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China Says It Is the Target of US Hack Attacks

An anonymous reader writes "Officials at the Chinese Defense Ministry say hackers from the U.S. have been attacking Chinese military websites. 'The sites were subject to about 144,000 hacking attacks each month last year, two thirds of which came from the U.S., according to China's defense ministry. The issue of cyber hacking has strained relations between the two countries.' This follows recent hacks from people in China on high-profile U.S. sites, as well as a report accusing the Chinese government of supporting a hacking group. '[Defense Ministry spokesman Geng Yansheng] called on U.S. officials to "explain and clarify" what he said were recent U.S. media reports that Washington would carry out "pre-emptive" cyber attacks and expand its online warfare capabilities. Such efforts are "not conducive to the joint efforts of the international community to enhance network security," he said.'"

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  1. About time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    About time. And preemptive my ass. China has been making state-orchestrated cyber attacks for years now. There's a war in cyberspace, did they just think the U.S. wouldn't show up?

    1. Re:About time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So it's wrong when they do it but not when the US does it, is that what you're saying?

    2. Re:About time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      About time. And preemptive my ass. China has been making state-orchestrated cyber attacks for years now. There's a war in cyberspace, did they just think the U.S. wouldn't show up?

      So has the USA. More facets of the Stuxnet story are slowly being unearthed and it now appears the thing was already under intense development in 2005. It makes one wonder how widespread this kind of thing really is and how early the various intelligence services started doing it... Post 9/11? In the early 90s? Stuxnet was a pretty sophisticated piece of kit, especially in 2005. It makes these Chinese hack and snatch attacks look a bit crude. Stuxnet was only discovered when the spooks tried to make it 'more aggressive' to increase the infection rate and found out that it's really easy to make it too aggressive and when that happens and your spyware starts infecting civilian computers in large numbers you also blow the lid off the operation.

    3. Re:About time. by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Self defense? He started it! No, he started it! No I didn't! Yes you did! It's the stuff of children.

      In Britain, we used to have a "War Office". in 1947 they changed that to "The Ministry of Defence". They still do the same thing. It's words. Propaganda.

      If you honestly think when China does hacking it's attack, and when the USA does it it's defense, you've fallen for the propaganda.

      Do you know what real defense to hacking looks like? It looks like like patching up vulnerabilities. It looks like using better encryption. It looks like not connecting things to the internet that don't need to be connected to it.

    4. Re:About time. by kilfarsnar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, in real life outside of liberal art college where everything is abstract, the truth is subjective, and we're all one happy global community of free thinkers (damn I have to go wash my mouth out now).

      No matter how much people think we are capable of rising above war, selfishness, ambition, pride, arrogance, etc the fact is that we all have those elements. They are embedded in our DNA. I happen to believe it was because of the fall, but regardless of how it happened I think anyone who is honest with themselves knows that what I'm saying is true. If you think you've risen above it, it's only because you've turned a blind eye to your true nature. Knowing that, and that the Chinese people are every bit as bent on world domination as we are, I'm going to go ahead and side with the guys whose soil I happen to be standing on.

      I believe it was Henry Ford who said that whether you think you can or cannot do something, you're right. I think your description may describe the world and humanity as they currently exist. But it forecloses the ability to improve. By resigning ourselves to a future of tribalism, and the chauvinism and hypocrisy that it brings, we miss the opportunity to realize that the boundaries of the tribe are arbitrary. We decide who is in the tribe an who is out. We could expand the tribe to include all of humanity. Or we can reduce it to our own neighborhood. It's up to us, not embedded in our DNA. We reap what we sow, and we get the world we choose.

      --
      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
    5. Re:About time. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      FUCK CHINA !!!! A bunch of needle dick nerds that steal American ideas.

      "Steal" implies that once they take the idea, the person who had it originally does not anymore. That's just silly hyperbole.

      No, China "borrows" American ideas, then figures out how to mass produce them cheaper than we can. It's called capitalism, it is the basis of both the Chinese and American economies. Hell, if anything, we should be proud - American capitalism won out over Russian communism, isn't that what the Joe McCarthy's of this nation always wanted?

      We should do all we can to destroy them.

      Yea, because scorched earth policies always work out for the best, especially when nuclear-armed states are involved.

      --
      An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
    6. Re:About time. by fafaforza · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Defense also looks like trying to get your own data to see what the other side found out from their hacks of you. Satellite photos of the other side arming? Decrypting their communication? Would those not count as steps towards your own defense? Or would you just close your eyes and plug your ears, build the biggest wall you can, and call that defense?

      Besides, China's hacking has been very much in the news lately. How do you know this isn't just China's PR push? How do you know China isn't simply counting a hacked home box sitting on a cable connection as a governmental hack? Don't you think the US would be a bit better about hiding their source?

  2. On the contrary... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...this kind of stuff will absolutely enhance network security. It's geopolitical stability that's in danger in the long term. But if we didn't destroy ourselves with nukes during the cold war, I think we'll come out of this one okay too.

  3. Pot, meet kettle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, can't find it in me to feel at all sorry for them.

  4. "military websites" by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    hackers from the U.S. have been attacking Chinese military websites.

    Wake me up when the U.S. military is hacking Chinese civilian/banking computers or trying to SSH into everything.

  5. China suing US by Grayhand · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're claiming an original art patent on spying on foreign governments using hackers.

  6. Big Difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even if this were true (and all signs point that it's just a knee-jerk reaction by China), what the Chinese are reporting is attacks against their military infrastructure from US IPs. This is way different than what the NYT and Mandiant claim the Chinese are doing which is leveraging the capabilities of it's cyber army (god I hate that term) against private corporations for the betterment of it's government controlled businesses.

    That's a huge difference. Yes the US is probably targeting the Chinese army but it sure as heck isn't specifically targeting Huawei and giving the information over to Cisco.

    Seriously China, grow up.

  7. Typical chinese propaganda strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The point of this announcement is to distract from the criticism they are receiving for launching hack attacks by painting a picture of everyone does it. So whether its true or not they would make this claim. I would believe they are receiving hack attacks from the US, but 2/3rds of them having a US origin sounds suspicious.

  8. Re:What if.. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anybody ever thought that maybe it's a 3rd party group doing the work? spoofing IPs? etc.. Sheesh.

    Or maybe they hacked our Internets and burned down our firewall? Seriously, IP spoofing is not as useful as the movies make it out to be.

    Spoofing IPs is easy, but it's only effective in a few situations, such as when you're sending a message with no expectation of a reply (e.g. spam e-mail, DDoS attack, etc.). If you're trying to break into someone's system, you need to be able to get a response back, and that means providing an IP address you can be reached at to your target. Now, you may try to anonymize your IP address somehow, such as through the use of proxies, VPNs, and other such technologies that can allow you to hide behind or within someone else's system, or you may spoof an IP address of a zombie computer you control and can use to route return packets to you, but at some point, an IP address you control needs to be provided to someone else, otherwise you have no way of getting back a response, and that address can be traced.