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Ask Slashdot: Advice For Summer Before Ph.D. Program?

First time accepted submitter tookul03 writes "I'm a graduating senior from a small New England liberal arts college, and have secured a spot in a Biological Science Ph.D. program for the next five years. I realize this coming summer will be my last out of the lab for a long time and am not sure If I am interested in doing something related to my research interests or use it as an opportunity to find some new hobbies/interests. I figured the Slashdot community had a number of individuals who were/are in a similar position (albeit different fields) and could shed some light on things they (or others) had done. Thanks."

228 comments

  1. Hike the Appalachian Trail by EmagGeek · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's a pretty awesome experience.

    1. Re:Hike the Appalachian Trail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone presently hiking the AT, yes, it is awesome.

      I was going to suggest he spend a few months out in nature.

    2. Re:Hike the Appalachian Trail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Posting on slashdot during a through hike is an act too deplorable for words.

      Also, I'm jealous.

    3. Re:Hike the Appalachian Trail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or man up and do the PCT instead.

    4. Re:Hike the Appalachian Trail by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      I had an internet-enabled cell phone in 2001 when I hiked it, and I would routinely post my whereabouts so others would know I was okay.

      But, yeah.. posting to slashdot on a through-hike is just.. wrong. :)

    5. Re:Hike the Appalachian Trail by kulervo · · Score: 2

      Absolutely. I thru hiked the AT between work and law school. I made good friends I am in touch with 10 years later, and a set of memories I will never be able to surpass.

      Standard start dates are around now for an August/September finish, so you might have to settle for a long section hike instead of a thru hike (2000 miles).

    6. Re:Hike the Appalachian Trail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just get outdoors in general to travel and explore the country or a neighbouring country before you begin doctoral studies in the autumn. Relax. Let yourself enjoy life but stay away from consuming alcohol like it is water. You'll have plenty of time to drink yourself into a drunken state after you graduate with that "glorious" piece of paper. Better advise is to start a small business and have your business pay for the doctorate so in the worst case scenario the debt can be written-off. As a private individual you cannot discharge student loans apart from paying them back but a business can declare bankruptcy and all is forgiven. Yeah, USA! (cough, cough)

    7. Re:Hike the Appalachian Trail by cemulli · · Score: 1

      This is a shameless plug, but one of my law school section mates did the same thing. Except on the other end of law school. She finished law school a semester early so she and two others could finish the hike by a September start date for a job. She made a documentary about it, called Beauty Beneath the Dirt, which they just released on DVD.

    8. Re:Hike the Appalachian Trail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the Appalachian Trail ... I'd recommend a hike for Bitterfeld!

      (Hint: Monty Python. It's also a pretty awesome experience.)

  2. Go Get Laid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A lot...

    1. Re:Go Get Laid by akboss · · Score: 1

      Sex,drugs and Rock n roll... Oh wait, that's what I did. Never mind

      --
      "Remember, politicians and diapers should be changed often and for the same reason."
    2. Re:Go Get Laid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet ..

      Go get a part-time. Learn to kiss the right arses to get what you want in your career.

    3. Re:Go Get Laid by Pope · · Score: 1

      Get laid, start a gym and clean food regimen, and drop any bad habits you have NOW.

      --
      It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
    4. Re:Go Get Laid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and drink and party.. Make sure you get laid... a lot. :)

  3. Don't do research! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you've already found a position, then don't do research! Do something wildly different! You're going to be working on something very specific for the next several years. This is your chance to experience something new! Escape while you still can! This is from someone in the MIDDLE of their PhD work!

    1. Re:Don't do research! by paxprobellum · · Score: 1

      I got started early in the lab and I'm glad I did. So each to their own.

  4. This is /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sex, drugs, rock & roll. Next!

  5. party hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and party often

  6. Start working on your dissertation by students · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The sooner you start, the sooner you will finish and get a job that pays better or is more prestigious.

    1. Re:Start working on your dissertation by pesho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I sure hope you are joking.

    2. Re:Start working on your dissertation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yea, as soon as I got a PhD, my next job had a lower salary, actually.

    3. Re:Start working on your dissertation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sorry, no. As soon as he's finished it's a never ending grind for 'what have you published lately?'. Now is the time to enjoy life. It's hard to get the chance after.

      Speaking as someone long into the grind.

    4. Re:Start working on your dissertation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But not too much. Budget some time for a genuine holiday, and when that's over, get to work. I would neither do work the whole summer nor relax the whole summer. The more you can manage to get done before you "officially" start, the better. It will save you on the deadlines later, but keep in mind this is a multi-year marathon and you have to pace yourself. Being overworked when you start is also a bad idea. So, balance it.

    5. Re:Start working on your dissertation by spikenerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As soon as he's finished it's a never ending grind...

      Right. People enjoy what they're good at. He's going for a Ph.D. Those are the kind of people that are good at making an impact. If we were good at "enjoying life", we would have pursued the path of greatest pleasure instead of the path of greatest impact. If he's not happier grinding, he's on the wrong path.

    6. Re:Start working on your dissertation by geezer+nerd · · Score: 1

      Unless things have changed a lot since I went through the process, it is necessary to pick a research problem and get it approved by the faculty of your department to be worthy of research. I don't think most people know what their problem will be the summer before they start the graduate program. I sure did not. I had to get some experience before I could identify a good topic.

    7. Re:Start working on your dissertation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And how could he do this without 1) A Lab, 2) Supplies, 3) An advisor, 4) A topic. A few students go into a PhD with a lab and at least a preliminary project picked out, but the majority of them go in with only a vague idea and need to do rotations and stuff first.

    8. Re:Start working on your dissertation by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      And how could he do this without 1) A Lab, 2) Supplies, 3) An advisor, 4) A topic.

      Easy. You start with a library (or these days, maybe a browser). He should read up on open research questions, read lots of papers, and try to get a feel for what he is interested in. Then he should try to find an adviser that shares his general area of interest. Then he should work with his adviser to pick a research topic. Then he can worry about labs and supplies.

    9. Re:Start working on your dissertation by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, no. As soon as he's finished it's a never ending grind for 'what have you published lately?'. Now is the time to enjoy life. It's hard to get the chance after.

      The next chance is emeritus

    10. Re:Start working on your dissertation by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      He's going for a Ph.D. Those are the kind of people that are good at making an impact.

      Some, for sure. But having spent ten years on staff at various colleges and universities, I can't agree with this categorically.

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    11. Re:Start working on your dissertation by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      No no no.

      He should spend his time researching potential advisers and committee members.

      There is at least one person who will sink him if that person gets on his committee. His job is to have a good idea of who the 'bad ones' are before he has to face them.

      Adviser choice is obviously paramount He should read every publication of potential advisers possible, reverse chron. He should also, somehow identify each of his potential adviser's rivals/enemies and allies.

      I recommend he starts by getting the dean's _secretary_ drunk. Then proceed down the list of administrative staff, selecting long termers with drinking problems. Most campuses are much more relaxed in summer, it's an edge, use it. Then dive into the publication pile. Also run statistical analysis on committee members papers. Find the words they like, use these words. You would be surprised how much parroting back people respond to, even if you are disagreeing with them, as long as you speak with similar vocabulary they like it.

      Reading potential advisers papers will help identify advisers who are working in the same general area he's thinking in. The rest of the exercise is identifying the political ramifications of selecting one of these professors.

      --
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    12. Re:Start working on your dissertation by mcarp · · Score: 1

      This. If you're not getting to work on it right now, please forego your phd and become a construction worker / burger flipper / breeder.

    13. Re:Start working on your dissertation by mcarp · · Score: 1

      Actually since you're asking this question on /. please forego your phd and become a breeder.

    14. Re:Start working on your dissertation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a PI hiring grad students right now. I would advise you to learn something completely different than what you will be studying in grad school. The pool of Ph.D. grads out there is huge, and all too many of them are interchangeable - you don't want to be one of them when it comes time to find a job. Pick up some skills that will distinguish you from your peers, and have fun while you're doing it.

    15. Re:Start working on your dissertation by students · · Score: 1

      Ideally, you should have 1, 3, and 4 picked out before you apply to graduate school. People who state 1, 3, and 4, with backup plans, will look better prepared to an admissions committee. Of course you can change your mind later.

      Funding supplies is the advisor's job, at least in theory.

    16. Re:Start working on your dissertation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is by far the best advise. Find your advisor, and get started working in a lab. It is much easier and better to get all of that started before having to take classes.

    17. Re:Start working on your dissertation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's going for a Ph.D. Those are the kind of people that are good at making an impact.

      You mean the kind of impact that an 8-page CV printed on cardstock makes when it hits the bottom of the trash can?

    18. Re:Start working on your dissertation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a PI hiring grad students right now.

      Pray tell us good sir, why does someone need a graduate degree to work for a private investigator (PI)? Or do you mean you are hiring someone to join you living the Life of Pi? ;)

    19. Re:Start working on your dissertation by Stem_Cell_Brad · · Score: 1

      PI stands for Principal Investigator. This is the leader of a group of scientists, and is the term commonly used by granting agencies, such as NIH, for the person in charge of the project funded by a grant.

