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Microsoft Fined €561 Million For Non-compliance With EU Browser Settlement

Seeteufel writes "Microsoft's failure to comply with an antitrust settlement about browser choice has severe consequences. The European Commissioner for Competition Almunia set a fine of €561 million (~$732 million) for the unprecedented break of agreement. Microsoft admitted its mistakes and offered further concessions." A pretty costly bug it seems. From the EC press release: "This is the first time that the Commission has had to fine a company for non-compliance with a commitments decision. In the calculation of the fine the Commission took into account the gravity and duration of the infringement, the need to ensure a deterrent effect of the fine and, as a mitigating circumstance, the fact that Microsoft has cooperated with the Commission and provided information which helped the Commission to investigate the matter efficiently."

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  1. Can't believe their arrogance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't believe that a company in 2013 would have the audacity to think it can still get away with bundling its own browser with its OS! You'd never see this sort of behavior out of more responsible corporations like Apple.

    1. Re:Can't believe their arrogance by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, Google bundles the OS with the browser...

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    2. Re:Can't believe their arrogance by jawtheshark · · Score: 5, Informative

      You'd never see this sort of behavior out of more responsible corporations like Apple.

      Look up Apples two year warranty obligations under EU law. They really, really, really don't like it and make the customer believe it's only one year.

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    3. Re:Can't believe their arrogance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once Apple or Google or anyone you care to mention have been convicted of abusing a monopoly position, you may have a point.

      If you believe that Apple or Google or any other company are a monopoly and are abusing their position, and you feel that you have been harmed by this, feel free to file a complaint with the European Competition Commission.

    4. Re:Can't believe their arrogance by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think I like that idea.

      Microsoft can get even by not selling their stuff in Europe. Apple picks up part of the market. Linux gains a bit. Android gains some. ChromeOS gains some too. The various BSD distros. Maybe ecomstation and a few others gain. Sure, go ahead and convince Microsoft to stop selling. Sounds like a win-win proposition to me!

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    5. Re:Can't believe their arrogance by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uhhhh - the AGREEMENT that Microsoft entered into resulted FROM monopoly hearings. The charge here is that Microsoft VIOLATED that AGREEMENT. Whether Microsoft remains a monopoly or not, whether Microsoft blocks other browsers or not, has nothing to do with the fine.

      Try this - get hauled into court for some rather minor charge. Marijuana possession would work. Plead with the judge to not jail your ass. Agree to any demand that he makes, so long as he doesn't send you to jail.

      Then, after you've left the court room, fail to live up to the agreement that you made with that judge.

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    6. Re:Can't believe their arrogance by ConfusedVorlon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      re steep.

      this can only happen if
      1) you lose a gazillion battles and get fined
      2) you agree to do a bunch of stuff as part of your settlement
      3) you don't do it (in a significant way)
      4) it gets noticed

      You have to work pretty hard to get down to #4. The EU wants companies to take #2 extremely seriously.

      MS fought tooth and nail to avoid the fines in #1. The EU commission wants to make 100% sure that if they fight a battle all the way through, and win it -then the company doesn't think they can just ignore the result and get a slap on the wrist.

      This makes a pretty clear statement. "When you agree to do stuff - you'd better do it. It might even be worth paying someone on your staff (perhaps in the audit/compliance dept) to do a check once a month to make sure you are keeping your promises."

    7. Re:Can't believe their arrogance by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're generally wrong. A few years back, having failed countless times to get my mom off IE, I swapped the IE and Firefox icons on her desktop. As far as she can tell, she's still using the "blue e" to "go on the internet". I've had to use the very same trick on my mother-in-law and aunt (no sexism intended). The same applies to renaming "Libre/OpenOffice Writer" to Word, etc... To them, internet == blue e; bookmark manager == postit notes; lightweight text editor == MS Word
      And there's NOTHING anyone can do about it! Ever!

  2. Beginning to feel sorry for Microsoft. by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even as a Microsoft hater of old, I'm beginning to feel sorry for MS. For sure, 15 years ago they were engaged in monopoly abuse to advantage IE. But these days, IE itself is on the way out. WebKit based browsers are the clear majority these days. And neither Apple nor Google have to offer users of their systems a choice of browser.

    It must really rub salt in the wound to have a statutory obligation to offer alternatives to their minority browser.

    1. Re:Beginning to feel sorry for Microsoft. by jareth-0205 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even as a Microsoft hater of old, I'm beginning to feel sorry for MS. For sure, 15 years ago they were engaged in monopoly abuse to advantage IE. But these days, IE itself is on the way out. WebKit based browsers are the clear majority these days. And neither Apple nor Google have to offer users of their systems a choice of browser.

      It must really rub salt in the wound to have a statutory obligation to offer alternatives to their minority browser.

