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Nearly Every NYC Crime Involves Computers, Says Manhattan DA

jjp9999 writes "Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance says cybercrimes are the fastest growing crimes in New York City, and criminals of all types are finding uses for digital tools. The Epoch Times reports that during a Feb. 28 event, Vance said it has reached a point where 'It is rare that a case does not involve some kind of cyber or computer element that we prosecute in our office — whether it is homicide, whether it's financial crime case, whether it's a gang case where the gang members are posting on Facebook where they're going to meet.' He also noted that organized crime groups in New York are shifting their focus to cybercrime, and that many local criminals are working with international hackers."

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  1. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Posting your meeting place on FB gives a crime a "computer element"? I guess in the old days looking through the phone book to pick a pawn shop to rob added a "yellow pages element" to the crime. Most criminals wear a watch to make sure they're "on time" or "on schedule". Better add a Timex division to every police force.

    1. Re:Really? by penix1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, what he is saying is that criminals (gangs in the case you are deriding) are using technology such as FB more to organize those crimes. I suspect he is also trying to say that the police and DA offices are having a difficult time keeping up with the advances in technology.

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    2. Re:Really? by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The more time passes the more the world starts to look like CP2020, we have out of control corporations pushing around corrupt governments, street gangs getting jobs from fixers, all it needs now is a direct brain interface with the internet and we're there.

      Kinda cool in a way.

    3. Re:Really? by lexsird · · Score: 2

      It sounds like buzzword whoring to soak more budget funds out of the tax payer.

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    4. Re:Really? by blueg3 · · Score: 2

      That might be useful, if only watches stored evidence. They don't, but computers do.

      The gist of it is that, in investigating a crime, you need to look where the evidence is. More often today, a lot of this evidence is bits on a computing device or stored with an online service. So, police need to be equipped to actually be able to do that and to be able to do it correctly.

    5. Re:Really? by bfandreas · · Score: 2

      The notorious Elouise "Granny" Smith kept an Excel spreadsheet of all the apples she painted green and rendered inedible.
      Joe "Bazooka" Henries bragged on Facebook how much chewing gum he had stolen.
      Elmer "'Lil Gangsta" Pompelfroy tweeted each dodged fare into the world.
      Richard "Lyndon B. Johnson" Nixon had an AMA on Reddit.
      And Bill "Babyface" Gates admitted to jaywalking on IRC

      It doesn't take too much imagination to fit some computerized equipment into any crime. You just wait. It won't be long before carrying a laptop will be considered being equipped for heineous, unpleasant crime.
      Jaywalking while carrying a laptop will land you in the slammer for life since that's three strikes in one.

      Nobody made a fuss when most crimes in the 70ies and 80ies involved a landline. And before that crime was quite likely to involve shoes. Possibly even underwear.

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    6. Re:Really? by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      I suspect he is also trying to say that the police and DA offices are having a difficult time keeping up with the advances in technology.

      I suspect he's making the case for legislation giving him broader access to online activity inquiries and surveillance without judicial oversight.

      Nothing to see here, just law enforcement asking for their magic network backdoor again. I'm sure the "stop child pornography" argument will be making its appearance soon.

  2. In other news... by bhmit1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nearly every crime involves transportation and communication. This is less of a story about how cybercrime is a threat and we should all unplug from the dangerous internet and worry about the next attack on a major utility company. Rather it's a realization that technology is an extension of our lives now, everything is impacted by it, and that's no different for criminals.

    1. Re:In other news... by ByteSlicer · · Score: 5, Funny

      In other news: Nearly Every NYC Crime Involves Shoes.

    2. Re:In other news... by cellocgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nearly every crime involves transportation and communication.

      Exactly. (I'm feeling too old this AM to type "This" :-) ) I was going to respond that nearly every crime involved breathing.
      So why is it that so many people over 30 (and I'm waaay over 30) seem incapable of learning new shit? Maybe I'm a serious outlier, like most of us on /. , but I live for the opportunity to learn and adjust.