    20. Re:Start working on your dissertation by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      To extend that, biology dissertations are often just the research papers they've published stapled together. Which you only write up after you've gotten most of the results, starting writing a paper before getting results is asking life to prove your hypotheses wrong on every level. Starting research before OP is IN a lab is probably not realistic, even for a purely bioinformatics project. Odds are, OP has no idea what his research project will even be.

      So it cannot be done beforehand, and it takes very little time anyway. I "wrote my dissertation" in about two weeks, and the only reason it took that long was because my boss wanted me to write up my methods so the next guy could understand it. And proofread it multiple times for some reason. And I was more interested in browsing slashdot.

      OP could and should start reading every paper he can get the PDF for that seems remotely interesting. Most undergrad schools don't have their students read many primary literature papers, and that's most of what the first year is, at least in my experience.

    21. Re:Start working on your dissertation by Iskender · · Score: 1

      Right. People enjoy what they're good at. He's going for a Ph.D. Those are the kind of people that are good at making an impact. If we were good at "enjoying life", we would have pursued the path of greatest pleasure instead of the path of greatest impact. If he's not happier grinding, he's on the wrong path.

      I hope you're joking, or trolling. These are not either/or choices. The idea of having to either live completely for something or not do it at all is crazy. Unless someone's signing up for a convent that is, and the OP isn't apparently.

      The best way to become a loser is to concentrate on something 120% and then burn oneself out within a couple of years. Even if one were to survive, employers don't want boring people who have only ever done one thing.

    22. Re:Start working on your dissertation by m.shenhav · · Score: 1

      Sorry but that is some grade A B#!!$#!%. Some of the best ideas come in down time - procrastination is in fact a virtue. Giving yourself the space and time to read something outside your field, to do some sports, to dance and read poetry, have fun in whatever way you want - these are things that make you a better scholar. Being stressed 24/7 does not. I will avoid the rant about how a post like yours represents some of the things that are so screwed up about the current academic system.

  7. Travel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Travel! Don't do research but travel and charge your batteries for what comes ahead.

    (Currently writing up PhD thesis and in desperate need for a vacation)

    1. Re:Travel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent Insightful because that's exactly what it is. I finished a PhD last year and went straight into a job (I actually started the job before finishing the PhD) because some opportunities you can't just waste. I had done something similar between my masters and my PhD. So I haven't had a serious traveling on a while.

      Traveling, if it's your thing, sets you free, allows you to meet new people, look at the world differently and as the parent says, you get to charge your batteries. Best way to start a PhD, in my opinion.

  8. Have fun. by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I travelled across the country going from music festival to music festival the summer before I went to grad school. You will have plenty of time to do something research related. Just relax and have a great fucking time, you've earned it.

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    1. Re:Have fun. by pesho · · Score: 1

      I second this. Have fun and travel. Depending how your life turns, this literally may be your last opportunity for the next 20-30 years to see the world. Five years is a bit optimistic for biological sciences PhD these days. Then you will have to get a job (or a postdoc), you may have family and kids ..... None of these are conducive to long periods away from home.

    2. Re:Have fun. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Actually, although you may not realize it at the time, by traveling around you will be collecting new experiences and inspirations. These could indeed turn out to be useful for your research later. Think of all the scientific discoveries that have been found by accident.

      Sometimes if you are purposely concentrating, researching and looking for something, you don't find it. Maybe three years on, you will be stuck on a problem in the lab, and suddenly something from your travels will pop up to give you insight.

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    3. Re:Have fun. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Going to see shows as a spectator isn't as nourishing as getting to know musicians (especially grad school musicians) and forming friendships with them, being part of the extended tribe of musicians in a local scene. It takes an adjustment in thinking, to be an enthusiast who befriends musicians as opposed to a consumer and customer. It's an interesting world, what those creative people experience, and well worth knowing. Pot luck dinner parties are usually an easy way to meet people and form bonds. Have a band over to your house to entertain at a party. Won't cost much but will open amazing doors.

    4. Re:Have fun. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Have fun and travel. Depending how your life turns, this literally may be your last opportunity for the next 20-30 years to see the world.

      I'm taking a wild guess here that you're from the US. The rest of us have time for travel even when we're working (admittedly not 3-6 months at a time, but then again if you want to travel that much you should look for a career that involves travelling).

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  9. relax and take it easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get settled into your new apartment and have fun with hobbies. Homebrew is a good one. If you get bored then you can always read up on your lab groups research topics. Our you could just go smoke weed and fly a kite and sip beers with the college freshmen girls who think your hot shit cuz your going to graduate school.

    1. Re:relax and take it easy by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      the college freshmen girls who think your hot shit cuz your going to graduate school.

      You live in an amusing fantasy world.

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  10. Reconsider. by steevven1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Turn back while you still can.

    1. Re:Reconsider. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Turn back while you still can.

      I second this. Do you have any idea how many biological science phds there are? Any idea how much suffering and frustration you'll get doig a phd? Do anything else. I'm serious. You will make more money with just a masters or even a BA. You will feel better about yourself, still have your hair, have fewer ulcers, lower blood pressure and possible even be able to afford a family.

      A phd ruined my life. Don't let it happen to you.

    2. Re:Reconsider. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turn back while you still can.

      Postdoc is a horrible experience. Even after a few pubs in top journals like Nature / Science / PNAS its very diff. to get a perm jop.

    3. Re:Reconsider. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Turn back while you still can.

      While you're going to ignore this, I know I would have, it's probably some of the best advice you'll ever get.

      I'm a semi-recent PhD from a top-tier biochemistry program, and it was fucking terrible. I only know of one graduate of my old department who doesn't rabidly hate the place. We're talking nearly nervous breakdowns just seeing the outside of the building hate. I got the hell out as fast as I could and now work in industry.

      Good luck on that "secured a spot for 5 years" thing. 5 years is the fairy tail they tell all incoming students. The median is more likely closer to 6, and I've known 8 plusers. Oh sure, 6 instead of 5 doesn't sound that terrible, right? Wrong! When you hit your 4th year of 6 day weeks and asshole professors and time slows down to a crawl, you'd sell your soul to be out just one week earlier.

      The professors at universities, at least the good ones, are not there because they're the best and brightest minds. Sure, they're geniuses, alright, but the real reason they're at the university is because their personalities are too fucked up for the real world. The only people who can make through to getting tenure are warped, horrible people, and they become even more warped and horrible the longer they stay in that environment. I've seen so many students back stabbed and screwed over by PIs in my day. I was in a meeting where a professor, who was at that point on the short list for the Nobel Prize, absentmindedly talked about using his grad students as canon fodder for a larger goal, that sure changed my mind about joining his lab.

      I have a good job now. I'm doing interesting research and have great coworkers. I met my wife in grad school. But in the time that it took me to graduate, I could have easily done a bachelors and masters in an engineering or CS field and be making more money in the area I live, and I would also have an interesting job with good coworkers.

      Everywhere you look, cities, regions, and countries have mission statements saying that they want to be a biotech center. These are lies. There's probably only 3 places in the US with enough company density to reasonably consider living. They're all nice places, but they're expensive. The dirty secret about the biological sciences in general is that the only job you can get with a bachelors degree is technician, Most companies have policies in place that they won't promote you higher than essentially senior technician without a doctorate. So you're forced to do post-graduate work if you don't want a mind-numbing job. So now there's too many PhD's, so you can't even get a job with that anymore. You need a postdoc, so now those are even more of a competetive nightmare than they used to be.

      Change your mind. Go to law school, or business school, or hell, go back for a degree in something that will get you a good job without post graduate work. Those will take a fixed amount of time (and less than a PhD) and money, which will let you plan your future while avoiding the horrible scars of a PhD.

      TL:DR
      Run!!!!

    4. Re:Reconsider. by a_hanso · · Score: 1

      Someone please tell me this is not the case for computer science PhDs. Because I may be on a collision course with one.

    5. Re:Reconsider. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Second that. Have been through the hell (not in biosciences, but it's the same in any field I think). Assistant professor now, have excellent research funding & work conditions, almost 40, unsatisfied, living in a town I dislike, low salary, no house and little savings, looking for ways out to industry and relocate family to some other better place. The industry says okay, welcome, excellent skills, you get an entry-level job. I could have gotten that same offfer 15 years back and skip all the low-paid 80-hrs-a-week serfdom, me idiot.

    6. Re:Reconsider. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get a good job in industry with a C.S. Ph.D. without doing a postdoc. Same cautions about completing the doctorate apply.

    7. Re:Reconsider. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second this also.

      I turned tail in a PhD program after I got a Masters, it was the BEST decision I have made in my life.

    8. Re:Reconsider. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a CS postdoc, I think the job market is competitive, particularly the academic one, but probably better than say physics and some of the bio fields and no more difficult than what you expect in industry. There is a lack of engineering talent in the high tech industry, so if you are decent you are likely to find employment straight out (typical examples are Google, Facebook etc). Commerical labs like IBM, Nokia are possible destinations also. Consulting? Computational problems in biology, chemistry and physics? Many areas need computing and maths expertise, so I think a computing phd can lead to many different jobs.

      Saying that, my suggestion is to pick an area that you like and has good future prospects. For example, probably steer away from logic programming language design - very interesting, but not great deal of jobs that lead from it.

