defense.

  8. Re:Curiosity by Clomer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it hits, Opportunity is hosed no matter what. The comet will kick up such a dust cloud that Opportunity's solar panels will not be able to keep it powered. The comet is big enough that it will have a direct effect on the entire planet.

    Curiosity, on the other hand, would do fine unless it is unlucky enough to be caught within the blast radius. Note that even if they know now exactly where it will hit, if Curiosity is within the dead zone, they wouldn't be able to do anything about it - it can't move anywhere near fast enough to get out of the way when faced with something this big. The best we'd be able to hope for is that it would be able to get some spectacular shots of the final approach and is able to transmit them fast enough before the end.

    That said, assuming it does survive the initial blast (pretty good odds, actually, given just how big a planet really is), having a functional probe on the ground would provide invaluable data about the resulting dust cloud and how it affects the climate.

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  9. Don't bet on it by goodmanj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the distance uncertainty is 650,000 miles, the odds of this comet hitting Mars are *at best* 1 in 300, possibly up to 1 in 100,000 (depending on the shape of the comet's uncertainty ellipse, which is not mentioned in TFA.)