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Conflicted Judges Are Classier With English Accents

An anonymous reader writes "Remember The Right Honourable Professor Sir Robin Jacob, Retired Lord Justice, who staged a temporary comeback on the bench of the England and Wales Court of Appeals last fall? He's the one who required Apple to publicly retract its claims that Samsung copied the iPad and imposed sanctions on Cupertino when he concluded Tim Cook's lawyers hadn't fully complied. He has now made worldwide headline news again because he signed up as a Samsung expert witness at the U.S. International Trade Commission. Samsung says he was hired by its law firm, not the company, but the ITC filing says 'Sir Robin Jacob working on behalf of Samsung.' His clerk issued a statement according to which Sir Robin had no idea of Samsung's desire to hire him before January — two months after he gave Apple a blast. Leading legal blogs agree that there is no evidence any law was violated, but they suspect that 'the general issue of what engagements retired judges are permitted to accept will be very much up for discussion' and that this was 'a less than savvy public relations move by Samsung' because it casts doubt on the widely-noticed ruling in its favor. As one of them puts it, in the U.K. you 'never know if the judge might be looking for a new job,' so you better 'make sure [you] have fat rolls of cash spilling out of [your] pockets' in front of a U.K. judge."

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  1. so you can't get a job after retirement? by alen · · Score: 2, Informative

    looks bad but in reality a judge like this will probably preside over cases with most companies in a given countries and lots of other large organizations. even if you institute a 2-3 year rule of not taking a job with a party to a lawsuit you preside over that is a lot of potential work and probably infringes on non-compete laws

    1. Re:so you can't get a job after retirement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      looks bad

      Yes, it does. And as a judge, he should avoid "looking bad." Reverse the position: imagine that Judge Lucy Koh (you know, the one who awarded a big-ass judgement against Samsung here in the US) 'retires,' and goes to work in Apple's legal department two months later.

      How many bloody murders are screamed by Slashdot, and how many petitions are generated at Whitehouse.gov by outraged neckbeards, demanding that Pres. Obama become a dictator, step in, and have her thrown in Gitmo, because she was clearly prejudiced, and Apple used its money to buy a friendly ruling against poor little innocent, beleaguered Samsung?

      Repeat after me: It does not matter what company does it - if it's fucking bad behavior, it's bad behavior and deserves to be criticized. You lot need to stop making excuses for your teams. If Samsung does it and it's bad, it deserves criticism. If Apple does it and it's bad, it deserves criticism.

    2. Re:so you can't get a job after retirement? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, it does. And as a judge, he should avoid "looking bad." Reverse the position: imagine that Judge Lucy Koh (you know, the one who awarded a big-ass judgement against Samsung here in the US) 'retires,' and goes to work in Apple's legal department two months later.

      Funny you should mention that. Judge Koh actually did do work for Apple before she became a judge. Are you suggesting she should have recused herself?

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    3. Re:so you can't get a job after retirement? by alen · · Score: 3, Informative

      lucy koh didn't award a cent. in fact she reduced an award that a jury of 12 people awarded apple

      if you're a corporate lawyer or judge presiding over corporate law lawsuits then you deal with so many companies that it would be impossible for you to get a job in your area if you had rules like this

    4. Re:so you can't get a job after retirement? by Americano · · Score: 2

      Right, and if you told politicians that they can't go work for lobbying firms the moment they're out of office, they'd never be able to find a job in the private sector, either! So you can't possible put limits on them going to work for lobbying firms who benefitted from legislation that was passed by the politicians!

      Your argument is an argument in favor of tolerating - even encouraging - political corruption. You do realize that, don't you?

    5. Re:so you can't get a job after retirement? by mspohr · · Score: 2

      All law firms have a formal process in place to make sure that they are not working for both sides in a law case. This can be difficult in large firms but they have to make sure that they are not conflicted. Even if the lawyers are working in different departments and on completely different areas of the law, they recuse themselves from one side of the case.
      There is no reason the same procedures and prohibitions (ethical) should not apply to judges (whether working or "retired").

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    6. Re:so you can't get a job after retirement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It is simply untrue that he retired two months ago. He retired in 2011 - he had to make an application to retire and have that application accepted. He was then _asked_ to return to the bench for the Samsung case because of his expertise, because retired judges can be asked to do that in their field of expertise.

      So his retirement didn't happen in some convenient window between ruling for Samsung and then working for Samsung at all, which upsets your conspiracy theory interpretation apple cart a bit, does it not?