      Also, make sure you are doing a PhD for the right reasons.

      Good luck!

    9. Re:Reconsider. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cannot. Sadly, I've never met a CS PhD who appeared to know a damn thing about programming. One of those idiots even argued that trig functions on a C compiler were all broken .... he was passing degrees and expected correct results. Idiot.

      Stop. Get a job. Make a mistake, have a family, work at 5 different companies over your career, and retire around age 67.

      That is the way it works for most people. PhD or not.

      There are lots of people who didn't get a PhD who have fantastic lives, sufficient money to experience life and don't work themselves crazy.

      Walk away before it is too late.

    10. Re:Reconsider. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends what you did, and also who your PhD advisor is. I had a great advisor, had many publications, and have started a company. I love my work, and had a great time doing my PhD. Of course there were some rather stressful times, but if you want a stress free job, go find something else to do that doesn't require much thought.

    11. Re:Reconsider. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could tell you this, but I'd be lying. I started a job in industry recently, the conditions are far better.

    12. Re:Reconsider. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Of course there were some rather stressful times, but if you want a stress free job, go find something else to do that doesn't require much thought.

      No, if you want a stress free job, find something you enjoy doing. Stress is a result of doing things you don't want to be doing.

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    13. Re:Reconsider. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      if you are an assistant professor looking to go into industry, and you can't find better work than an entry level job, then something is very wrong.

      The options to do better are generally to (a) hit up your network of contacts (you should have a huge number now---all your professor contacts will know an awmy of people who have left and gone into industry) to find sork in your area of expertise, (b) start commercialising some of your work or (c) do consulting work in your area of expertise.

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    14. Re:Reconsider. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DO NOT GO TO LAW SCHOOL. There are very, very few jobs for new lawyers. A quick google search would tell you that.

      Other than that, the comment above is a valid reflection of what happens to more PhD candidates than you'd hope.

      Finally, congrats on your acceptance to a program. I sincerely hope that the sequester doesn't fuck it up for you, your program, and whichever department you land in.

    15. Re:Reconsider. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just finished a Ph.D. in C.S., and it took eight years. On the recruiting visit, they estimated it would take four or five. I look back and see many things I could have done better that would have got me through sooner, but I also look at the graduation times for my peers: 8,9,8,7 years. Lots of people left without finishing. I can think of a couple of people who did it in five, so it is possible. The odds just aren't very favorable.

    16. Re:Reconsider. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what went wrong at the GP's school, but there's one important thing to remember: getting a Ph.D. isn't for everyone, and you can leave if it isn't for you. Usually people who drop out do it around the 2 year mark as that's when you have a masters (if your Ph.D. gives out masters degrees) so you have something to show for your time in graduate school, and you have spent enough time to know whether or not research in a Ph.D. program is a good fit for you. I'm not saying you will definitely leave, but if doesn't work out, you don't have to stay for 6-8 years of agony; only finish the Ph.D. program if you really want to, especially in CS where you can relatively easily leave and get a software developer job.

    17. Re:Reconsider. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I somewhat second this. I loved where my career was going (w/ BS/MS) and had an opportunity to get a PhD supported by my employer. While aspects are enjoyable, I wouldn't do it again. I'll never be in academia so the value of the degree will be limited.

    18. Re:Reconsider. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a second-year CS PhD student. It's the same. I would say do it ONLY if you want to work in academia (which is nuts I think) or at a top-tier industry lab (Google, Microsoft Research, SRI, etc). Turn around.

  11. Girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about girls? That's a nice hobby.

    1. Re:Girls by agm · · Score: 1

      You're assuming that the poster is male (or a lesbian).

    2. Re:Girls by buswolley · · Score: 1

      or should be.

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    3. Re:Girls by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

      Boy are also a nice hobby, if you remember not to take them seriously or take over too much of your time or your life. ;>)

  12. The PhD is not an end-point by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Informative

    I recently completed my PhD so I can offer some very recently acquired information for (hopefully useful) advice.

    First of all, you need to find something else when you finish your PhD. Usually, academics went for a post-doc and non-academics went to industry. The game is a little different now, though, and pretty well everyone needs an academic post-doc, even to go to an industry position. Hence you should be thinking now about what you want to do when you finish, figuring out how to get there from where you are about to go. It really is never too early to start thinking about that. Some people say that the most important thing you do in grad school is line up a post-doc position.

    Second, networking is critical. I highly recommend that you try to get to as many conferences as you can manage when you are a grad student.

    Third, the job market for post-docs right now is terrible, unless you are in the right field at the right time. Right now it seems structural biologists are in high demand but in 5 years it could be something else entirely. Keep an eye on where the job market is going and know how to market yourself to the demand.

    Fourth, start thinking right away about your committees for your time in grad school. You'll probably have a qualifying committee, an advisory committee, and a thesis exam committee. Obviously your advisor will be on all three but the rest might or might not carry over much between the three. Know how to deal with those people, how to keep them happy, and how to get them to help you graduate and network.

    Fifth, if you don't have an adviser already, start talking to current students in the labs of advisers who are looking to pick up students. You want to know what your life will be like, and how long potential advisers generally keep their students around for before they graduate.

    In other words, don't take this summer to escape academia. Take it to prepare for it. If your school graduates most PhDs in 5 years you really don't want to be the person who takes 7 due to lack of preparation.

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    1. Re:The PhD is not an end-point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To put it another way... http://www.lvkarate.com/black_belt_story.html

    2. Re:The PhD is not an end-point by gatzke · · Score: 1

      Post-doc requirement for industry depends on your field.

      Our engineering PhD students generally get industrial spots without a post doc. However, academics do need them now. That changed 10-15 years back, so maybe engineering industrial slots are headed the same way?

    3. Re:The PhD is not an end-point by B1ackDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Having also just completed my PhD, this is hands-down the best advice in the thread for what to do in grad school. (I'm not so sure it's super important to do it all before you arrive on site though.)

      One thing I can suggest as you prepare is to get your personal life together. I went through a divorce during my phd, and it definitely didn't help the process: be aware that doing a PhD can stress your personal relationships and take some time to work that out with your significant other or others you're close with, if you can. It's a time when you will be stressing hard without a whole lot to show for it, monetarily or otherwise. Build a support network with friends and family, and via counseling services at your university if necessary (my "grad student support group" helped tremendously with my own difficulties, both personally and professionally).

      Oh, and since you're going into biological sciences, a great way to prepare for an awesome career is to learn programming, motherfucker. (I suggest python.) The job market is tough for life sciences in general these days, but curiously not if they can program and work the command line... ;) (And while 5 years is a long time in science, starting now will still keep you at the forefront of that skillset.)

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    4. Re:The PhD is not an end-point by buswolley · · Score: 1

      In other words, turn around and run far far far away never to look back.

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    5. Re:The PhD is not an end-point by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Get the deans secretary drunk. Get all the secretaries drunk. Don't fuck any of them (yet).

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    6. Re:The PhD is not an end-point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Hence you should be thinking now about what you want to do when you finish

      No. You should enjoy the time off.

      > Second, networking is critical.

      Yes.

      > Third, the job market for post-docs right now is terrible

      No. The poster state she/he will study biology in the United States. Job outlooks in biology in the US are good. However, government sequestering, which affects NIH funding, does cause uncertainty. Nevertheless, the current problem is irrelevent for a PhD who will graduate in 5 years.

      Since you are in the United States, NIH grant funding trends would point to a research topic such as genomics for (pharmaceutical) cancer treatment.

      > start thinking right away about your committees for your time in grad school

      Huh? The dissertation committe depends upon the friends / future allies of the advisor. Anyway that is two years away. Things change.

      > start talking to current students in the labs of advisers who are looking to pick up students

      Excellent advice! Triple A+++. A minor tweak is that I suggest to contact the (potential) advisor first. Whether she/he replies or not, contact the students for the real info.

    7. Re:The PhD is not an end-point by elashish14 · · Score: 1

      Learning programming before going to school is good advice. It can help you do problem sets if you expect them to be very computational. At the end of my grad work, I was just writing Python scripts and automatically importing them into Latex. Also, other grad students will respect you a lot, as will your advisor as there's never a shortage of computational work to be done. Even if it's just simple stuff like managing webservers and whatnot.

      I wouldn't recommend killing yourself over it - it's probably not worth it if it's something you hate. But if it's something you've long thought you could be good at and make use of, now is the time to capitalize. You won't have the mental energy to do it later.

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    8. Re:The PhD is not an end-point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, don't take this summer to escape academia. Take it to prepare for it. If your school graduates most PhDs in 5 years you really don't want to be the person who takes 7 due to lack of preparation.

      This advice is what burns people out before they even start. I'm 3 years into a neuroscience phd program and I took a year off before I started. I helped my dad self-publish a book, but otherwise I did nothing academic. Let's be clear: I will NEVER regret taking that year off.

      I don't know how it works in other fields, but in neuroscience almost everyone has interests outside of their studies... That's OKAY! During that year I also pursued electronic/experimental music, creative writing, and taught myself basic analog circuitry and object oriented programming. I think the best plan is to relax and do what interests you.