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    3. Re:In other news... by blueg3 · · Score: 2

      And there are forensic specialists that analyze shoeprints at a crime scene. Also fibers left behind by clothing and tire tracks.

    4. Re:In other news... by nabsltd · · Score: 2

      And there are forensic specialists that analyze shoeprints at a crime scene. Also fibers left behind by clothing and tire tracks.

      Yes, they do exist, but despite what TV shows try to tell you, nobody checks for shoeprints when someone breaks into your house and steals everything you own. Unless there is some sort of personal injury, they probably won't even check for fingerprints. In the same way, the police likely aren't going to check to see if the crime against you was "announced" on Facebook.

      As others have noted, the whole article is scare tactics to get laws passed to allow police more ability to violate your rights. That's really obvious when you read stuff like the following in TFA:

      Many local criminals are working with international hackers—often hired guns in the former Soviet bloc who can help them con people from the other side of the world.

      The provocative phrasing ("hired guns", "former Soviet bloc") is just the sort of thing used to try and get people to think that "something must be done about this", just like "it's all for the good of the children".

  3. TIme for computer registration by musterion · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obviously, computers facilitate crime, so we must register them and their users. Think of the income from this that cities like Detriot desperatly need. And while we are at it, no person under 18 should be allowed to have a cellphone wiht a camera. These facilitate "sexting".

    1. Re:TIme for computer registration by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hey, the East Germans tracked every privately owned typewriter so that they could know who might write or might have written subversive or anti-state material. Considering the twisted theorizing and behaviors the USA govt is currently performing, your comms drm concept may fly yet.

  4. Mugging? Murder? You name it... by c0lo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whatever your taste in crime, there's an app for that.

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  5. It does go both ways by transporter_ii · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Last week I noticed some items missing from my front porch. I had installed a couple of game cameras to strategically catch my front door. Went back through and had 4 pictures of the guy taking stuff, and two were quite nice since they are 4 megapixel cameras.

    Pictures got posted on FB (not by me actually, I hate FB) and I had a name for the sheriffs office by the next morning. Even found his FB page so we could compare pictures.

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  6. Who is surprised? by ewanm89 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I haven't read the article.

    Today everything in life requires a computer, to take money out of the bank, going up the elevator, walk through the automatic shop doors, the cctv recording every move in the shop, the alarm system, the opening of the cash register. What's more I'm carrying my smart phone, a credit card.... So far in about 5 minutes and I already can't count how many computers have been involved.

    No, the surprising thing is that the idiotic governments see this as any different to a security guard being sat there and manually writing down a list of people passing him, the guy at the cash register maintaining a list of everyone he served at the counter. They need a warrant to take that list, they think just cause it's a computer rather than a human recording the information a warrant can be ignored!

    1. Re:Who is surprised? by blueg3 · · Score: 2

      They don't. In general, you need a warrant to seize a computer just like you need a warrant to seize anything else. There are currently two major exceptions to this, neither of which is really solidified yet. One is data about you or held on your behalf by a third party. This is murky in the real world, too, but it tends to be less common, whereas digital data held by a third party is very common (e-mail residing on your ISP's servers, for example). The other exception is the search of cell phones when you're arrested. There is already a general physical-world rule that you and your immediate possessions can be searched when you're arrested (recall that an arrest often requires a warrant already); that's a search incident to an arrest. However, if one of those possessions is a cell phone or, worse, a smart phone, there's no clear delineation of how extensively its contents can be searched. In this situation, if you had a paper phonebook, it could be searched. By extension, some argue that any contents of your phone can be searched, but with smartphones, that's giving access to a lot of data.

  7. Shocked, shocked I say! by fldsofglry · · Score: 2

    Criminals use any tool at their disposal. Computers are just now another tool in the toolbox. I guess it helps to know the trend.

  8. CARS!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is rare today to find a crime that doesn't involve an automobile in some way. As a getaway car, the jacked in a carjacking, or as transportation to the airport for those jumping bail, we very rarely see a case cross our desks these days that does not involve a car.