      Which is not to mention that he's not in Samsung's employ at all, but has been contracted by their law firm. To provide advice. In a case in an unrelated area. In a different legal jurisdiction. At an ordinary consulting rate.

      This is a lot of shit designed to attract this kind of aspersion on a judge's character, all kicked off by a dubious post by Florian fucking Mueller for Christ's sake. The summary has conflated a bunch of articles, some evenhanded and some not, into an allegation that Jacob is a 'conflicted judge', and that his expert consulting work for a law firm hired by Samsung is some sort of kickback.

      Can we not try to actually understand the situation before we assume that it's simple, lazy corruption?

      Captcha: retrofit.

  2. delicately speaking.... by rmdingler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This rises a smidge above the appearance of impropiety.

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    1. Re:delicately speaking.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      This former judge appears to be breaking the rules. The terms and conditions of service have an absolute prohibition on returning to practice:

      Prohibition on Practice: A Salaried Employment Judge shall not practise as a barrister or solicitor or be indirectly concerned in any such practice (s.75 Courts and Legal Services Act 1990). The Lord Chancellor also regards a judicial office as a lifetime appointment. Any offer of appointment is therefore made on the understanding that appointees will not return to practice.

      plus a prohibition on any activity that might appear to raise a conflict of interest.

      Outside activities and interests: An Employment Judge should not in any capacity engage in any activity which might undermine, or be reasonably thought to undermine, his or her judicial independence or impartiality.

      Note that the appointment is for life, so he is still covered by the second rule.

    2. Re:delicately speaking.... by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 2

      I agree with you that this stinks of a post-desirous-outcome bribe after-the-fact. It definitely doesn't look good. But what's with the silly title of this article: "Conflicted judges are Classier with English Accents" ???
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      I actually expected something about how people (defendants, claimants) perceive their judge or arbitrator to be "classier" or "fairer" or "more important" if they happened to speak with a particular type of accent. The title turns out to be just a snarky piece of bitchiness. That's so rude and inappropriate and silly. It's getting a little tiresome here on /. these days.

    3. Re:delicately speaking.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      You are misunderstanding. The second one is about judges still acting as judges, which he isn't. He retired.

      And the first doesn't apply either because he isn't practicing as a barrister or solicitor either. He was hired to advise a law firm as an expert. That
      just isn't the same thing.

  3. Appearance more important than fact. by jklovanc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps the judge's expertise is due to the fact that he spent months listening to both sides of the matter, sifting through conflicting evidence and judging the validity of the positions to come up with an unbiased conclusion. There would be no better expert on the case than the judge that heard it. He would be the best person to explain why he made the decision that he did and be the best one to convince others of his logic. It is not necessarily a judge giving a decision so he can get a future job. This is another instance of appearance of conflict being more important that actual conflict.

    Casting doubt is not an issue. If another judge reviewed the ruling and found fault then there would be an issue. Every ruling should be able to be reviewed at any time without the review causing issues. The whole "There is a review there must be something wrong" is stupid. Wait for the review to be over and then make a judgement. Many reviews are done to remove appearances of conflict and prove that no conflict existed.

    1. Re:Appearance more important than fact. by jklovanc · · Score: 2

      His only expertise is as the judge of a case then the court transcripts are the entirety of the evidence.

      According to this article:

      He started practice at the Intellectual Property Bar in 1967. From 1976 to 1981 he was the Junior Counsel for the Comptroller of Patents and for all Government departments in intellectual property.

      Perhaps working in IP for 14 years, five of which as a IP council for the government, might make him an expert. Check out his books, articles and lectures. Yeah, this judge is an expert. UCL seems to think he is an expert too.

      You might want to at least put his name into Google before making statements.

  4. Crease and Desist by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Apple already has the patent on buying judges.

    I predict lawsuits.

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  5. Line 0: Summary and headline mismatch by BitZtream · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Other the the word 'judge', what the fuck does the headline have to do with the summary? Is slashdot trying to get some sort of record for worst 'journalism' ever?

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  6. Integrity of Mr Mueller? Does he have one? by sfcrazy · · Score: 2

    The press has stopped listening to Mr Mueller, but there are still some lazy bloggers out their which take the bait. Mr Mueller when you point a finger at someone else the rest of the four fingers point at you and looking at your monotonous track-record (which is getting painfully boring). Mr Mueller should add a disclaimer to all of your posts that he gets paid by Microsoft and Oracle so people know "For someone so concerned with "integrity" it is utterly unusual to write extremely biased blogs against a particular party (Android in this case) only to be hired as a consultant by the opposition parties (Microsoft and Oracle in this case)."