    9. Re:The PhD is not an end-point by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      That all sounds like good advice if you believe, as the parent seemingly does, that maximizing your career is the highest and most worthy goal that anyone can attain. However, I would recommend taking some time to consider what it is that you really want to accomplish in this life. I know from personal experience that it's all too easy to get caught up in one's career, assuming that there will always be time before the end for other things. Meanwhile, the years pass by and a career that began with such promise and ambition sours into regret over what's been sacrificed along the way. Your career is important yes, but it's not the only important thing. I think that if I could go back and tell my younger self something it would be this: Be sure that you're doing what you're doing for the right reasons, not simply because you can or because others, especially your parents, think that you should. Take some time this summer to sit down and think carefully about what it is that you really want and then plan on how to spend the next twenty or thirty years of your life doing and getting those things slowly and methodically, piece by piece. Keep your list close, but never forget who you are and what you want; otherwise you're likely to end up wasting much valuable time and time is the one thing that none of us have in abundance. Finally, when in doubt, it helps to remember that nobody wishes upon their deathbed that they'd spent more time at the office. That's my two cents anyway, for what it's worth.

    10. Re:The PhD is not an end-point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Programming skills are useful in most PhDs. This often determines whether you finish PhD with lots of publications and on time, or frustrated and 3 years late. In fact, coding aptitude can make or break a high-level publication, where the speed of data processing and preparation (time you spend programming what the adviser wants) matters a lot in a race to submit first before a Chinese research group catches up and steamrolls you with their 20-strong grad team working 8 to 11 without holidays to make that Nature submission. A student who knows his way around computers and can script various things wisely and quickly is a valuable asset to any research group. This will not pass unnoticed by your advisor.

    11. Re:The PhD is not an end-point by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      That all sounds like good advice if you believe, as the parent seemingly does, that maximizing your career is the highest and most worthy goal that anyone can attain.

      While it would be great to be an idealist and follow all of one's interests regardless of the career, the job market for new PhDs does not allow it. We are producing too many PhDs and have not enough postdoc positions for them - and it only gets worse from there. Only the people who jettison everything else make it anywhere now, the rest get tossed aside. Even industry positions in biotech are now going only to those who had a successful academic postdoc, in part because that is an easy way for industry to quickly filter out the undesirable.

      In other words the situation is splitting into almost exactly two possible outcomes, success or failure. And at that, the path of success doesn't pay well for some time, but it pays better than failure. That said, failure does allow you time for non-career objectives, which success does not.

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    12. Re:The PhD is not an end-point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is probably good advice. As a CS post-doc, I was actually asked if I was interested in applying for a bio-informatician job via someone I know, even though I had almost no biology (but my cs and maths backgrounds were very relevant). I did get the offer, but I decided to turn it down.

      Python is a good language, my favourite atm, and it seems flavor of the month in the natural sciences, so likely to be many good tools and libraries to use.

    13. Re:The PhD is not an end-point by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I think the Arms Race with irrelevant paper qualificatins has reached a new level of absurdity when a mere PhD is no longer enough and you need a post-doctoral qualification too. At that rate, you won't have your first job until you're 30, which doesn't seem right to me. Fair enough if you're heading for an academic career, but how weird would it be to employ a 30 year old and find out they'd never had a job?

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    14. Re:The PhD is not an end-point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you do all the above, you'll get the added benefit of getting a decent idea of how soul-crushing your next 'five' years -- and beyond -- are going to be.

  13. Drone Hunting or maybe Camel Spotting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Drone Hunting, get a group of friends together with body armor, firearms (if they are still allowed in your country), and video recorders, than go Drone Hunting.

    Should make for an interesting summer. You can upload the video to youtube, and than use the experience when applying for employment.

    Or you could just go Camel Spotting. Camel Spotting could be a lot safer, but not as fun as Drone Hunting.

  14. Have intercourse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll have a head start on your class mates in practical biology

  15. Drink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As someone that has completed their PhD in Physics. I recommend training your liver for heavy drinking.

    Trust me I'm a Doctor.

    1. Re:Drink by the+biologist · · Score: 1

      perhaps not strangely, it is much the same in biology programs.

  16. Don't do research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please, don't do research this summer. You're not going to get a real leg up on anything. Go out; enjoy yourself; get laid.

  17. A summer of other than lab work by drunkenkatori · · Score: 1

    Build something with your hands. Travel. Trek. Try something you've never done before. Do something out of doors.

    I didn't, I wish I had.

    P.S. Graduate as soon as possible. You don't get more points for doing more work as a graduate student. Your post-doc record is way more important if you are trying for the academic track.

  18. Travel the world by FreakNGoat · · Score: 1

    Backpack Europe or somewhere more exotic if you're so inclined. Get some world perspective, have some adventures, experience other cultures. Don't forget to get laid.

    1. Re:Travel the world by quenda · · Score: 1

      Backpack Europe or somewhere more exotic

      That one is so obvious, I wonder why he did not mention it in the question. Maybe he is a rich kid who did that before college?
      If not, then do it! Or if not into backpacking, rent a room somewhere like Berlin for the summer. Is that still popular with American students?
      Great city, though less central for travel than the old favourites like Prague and Paris.

    2. Re:Travel the world by hraponssi · · Score: 1

      perfect advice. there is time to get bored and drown in the grind, now would be the time to enjoy the moment. there is no going back after..

      and leave the work, laptop, whatever at home. can you?

  19. Quit your program now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    PhD is brutal, and the labor market for PhD graduates afterwards is even worse. If you don't want to spend this summer before your PhD to do your research, you don't have enough drive to get through the toughest days ahead and exit from it unharmed.

    1. Re:Quit your program now by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 2

      Second that.

      I recommend the following site for those who are entering or those who are thinking of quitting.

      http://100rsns.blogspot.com/

  20. Camping/Hiking by locater16 · · Score: 1

    Why not? The appalachian trail is driveable relative to you, or if you want an even more amazing experience go out to California and stay a week or two in Yosemite. Or surfing, go somewhere where there's surfing! It's not hard to pick up if your even semi athletic. Whatever you do, you can try photography at the same time, it really lends itself to being a hobby while doing another hobby. Travel or hiking or whatever, wherever you are, you can be taking photos at the same time. Go on an adventure.

    1. Re:Camping/Hiking by quenda · · Score: 1

      Why not? The appalachian trail is driveable relative to you, or if you want an even more amazing experience go out to California

      Why limit your horizons so tightly? He is young, has a whole summer, and there is a world out there.
      No need to be a parochial American. Get a passport.

    2. Re:Camping/Hiking by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      America is a large place. There is plenty to do here, and if he's like most students he's going to need his money.

    3. Re:Camping/Hiking by quenda · · Score: 1

      America is a large place. There is plenty to do here,

      I agree totally. But he already lives there. And how can he appreciate it if he has limited experience of elsewhere?

      and if he's like most students he's going to need his money.

      Then head for Central America. Even Mexico still has some great places to visit, though I admit its not looking much different to the US these days, with all the guns, and Mexicans.

    4. Re:Camping/Hiking by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      1. Mexico isn't in Central America.

      2. The murder rates in Mexico and Central America are far higher than in the US.

      3. I've been there. They don't look like the US.

      4. There aren't as many guns there.

      So your statements are pretty much 100% in error.

  21. Military? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you really can't decide on your own how to spend your free time and you need someone to tell you what to do, perhaps you're well suited for a career in the military.

  22. Backpack in Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you've never been to Europe, I would do it that summer. Travel with a friend and use Eurail (there's benefits for students) and stay in a hostel. If you can swing the airfare, that would be my recommendation.

  23. It depends on your professional track... by Cludge · · Score: 3, Informative

    If plan to work in industry (private sector) or a national lab, then by all means, go ahead and blow off some steam before the slog. But if your plans include an tenure track position in academe, you've got no time for such frivolity. Competition for academic positions in the biological sciences has reached the highest levels ever. Expect between 150 and 250 competitors for each position you will apply for. With that kind of competition, only the shining stars become assistant professors. And current expectations have risen to ridiculous levels of productivity and achievement. So if it's a tenure track position you're after, better use your last summer to get started on a grant proposal and submit your first few manuscripts. That's what it takes these days to succeed in academia.

  24. Dedicate yourself. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " I realize this coming summer will be my last out of the lab for a long time... "

    I'd get a head-start on your PhD. Five years in the lab is nothing. Why waste a summer doing something different and getting a bit of life experience?

  25. Bike tour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's what I did my summer before starting a PhD program:

    Sat on my ass for a month, hanging out with friends every day.
    Went on a three-week bike tour from NYC to Niagara and then Chicago
    Came back and worked a week as a summer camp counselor just for the hell of it
    Then worked two weeks teaching a science camp also just for the hell of it
    Then spent the remainder sitting on my ass and hanging out with friends every day.

    It was probably the best summer of my life.

  26. Find a girlfriend and do some reproductive activit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously,

    though it might sound disrespectful, find a girlfriend and get laid as much as possible while enjoying life, because after you start you would not have a change for doing it in years. Leave the research interests research on private time and the late nights in the lab, for when you are actually there.