      Well, perhaps, but isn't that the point of a punishment? To punish? Punishments can never happen at the same time as the offence, so they have to happen after! MS have got off pretty lightly really, considering the damage they managed to do in the past.

  3. Re:Mean while in america by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Has a fine like this *ever* been paid in the U.S. though in actuality?

    It either gets fed to the appeals system which reduces it or ties the payment up for so long it's meaningless or it gets ignored and forgotten.

    I can't remember one example of a company just paying the fine and moving on, actually. Does someone else here remember anything like this?

  4. Oh man, this had to happen sooner or later by TechieRefugee · · Score: 5, Funny

    It sure is a *fine* story!

  5. Re:Mean while in america by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who ever said fines were supposed to be proportional to perceived severity of crime? Especially across different judicial systems.

    Fines need to take account of ability to pay. And they also need to be designed to be of a size that will stop reoffending. GIven that Microsoft have reoffended, that's a good indication that the original fine wasn't big enough.

  6. Re:Google OS by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Informative

    This was done under EU anti-monopoly legislation. Microsoft was at the time judged to have a monopoly share of the PC OS market. And as such they couldn't use that monopoly to leverage advantage into the web browser market.

    Since neither Google nor Apple have monopoly shares in any OS platform, they should not and cannot be required to do this.

    One could argue that since Microsoft Windows is now on the slide, and WebKit based browsers are now the market leader, that the anti-monopoly action against Microsoft is no longer necessary. However that is for a court to decide. Not for Microsoft to simply disregard their obligation.

  7. Re:Mean while in america by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mean while in america we fine 1.92 billion HSBC for laundering money for terrorists and drug lords. Apparently laundering money for terrorists and drug lords is only 2.5 (roughly) times as bad as not complying with an EU court settlement.

    Neither is as bad as sharing a song over bittorrent.

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  8. Re:Google OS by jareth-0205 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One could argue that since Microsoft Windows is now on the slide, and WebKit based browsers are now the market leader, that the anti-monopoly action against Microsoft is no longer necessary. However that is for a court to decide. Not for Microsoft to simply disregard their obligation.

    *Plus*, just because a remedy is no longer necessary does not mean it shouldn't still happen. That's the nature of punishments.

    "Oh, Mr Murderer, you're not currently killing anyone? Well then be on your way, you little scamp!"

  9. what about the windows RT lock down and the win 8 by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    what about the windows RT lock down and the win 8 app store how will that go under EU rules?

  10. Re:Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stupid

    Yes, you are, and so is every other person who's already posted the same thing as you.

    Microsoft were referred to the EU Competition Commission due to a complain by Opera. They were found to hold a monopoly on desktop Operating Systems. They were found to be using this monopoly to illegally extend their monopoly into another market, namely web browsers. The original action (being forced to provide Browser Choice) was intended to address their illegal action. Microsoft subsequently ignored this, for 14 months, all the time claiming that they were in compliance. This fine is a result of their actions in ignoring a previous agreement with the EU.

    You can stamp your feet and whine all you like, but that's the law and those are the facts.

    Apple are not expected to comply with the same rules before they have not been referred to the EU Competition Commission and thus legally there is no monopoly status, and therefore can not be using that monopoly to extend their market in other areas.

    If you believe that Apple are a monopoly and that they are harming consumers through their actions relating to that monopoly, please feel free to complain to the EU Competition Commission.

  11. Re:Google OS by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    not necessary now doesn't mean that it didn't happen, of which they were found guilty. The fact that even after they were found guilty they continued to let it happen and denied it, is why they are now seeking this to be a deterrent.

    If you think MS is not doing anything anti-monopoly, I'd like to remind you of the UEFI BIOS issue.

  12. Bug? Not even MS is _that_ incompetent. by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They tested whether they could get away with it and arranged some (fairly transparent) level of deniability. It is really simple: This feature was on the "must work" list for all releases. Such items cannot simply be overlooked unless you are really, really, really incompetent. Not even MS manages to reach this level and certainly not for that long.

    Well, now they know that they cannot get away with more of this immoral and economically damaging (to all but them) business practice. I also think the EU put the fine on the low end, even given their "cooperation".

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  13. What is with all the shills on slashdot today? by bussdriver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft was convicted and lost the appeal. If you were on parole and violated it they would nail you even if it was an accident!
    It isn't fair when a human on parole forgets some legal detail and is nailed. That's 1 person who is not a lawyer trying to continue living their life. Microsoft is a large number of people with their own law firms who are paid to deal with such things. ZERO EXCUSES for almost any human (except the politically connected) and they can have reasonable excuses; Microsoft doesn't.

    Just because they are a corporation (that is, a person in the USA) doesn't mean they should get special treatment.
    The fact the EU can even fine them a decent amount shows they can't just bribe their way out of the legal system; like in the USA... Weak punishments just become part of doing business, nothing changes - the whole purpose is to force compliance!