    Therefore, our special car crimes unit needs more money.

    AC

  9. Almost every crime involves people by Stirling+Newberry · · Score: 4, Funny

    This anthrocriminal element is taking over I tell you.

  10. The thing about your more sentient criminals... by rmdingler · · Score: 2

    Is that they're actually forced by their battle with law enforcement to become more innovative, more adept at their trade if you will, in order to remain free to practice their alternative income schemes. Law enforcement is kept busy with all measure of law breakers. Even the burglar who leaves his wallet behind at the scene of the crime requires an arrest, booking, detective interviews, and prosecution. It has occurred to me that much of law enforcement's time and energy go to plucking low-hanging fruit. Is it any wonder they are losing the battle to adapt technologically?

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  11. Which is why Aaron's Law is badly needed... by D4C5CE · · Score: 2

    ...when every minor misdemeanor or even purely civil matter becomes a federal felony.
    The legal response to progress must not be "harsher punishments for every new generation" to consider computers (including cellphones these days) evil because "even" organized crime uses them, and to treat everyone else (who inevitably has to use them as part of one's daily life as well) like a mobster too - until the whole world becomes a "prison planet". Good to see a DA (possibly unintentionally) acknowledge the real issue in the midst of fearmongering.
    Cf. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/02/aarons-law-amending-the-cfaa/

  12. Re:cyber bullshit by Sloppy · · Score: 2

    No problem. We'll just replace "cyber" with "digital" and then it'll sound less stupid.

    [replace replace replace] Hmm.. that's odd. How come it's not working?

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  13. FEAR MONGERING by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fear mongering, to justify warrentless and pervasive "intelligence-gathering". Somehow "regular criminals are using computers to endanger us all!" is expected to resonate.

    The network-connected computer is an incidental and pervasive technology. There is a general level of enablement offered by the technology, to all aspects of society. One of these aspect also happens to be organizing commission of crimes.

    Crime is defined through three elements: Motive, Opportunity and Willingness. The thrust of the argument is that somehow having a computer enhances "opportunity". This requires no greater caution over the technology than landlines, wristwatches or even street lighting.

    The computer is also a passive technology to "intent", like street lighting or automobiles, incidental to the creation of criminal opportunity, as cited by the cops. But there is an insinuation made that the intent aspect is even more heinous, when a computer is introduced as a factor.

    Don't fall for it. Stop feds, stop pigs. Whenever, wherever you can.

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  14. Of course by GrumpySteen · · Score: 3, Funny

    Arson, assault, bail jumping, bigamy, breaking and entering, bribing a police officer, carrying a concealed weapon without a permit, cemetery desecration, child abandonment, child abuse, contempt of court, discharging a firearm within city limits, disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, domestic violence, drug possession, drunk driving, failure to pay child support, incest, indecent exposure, improper disposal of hazardous waste (like contaminated needles), kidnapping, loitering, obstruction of justice, perjury, possessing lockpicks, probation violation, public intoxication, rioting, shoplifting, tampering with a consumer product, trespassing, vandalism, vehicular assault, violating an open container law.

    Clearly it all involves computers!

  15. because of the warrentless wiretapping laws by Nyder · · Score: 2

    What do they expect? They make it so you don't have to get warrents to tap someone phoneline, so no point in using old technology when you can get better protection with new technology.

    Was it a shock when bank robbers stopped using horses and started to use cars to get away?

    Was it a shock when robbers stopped using knifes and went with a gun?

    Is it a shock that a politician doesn't understand how life works?

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    1. Re:because of the warrentless wiretapping laws by zippthorne · · Score: 2

      The point of requiring warrants to do wire tapping is not to protect the right of criminals to get away with crimes. It's to protect the rest of us from officials abusing their power....

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  16. Translation: warrants to seize kthnx by Rogerborg · · Score: 2

    If you find yourself accused of a felony, expect to have seized everything that you own or are likely to have touched that has or might have any memory in it. You'll get it back on the 32nd of Nevember.

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