    You are never going to be the same age again, or on the same emotional/psychological level as you are now, or have the opportunity to be "free"

  27. Do something relaxing, restful, and healthy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ph.D. programs are intense. They're a ton of work, and they take most or all of your mental capacity, physical well being, and willpower. I'm just about to finish one myself ... its been a long time coming. Here's some of the things that I wish I'd done (or done better) in the summer before I started.

    - Pay off most or all of your debts and/or build up a balance in your bank. Ph.D. students don't make a lot of money. You'll want to do things, and buy things, in the next few years, and you'll be better off if you have some cash on hand. Its not a bad life, but the lack of funds for your personal life can be stressful. If you don't need to worry about that, then....

    - Get in shape. You're about to spend the majority of the next 5-6 years sitting on your ass. So take the opportunity now to get in shape. Find a good solo sport you can do (running, biking, swimming, etc) that you don't hate. When you get to your program, try to do that at least 90 minutes a week. And on a related note ....

    - Learn or come up with a few easy to make recipes that taste really good (to you anyway) and are good for you. They can be staples of your diet, rather than the vending machine. And finally ....

    - Read some books, take in the sunrise and sunset for fun, visit your family, hang out with your friends. Do all the things you won't be able to for the next few years that you know you're going to miss.

    Good luck!

  28. Consdering the fields by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering the fields you're studying I would recommend practicing the phrase, "Would you like fries with that?"

  29. Out of the lab? by Big+Smirk · · Score: 1

    You mean there is something outside the lab?

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    1. Re:Out of the lab? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      The world, is one big lab. Your lab log, is in your head.

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  30. Another way to prepare is to read: by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 2

    http://disciplinedminds.com/
    "In this riveting book about the world of professional work, Jeff Schmidt demonstrates that the workplace is a battleground for the very identity of the individual, as is graduate school, where professionals are trained. He shows that professional work is inherently political, and that professionals are hired to subordinate their own vision and maintain strict "ideological discipline."
        The hidden root of much career dissatisfaction, argues Schmidt, is the professional's lack of control over the political component of his or her creative work. Many professionals set out to make a contribution to society and add meaning to their lives. Yet our system of professional education and employment abusively inculcates an acceptance of politically subordinate roles in which professionals typically do not make a significant difference, undermining the creative potential of individuals, organizations and even democracy."

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  31. Get out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You will spend a significant amount of your life time in front of a computer inside a lab.
    Go get a life in the outdoors: hiking, climbing, travelling as much as you can.
    I didn't do that, now I feel like "OMFG, I should have done that".

  32. Re:It's never too late... by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Informative

    In almost every case it is acceptable to use a comma before "and". In the case of a series, it's a Harvard/Oxford/serial comma (and is either present or absent, depending on the editorial style of whoever you're writing for). In the case of a compound sentence, it is required. And in the case of a compound predicate (as in this sentence), it is considered optional. As a rule, you should not use a comma in a compound predicate unless the sentence is fairly complex. I probably would not have put in that comma, but I also probably would not have objected if someone else had put it in.

    The only situation I can think of in which it is actually wrong (as opposed to being required or being a style issue) to use a comma before the word "and" is when you're writing a simple series of two things, e.g. "The boy, and girl went to the store."

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  33. Best to get started by Anthracene · · Score: 3, Informative

    Move to your new university and use the summer to do (at least one) research rotation.

    Here's why: you said "for the next 5 years." I'm not sure where you got that time period from, but if you're doing your PhD in the US, you're going to find that it's a completely open ended process. This is *really* important to internalize, because every other form of education that you've had experience with has a fixed term: you do what they tell you to for the prescribed time period and at the end they hand you the diploma. You can't run down the clock on a PhD. You don't graduate until you can convince your advisor that you've done enough to merit the degree. And it's generally against your advisor's personal interests to let you graduate.

    So, if you want to complete your degree in a reasonable period of time (e.g. 5 years), you have two tasks: 1) Find a lab with a research advisor who you like and trust, because you're putting your life in his or her hands. If you wouldn't give him/her copies of your keys and your ATM PIN, you shouldn't be in that lab. 2) Get established in that lab so you can start organizing and taking charge of your own project and working toward first-author publications.

    The first step towards this is doing lab rotations. Summer is often a good time to do these, because your first year is likely to be filled up with classes which will make it difficult to spend enough time in a lab to really get a feel for it. Just make sure that the PI in whichever lab you're rotating in is going to be around (sometimes they are gone for months at a time in the summer) because the most important thing you need to get out of the rotation is deciding whether you trust the PI.

    I suspect there will be several threads of people recommending various voyages of self-discovery or self-education. If you had something that you really *wanted* to do, I wouldn't try to talk you out of it, but from the way you've phrased your question it doesn't really sound like there is, and there's no point finding a new hobby this summer that you won't have time to continue once you start your program.

    Best of luck with your program.

  34. re: commas don't go before "and." by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

    re: commas don't go before "and."
    .
    There are three types of rules: rules meant to be followed, rules meant to be broken, and rules that fuck with your mind. [see the example of what I did there?] When you have a list with multiple items separated by commas, it is permissible to put the "and" prefacing the last item even though it will be preceded by a comma.
    ;>)
    Just to be persnickety is why I point this out. Now that particular rule does not apply to the ask-slashdot-author's sentence, but I thought I'd point out that the simple rule of commas not going before "&" is not as clear-cut as it seems. [notice the comma before the ''but'']

  35. Go to Europe or Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have the rest of your life to work and the next 5 years (it's cute you think you'll be out in 5 years ... 6 to 7 is more likely especially in biochem) to toil in the lab. You won't be making any meaningful contribution (certainly not manuscripts or grant proposal) to the lab or science until your third year.

    Get out and see the world.

  36. advice from current graduate student by beckett · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are doing a PhD, your subject matter will have to become your hobby. it shouldn't be your only one, but you should be absolutely enraptured with what you're studying. You are guaranteed to run into a dichotomous moment in your 5-7 year program where you will honestly consider quitting. It will only be through your personal passion and drive that gets you through the 'salmon of doubt'.

    Since your spot is secured, you either have obtained grants, you have an academic advisor, or both. Spend the summer reading everything your advisor has written, and read everything in your field. If you are coming into a new PhD program you will most likely have a comprehensive exam (ours is verbal) where your committee will test your knowledge in the field to the point they would be comfortable allowing you to research independently. If you have not formed a research committee, use the summer to select internal and external examiners for your project. Selecting your committee is like drafting for a hockey team: there are heavy hitters and there are marginal academics. you may even encounter, as i have, a committee member that will attempt to sabotage your research. that's all part of grad school, so investigate who you're working with through previous students. Your prospective committee's individual publications is a good first step.

    Spend the summer reading to the level where you can converse with someone in your field and be able to drop first and last names of the most pertinent research done between the last 50-100 years ago; much of this research (at least in my field of fish larval development) will be in the stacks and in the library; it is incredibly irksome to encounter a PhD candidate that has no references out of what they could pull out of an online paywall. A lack of understanding the foundational research makes the researcher rootless; it is as if a leaf has no idea it is attached to a tree.

    Don't stop reading. keep reading. you should be reading already, but keep reading throughout the summer. clearcut an entire state of trees if you need to; keep reading. This is a primary failure mode of the graduate student: not everyone can take graduate school because not everybody can stand having their brain physiologically rewired on a daily basis as they encounter conflicting research, bad research, obscure research, and science-related gossip. Read until you feel comfortable holding conflicting ideas in your head. read until you find yourself asking a question that leads to no answer, and begin to formulate your project from there.

    Changing gears slightly, the second most important thing to knowing your pertinent research intimately is the ability to communicate science to non scientists. My program stresses and indoctrinates strong presentation skills. i would highly recommend reading a book like Randy Olson's Don't Be Such a Scientist. Learn the jargon, and learn to internalise the jargon and be able to speak to non-technical audiences. the more you can communicate your message and research, the better you will be.

    Good luck!

    1. Re:advice from current graduate student by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other primary mode of failure of a graduate student is to spend all of their time reading and none actually doing independent thinking. Urk. Hope that's not you.

      The parent's advice comes "caveat emptor" --- they haven't graduated yet. Look for somebody with 5-10 years of experience (like your advisor!) to give you a higher level view of what you should be doing.

    2. Re:advice from current graduate student by beckett · · Score: 1

      i guess you didn't read my post too closely.

      read, comprehend, then post.

    3. Re:advice from current graduate student by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i guess you didn't read my post too closely

      It is slashdot after all!

    4. Re:advice from current graduate student by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Previous AC seems to have proven your point nicely: most people suck at reading. But you can't suck at it if you're pursuing a PhD in anything.

  37. go travelling or build up some money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Either (as others have suggested already) go traveling as its nice to do something not PhD related, although at least in the early years of your PhD you will have likely have the chance to travel to conferences in places far away from home and can always take an extended trip afterwards. You'll also have some time off in the early years of a PhD, but don't expect any in the last year!

    Alternatively try and get a high paid job for the summer, if possible in something related to the PhD or that will give you some useful skills.
    I'm guessing the PhD doesn't pay too well compared with some of the graduate jobs you could be doing (mine didn't at least). Depending on your funding it might be nice to have a bit of extra cash and some extra work experience might help secure a postdoc position in a few years. I don't know how it works at your university, but at mine most people take longer to complete their PhD than their funding lasts, so having some extra money saved up for the end is really useful.

  38. Read a book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll work for the rest of your life whether you want it or not, do something that defines who you are, no what you are. Don't become like most of the losers here. You should work to make money and enjoy life, not to make work the purpose of your life.

    Other than that, just have fun. No matter what anyone says, these are among your last few days of freedom, after that, unless you win big at the lottery, you'll work for the rest of your life and worry about money after you stop.

  39. Take a long, unstructured vacation. by Qeyser · · Score: 1

    Now is your chance.

    In between my Ph.D. and first post-doctoral stint, I took three months off. Bicycle touring, surfing lessons, and visiting friends across the country. It was one of the best things I've ever done (even considering the credit card debt).

    So whatever counts as an adventure for you, go and do it now. Unstructured time off is hard to come by in the sciences, except for the very few elite scientists and engineers who can manage their career on a 40 hour work week. I'm now in year 5 of my post-doctoral work, and I don't see another vacation like that any time soon.

  40. WTF by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    And once again, the collective /. intelligence drops a little.
    "What should I do the summer before I start my PhD program, party or work?"

    Jebus, dude, it's simple. Here ya go (budget 6 weeks for this):

    1. Buy/rent skis and a good road bike.
    2. Obtain plane/train/bus tickets to Zermatt in early June.
    3. Ski the glacier for a week.
    4. Ship the skis home (you don't want to haul them around for the next month)
    5. Bike down the Alps to the coast, meeting the water at or around Nice
    6. Continue your bike trip from Nice, down the coast, until you hit Barcelona
    7. Turn inland, through Zaragoza, Guadalajara, until you get to Madrid
    8. In Madrid, find a little bar. It's kinda near the Plaza del Sol. Tell Nico that Pete (the weird American that used to go out with Asphen) sent you. He'll hook you up.
    9. Party a couple more days.
    10. Sell the bike and fly home
    11. Continue with the rest of your life.
    12. Profit!

    Oh...you don't like doing that? Well then...find something else. (but don't blame me when you have a crappier time)

    1. Re:WTF by Kittenman · · Score: 1

      And once again, the collective /. intelligence drops a little. "What should I do the summer before I start my PhD program, party or work?" Jebus, dude, it's simple. Here ya go (budget 6 weeks for this): 1. Buy/rent skis and a good road bike. 2. Obtain plane/train/bus tickets to Zermatt in early June. 3. Ski the glacier for a week. 4. Ship the skis home (you don't want to haul them around for the next month) 5. Bike down the Alps to the coast, meeting the water at or around Nice 6. Continue your bike trip from Nice, down the coast, until you hit Barcelona 7. Turn inland, through Zaragoza, Guadalajara, until you get to Madrid 8. In Madrid, find a little bar. It's kinda near the Plaza del Sol. Tell Nico that Pete (the weird American that used to go out with Asphen) sent you. He'll hook you up. 9. Party a couple more days. 10. Sell the bike and fly home 11. Continue with the rest of your life. 12. Profit! Oh...you don't like doing that? Well then...find something else. (but don't blame me when you have a crappier time)

      I am interested in your life plan and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

      And you're right, that's the way to do it.

      --
      "The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
    2. Re:WTF by SilverJets · · Score: 1

      And once again, the collective /. intelligence drops a little.
      "What should I do the summer before I start my PhD program, party or work?"
       

      Drops a little?

      To subby....WTF? You need to ask Slashdot what to do over the summer? Do you ask your parents for permission to stay out late on a school night too?

  41. Go to Paris by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1

    Go to Paris (not the one in Texas.) Seek out the company of amiable women (or whatever you're into.) Drink, eat, sleep, repeat. Do not take your laptop with you. Take the train to Barcelona of Brussels.

    --
    Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
    1. Re:Go to Paris by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      That will make your adviser seem like less of an asshole in comparison.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  42. Re:It's never too late... by quenda · · Score: 1

    It's never too late to go back to middle school; hopefully, this time they can teach you that commas don't go before "and." :p

    Your use of semicolons is archaic; did you attend middle school in 1854? And there is nothing wrong with a comma before a conjunction. (Were you thinking of lists?) If you want to be picky, formal grammar would like an "I" pronoun in the second clause, but it is a slashdot question, not his thesis.

    BTW, for us non-yanks (sic), hwo do you move from "liberal arts" to a science Ph.D. ? Have they lowered the entry requirements that much?

  43. If you're somewhere there are startups... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go hang around the startup community. One of the things that drives many a PhD into the dust eventually is the never ending cycle of

    grant-writing- > farm out the cool stuff to less senior people -> attend endless PI meetings -> rinse & repeat.

    It's good to get perspectives from communities of people who dream big and fail (or succeed) hard. Gives you a different way to think of things, and sometimes that's all you need to rise to the top and become someone who influences the direction of Big Science rather than feeds at its edges. Go to TED. Find TEDx if you can't go to TED.

    But spend your summer Thinking Big.

    1. Re:If you're somewhere there are startups... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely why I did not finish my PhD. I wanted to be an engineer, not a beggar. I have no desire for anyone to know who I am without ever having met me. I don't care if my name is on a bunch of plaques somewhere.

  44. Bad news for you by jw3 · · Score: 1

    Counting from the start of my PhD program, I have spent over 15 years doing science (biology) -- most of my grown-up life. I'm still doing science, it's my life. And what I have to say to you, young padawan, is not nice.

    You are about to do the most thrilling (awesome, exciting, depressing, frustrating, crazy, fulfilling, everything at once) thing on Earth, you will be doing bloody science, and you think about getting ...new hobbies? New interests? All that in a fashion of someone shopping for a new T-shirt? (ah, skydiving, seems nice, I'll take a pair).

    How will you come up with ideas for your research if you have not enough curiosity and interest in the world around you, and you have to fish for interests / hobbies on Slashdot? This is how your question sounds for me: "I just got an apprenticeship at NASA, can someone give me an idea for a new hobby? 'cause I have none". If you need to ask a question like that, then better ask yourself whether PhD in science is really what you want.

    Apart from that, if you already have anything that you like to do with your free time, plus you have some kind of relationship (or plan to have one), plus you will take your science seriously, you will have barely any time to pursue "new hobbies / interests". Go and read http://www.phdcomics.com/.

    And get out of my lawn.

  45. Go get a minimum wage job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go get a minimum wage job for the summer, so that during grad school, you can look back and remember what it was like to be rich.

  46. Get a minimum wage job! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a minimum wage job doing the most physical task you can find and work the longest hours they will give you. Dig ditches, be a waiter or a cook in a popular restaurant, Push a lawn mower, pave roads, work construction, or join a roofing crew. If it's hot, dirty and low paying job, apply!

    You will earn some money to pay some bills, so pay on your student loans (if you have them). If you don't have loans, put the money into savings or treat your parents to a vacation.

    But the real benefit is you can look back when you get tired of being locked in the lab and tell yourself "I'm NEVER going to work like that again, so I need keep my eye on the prize and to study hard!"

    1. Re:Get a minimum wage job! by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Gee.... And I thought mowing lawns for 3 summers for minimum wage had no upside beyond the paycheck. You are right, I DON"T want to go back.

      --
      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
  47. Take a step by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Find a teacher and learn tai chi.

    You will never regret it and may well find the benefits profound.

    --
    You are welcome on my lawn.
  48. Enjoy your time and don't think about science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will be one of the last time you will not have a research project in your life. Do something that you enjoy that does not involve science. Working the summer before does get you ahead. You will finish when you finish.

  49. Last Hurrah by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    Really, the only thing to do that makes sense is to spend your time enjoying yourself in the most hedonistic way possible.

    Once your classes start you will be working 16 hour days 7 days a week until your dissertation is accepted.

    And then if you choose an academic life it will start all over again until you get tenure.

    This is your last chance for what could be more than a decade. Make the most of it.

  50. Take it easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in the write-up stage of my PhD. My advice would be not to sweat it, when you're doing your lab work you'll have time to go and do things if you are well organised; like tacking a week of holidays onto the end of a conference trip and so on. When you start to write up, write papers and so on, bear in mind that it will take you longer than you think most of the time. By the end of it all you will be sick of it and it just takes forever to focus and sift through that mountain of data and experience to distill it.

  51. One option is to dwell really intense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for the entire summer on what to do, and by the time you figure it out the summer is over. Problem solved!

    So, some university thinks you are smart enough to be part of their phd program (I'm assuming they are also pumping some money into you), but you can't figure out what to do with your last summer. Wow! I hope they don't let you use sharp objects. Next time you are in a conundrum flip a coin genius... heads is choice A, tails is not choice A. If it lands on the edge go join a monastery.

  52. Live it up while you can... by whargoul · · Score: 1

    Because you're going to be busy.
    I suggest hookers, a case of viagra and pounds of coke or ex.

  53. Re:It's never too late... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    He's attending a liberal arts college. He didn't say he was a liberal arts major.

    Such places often have science curricula and grant science degrees.

    Here is an example of such:

    http://www.bates.edu/biology/

  54. Read PhD Comics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    read http://www.phdcomics.com

  55. get in the mindset by mako1138 · · Score: 1

    You don't want to pick up new interests unless they directly support your life/sanity as a PhD student. Things like learning to cook or getting into fitness, yes. Things like learning Haskell for a great good, picking up Arduino, not so much. Learning R, okay maybe that'll save you time down the road. You only have so many spare cycles for technical stuff, I've found, and any half-started projects will only linger around frustratingly.

    If you have a qualifying exam in your program, find out what's on it and get an idea of how difficult it will be. Start studying; it doesn't have to be every day, but it'll do wonders to go into it with confidence.

  56. Bio PhDs? What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I know people with Bio PhDs who became stay-at-home mothers, fathers, cafe workers, janitors and low level IT people. You should spend the summer thinking about what your job prospects will look like after getting no marketable skills after five years of graduate school.

    1. Re:Bio PhDs? What's the point? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of different programs that fall under the description of "Bio PhD". If this person is doing a PhD in Biology, they will have a hard time (perhaps even harder if they are doing "Behavioral Biology" or something of that sort). However there are other affiliated "Bio" studies that are doing quite well in terms of job placement - Structural Biology comes to mind, and Biochemistry in general often does as well. Hell Bioinformatics is generally pretty solid for opportunities as well.

      Though generally if one finishes a PhD with "no marketable skills", there has been a failing of at least the student and the adviser, and possibly others as well.

      --
      Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
  57. A slight misunderstanding... by the+biologist · · Score: 1

    They've only found a position until the preliminary exam process, sometime in year #2. They have to pass the exams in order to have the remaining time they seem to be thinking they have.

  58. make sure that PhD is that you really want to do by brainscauseminds · · Score: 1

    Just saying that maybe you should reconsider alternative things you could also do. I'm not saying that PhD is a wrong decision, but its a painful one. Research is hard and getting stuff published in respectable places is even harder. Make sure you are ready to spend the best years of your life doing that.

  59. Re:It's never too late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the case of a compound sentence, it is required. And in the case of a compound predicate (as in this sentence), it is considered optional.

    When is a period before the word 'and' permitted?

  60. psilocybin mushrooms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    psilocybin mushrooms

    You might alter the path of your life.

    1. Re:psilocybin mushrooms by berbo · · Score: 1

      Seriously, take drugs, sleep. when you're awake and sober, read anything that isn't in your academic field.

  61. Travel 2nd or 3rd world by nappingcracker · · Score: 1

    Like others, I recommend traveling, but internationally. Go somewhere beautiful, affordable, and that has a few world heritage locations. Europe is nice, but very expensive. Go to Peru, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam. Get out and see other cultures, eat interesting foods, struggle with foreign languages and communication. This will be scary and fun and exciting and stressful and will give you more perspective than simply doing the AT or getting drunk with other foreigners in hostels around EU. Any international traveling will give you perspective, but IME I prefer the less traveled path. Live cheap, travel light, take nice photos and have fun.

    --
    |plastic....or gasoline?|
  62. start yer own biz by capaslash · · Score: 1

    Get a job first. Infiltrate this business; learn how things work. Then quit and start your own company. Read "How to Get Rich" by Felix Dennis.

  63. I can't believe... by Barny · · Score: 1

    No one has suggested this? Get yourself a wow account, huddle up in a basement somewhere and blow your year on a terrible addiction. Then you will not need your extra letters on your name, you will have a bloodelf that will do you proud!

    --
    ...
    /me sighs
  64. Go have fun. by anom · · Score: 1

    I graduate from my PhD program this May (*epic sighs of relief*), and have a lot of friends who are going the PhD route.

    Some of them have a good time, more of them have been having a bad time. PhD programs have something like 50% dropout rates, and if you finally do graduate the job market sucks.

    Regardless of how well you like it, you will work your ass off. It will consume the next five years of your life, and that's before you even hit "real life".

    I actually had a pretty easy time during most of the first or two of my program -- I didn't find the coursework difficult and the research load was not yet high. My then girlfriend (now wife) and I would go to restaurants as much as we could afford, do things outdoors, do things in the city; we just generally had an amazing time of it. Then, we both got slammed as I entered the heavy research phase and she started to get slammed in medical school. When we graduate I'll get a job and she'll go right into residency.

    I told you all that to tell you that for a time, I worked less hard than I could have and did as much fun stuff as possible (within reason), and I don't regret it for a moment. The fond memories I have of the time still cheer me up today, and I wouldn't trade them for anything.

  65. Re:It's never too late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you get it? If the man has reached the high echelons of academics, no prole such as you can dare speak ill of his faults. It is like you are new to the upper classes. :p

  66. bike trip! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Europe is very bike friendly. The best places with bike paths and campsites are Holland, Germany, Denmark, etc... that's what I did before starting my PhD in biophysics... it's cheap, very rewarding, and gives you time to reflect. the music festivals suggestion above is also a good one! i wish i had done that!

    1. Re:bike trip! by berbo · · Score: 1

      I found biking an excellent way to relax during graduate school as well.

  67. The English Major Smackdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In almost every case it is acceptable to use a comma before "and". In the case of a series, it's a Harvard/Oxford/serial comma (and is either present or absent, depending on the editorial style of whoever you're writing for). In the case of a compound sentence, it is required. And in the case of a compound predicate (as in this sentence), it is considered optional. As a rule, you should not use a comma in a compound predicate unless the sentence is fairly complex. I probably would not have put in that comma, but I also probably would not have objected if someone else had put it in.

    The only situation I can think of in which it is actually wrong (as opposed to being required or being a style issue) to use a comma before the word "and" is when you're writing a simple series of two things, e.g. "The boy, and girl went to the store."

    English major or not, I bet you're really glad for those English classes you took.

    Finally, a Liberal Arts smack down on Slashdot! This and the recent criticisms against Apple make me realize that times change - even here on Slashdot!

    Or the World is coming to an end. Wait - criticism against Apple gets modded up. An English Major gets modd'ed +5 - OH GOD! THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END! WE'RE DOOMED!

  68. Become useful... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nearly all the Masters' and Ph.D's I've had the "pleasure" of working with are completely incapable of _doing_ what they spent a decade _learning_. I'm convinced they just took the grad school route to simply delay the inevitable.

  69. Qualifying Exams by twistedcubic · · Score: 1

    The best advice you will ever get: Starting today, spend every single day studying for your PhD exams. Next summer, after you finish the exams, you can hike the Appalachians. Your professors will consider you a genius, or at worst hard-working, and they will write you great recommendations. Don't waste time while you're in graduate school.

  70. Go for a hike- by gatzke · · Score: 1

    I had a short summer, as my undergrad got out late and my grad school started early. Lucky for me, my little brother had just graduated from high school.

    We started hiking the southern end of the Appalachian Trail, starting at Springer Mountain. After about three weeks, we managed to get to Clingman's Dome in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.

    This experience changed my life. I absolutely loved it.

    Brother and and I got struck by lightning. On separate occasions. (more like shocked)

    We stopped for a full day about every week to rest and recover. At the start it was hard to do 10-12 miles per day with a full pack. At the end we were doing 20-25 with no trouble.

    Out with nature, relaxing, nothing to really think about but getting to the next stopping point and feeding yourself.

    Awesome experience!

  71. Get a jump on your new city and school by HomeySmurf · · Score: 1

    Some (many?) programs will let you start doing rotations and projects the summer before you start your program. There are a whole heap of reasons for getting there early. Once school starts you'll be expected to be taking classes, doing research, selecting a lab/PI, and getting familiar with a new area (going from a small liberal arts college to a research university may involve a change of city in your case).

    In your early years there is a lot pressure to do well in classes, and f you are coming out of undergrad there will be momentum to focus on your coursework, particularly as you get ready for quals. It is hard to get settled into a new lab and be productive, so your research suffers and it is hard to do well and impress potential advisors and be happy about your research work. If you start during the summer, you'll have some research momentum that will carry you through your classwork time. It also gives you time to learn the new area and all the little details you need for your life. Finally, many programs don't already have a PI picked out for you, so you can spend time going to any summer seminars are going on, sit in on different lab meetings (to learn about the culture of how the lab works), and generally start to learn about what is actually going on. Anything you are reading in papers or even on the lab website is about what the lab used to be doing, sometimes wildly out of date, and sometimes the projects that are already well established are precisely the ones you won't be able to work on or won't want to, because there is already an army of postdocs and grad students already working on them. You can scope out the landscape and find the interesting new research areas that are just emerging.

    I wouldn't worry about starting a hobby right now. Once school starts, you can meet your no cohort of students. There will usually be some people who are into something new that you aren't into (rock climbing, wine tasting, soccer, skiing, distance biking, juggling, whatever). That's a good way to discover new hobbies and interests, and a good way to bond with your colleagues. Science is good about bringing together people from eclectic backgrounds, particularly globally/internationally, and it is good way to be exposed to different cultures, foods, ways of thinking, etc. One big transition from undergrad to grad school in science is that usually there is a big jump in the internationalized character of the grad students and postdocs you interact with. They will definitely be introducing you to new things. At the very least, your new university will have student groups, and usually there will be an activity fair (yeah, even for grad students), so you can have a chance to learn about new groups. You can even put together an intramural team (choose your sport) in your department.

    A few years into school, you will have time and options to try something new. There is a big lull after you finish quals and classes (and hopefully finished TAing) while you are just doing your dissertation research, that is a sort of the long dark stretch. That's a good time that you will want to be getting out of the lab now and again so you don't go bonkers. Don't think about it being "my last out of the lab for a long time". Grad school is a long, indeterminate stretch of time. It's a marathon or endurance run not a sprint, so you will need to take breaks and vacations as you go. Once you are in the long research stretch, you will actually have some flexibility to take vacations and so forth. Most advisors are fine with you taking some away breaks now and again, as long as you are being really productive most of the time.

    Good luck in grad school! It is can be really trying at times, but it is fun and worth it. The upcoming sequester is going to have big effects on how biological science is funded, good luck!

    --
    "Politics is for the moment, an equation lasts eternity" -A. Einstein
  72. Try out a real job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The summer before I started my biological sciences PhD in the mid-1990's, I temped in offices and other work low-paid environments. All places I worked at thought I was fantastic and two offered me permanent positions with a promotion into management.

    As someone who had never worked outside of a research environment, this was an excellent experience for two reasons. 1) it showed me I had skills and a work ethic to succeed in the outside world and 2) it showed me that most "normal" work is tedious, boring, regimented and difficult. There were several points in my career since where I truly valued this insight about other options. I took on more risky projects because I knew if I failed at science I could get a real job and when I've gotten bored or frustrated with being an assistant professor, I realize that most people have it waay worse.

    The other thing it taught me to deal with the kick in the gut when you don't get hired.

    (I also went to Vegas for a weekend.)

  73. Sex, Drugs, Rock and Roll by SampleFish · · Score: 1

    Get out. Breathe some fresh air. Go to some big events. Get some exercise. Live it up.

  74. Lighten Up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To all the people who say he should choose between being "serious" and pursuing something non-work-related, I say this is BS!

    The best physicists, biologists, engineers, etc. I know have a healthy love of non-work-related activities, whether its hiking/backpacking, surfing, woodworking, cycling, music, literature, dance, whatever, It makes them much better at their field because they can think beyond the rut. I can't tell you how many people I know have had their breakthrough insights as they were doing something that invigorated them that had nothing to do with work.

  75. Do what most slshdotters do... by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

    Play video games, drink beer, and occasionally masturbate. I think that pretty much covers it, and it also covers things that you probably won't have time to do during grad school.

    /Uni prof

  76. Travel by greenfield · · Score: 1
    Pick a place that has always intrigued you and travel there. If you have to borrow the money to travel to the place, do it.

    You have a few months to experience life in another location and with another culture with few restrictions. Seize the day.

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    --Sam

  77. Do something... by globaljustin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    screw the Appalachian Trail...well, not really. Don't let other people's idea of 'adventure' bias your decision.

    The idea is, do something that requires alot of time and commitment that you truly enjoy. Something that the future you're going for may not allow the flexibility for. It can be something challenging like a long backpacking trip. That's a popular thing to do in this situation.

    Let's say you're going to be an oceanographer. You're going to have all kinds of adventures in your program. You probably already have had some interesting research trips. You might want to try to see a baseball game in every stadium in the National League or something like that.

    Don't be the kind of person who does things 'for the story' so you can look cool.

    --
    Thank you Dave Raggett
    1. Re:Do something... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to try to see a baseball game in every stadium in the National League or something like that.

      Don't be the kind of person who does things 'for the story' so you can look cool.

      Why the hell else would you want to sit through 15 games of baseball? For the lulz?

    2. Re:Do something... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. For example, I built an electric guitar (except the neck) using only hand tools the summer before I started my PhD program.

  78. start working and partying by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    Many commenters have said 'party' or 'get laid a lot'...this guy gets +5 for 'start working early'...both seem like good options.

    The point is, by this point in your life, you should have some idea of what kind of 'work/life' balance works for you, so now you execute.

    What I'm saying is, do both: get involved in work you love and get out and have some fun. You will most likely be in your current town for awhile. Branch out, start making professional contacts, go to art gallery openings, go to 'meet ups' or happy hour networking bullshits...

    For better or worse, 'work' and 'partying' overlap a lot more than some university students think. It is hard to provide evidence for such a claim beyond annecdotes...it's true. You don't have to mix work and pleasure, but you at least need to get an idea how you can fit into different situations.

    --
    Thank you Dave Raggett
  79. Take you and your ego and just leave. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congrats on having your ego stroked by Slashdot. Who, except you, cares that you achieved a spot as a doctoral student. Big whoop. Must be a slow news day for this to be considered news for nerds.

    1. Re:Take you and your ego and just leave. by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Congrats on having your ego stroked by Slashdot. Who, except you, cares that you achieved a spot as a doctoral student. Big whoop. Must be a slow news day for this to be considered news for nerds.

      I predict he'll spend the summer recovering after having broken his arm patting himself on the back.

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      If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
  80. Get a hobby... by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    if you don't already have one. And maybe try something out of your research area.

    PhD students usually live their work, so you may be so used to not having hobbies that you don't realize it ;)

    Anything that involves moving around is probably a good place to start.

    --
    Thank you Dave Raggett
  81. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have some fun. If you're going to spend the next 5 years grinding it out on your leather ass for some jack-off advisor, at least get properly fucked up for the summer before.

  82. Nothing!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in my 4th year in a CS Ph.D. program. This is your last vacation. Ever. Do nothing. Do less than nothing. Do even less than that.

  83. tour Belgium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I took a tour of Belgium for 30 days and it was a great experience. Small country with great food and people, the university there is incredible and very old (Leuven). I would also recommend trying to get a chapter from some classwork, and picking a committee with members who are older and won't use your diss to make a point but help you get through it.

  84. Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just for context, I am a prof. in a US biology dept. I'd recommend experimenting in areas nearish but not in your area of interest (experimenting as in trying/playing, not slapping on nitrile gloves). Think of analogies: if you are going into biochem, and think of a cell as a factory, read up on how actual factories run. If you are curious about phylogenetic history of plants, read about how religions have branched through time. If you will be doing a lot of coding in R, try doing something in a very different style -- maybe program in lego's mindstorms visual programming environment. You will be getting specialized soon, but many great ideas in bio were partially inspired from seemingly unrelated areas. Famously, Darwin developed some of his ideas about evolution whule reading Malthus for fun, and the more you can be like Darwin, the better off you'll be (just don't marry your cousin).

  85. Grow dope by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    seriously...

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    by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
  86. Learn statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get some training in HPC and ensure you have a strong statistics background. You can do this while fucking around like everyone else suggests.

  87. drugs by ThurstonMoore · · Score: 1

    Do lots of drugs and enjoy yourself.

  88. Re:It's never too late... by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

    It's permitted whenever it reads well. It's a myth that one cannot start a sentence with "and" or "but", just as it's a myth that split infinitives are categorically forbidden.

    --
    Space game using normal deck of cards: http://BattleCards.org
  89. Re: commas don't go before "and." by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Name one example of a 'rule meant to be followed'? Not a law of physics.

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  90. Fly you fool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a bio PhD from a prestigious school (think top 2 in the world). I love science, enjoy benchwork, have a good work ethic, great at networking, have published well, etc. I know the game, very well, so listen up. The job situation sucks balls, especially if you want to be an academic. It is a path to misery my friend. You think you are special because you got into a PhD program? You are not! It is a sweatshop, and you are drone 4315387. My advice: the PhD is not worth the sacrifice. And the academic path is a never-ending sacrifice. I would not do it again. if you really love bio, get into industry, learn everything you can, climb the ladder, make connections and money. Connections+money = options and quality of life. If you're hard up to 'answer questions' (eyes roll) industry has R&D as well, with the difference being that you're addressing questions in the context of more practical constraints (price, efficiency, yield, etc.) that are much more valuable in today's economy. You can always go back to school if you really want the paper. If you are really determined to get this PhD now, do it as quickly as possible. 'Passion for science' and 'curiosity' are the carrots that professors throw you to keep you working on their hare-brained schemes. Don't fall for it! Find the most bread-and-butter project that guarantees you a paper a year. And when I say guarantee, I mean guar-an-fawk-ing-tee. Then start agitating to graduate after the first paper is published with the goal of being done in three years. I've seen good scientists do it in three years with solid publications. They got their degree and moved on to whatever they wanted to do. Or you can take 6 years to figure out what protein X's role in yeast secretion is (like all the other lemmings). Sincerely, Dr. Drone 2431769

  91. don't do it by morian97 · · Score: 1

    "am not sure If I am interested in doing something related to my research interests" ---- this is a warning sign!!!! You should not do it! You need to have passion and luck to succeed after you defend. It doesn't look like you have the first component. Also how are your writing, communication and marketing skills? - these are becoming more important than research when you plan to stay in academy. PhD in biol. sci., while fun to study, is a horrible choice career and life-style wise. I have one... Good luck anyway!

  92. hike the AT with a linear algebra book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... a nice compact one.

  93. Will you get a job you are happy with? by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

    My recommendation would be to spend some time looking at what jobs are available to PhD graduates in your field. Then look at the salaries. Make sure that you are happy doing the job and making that salary.

    If you aren't, it's not too late to switch to chemistry or bio-chem or whatever you want to be doing when you graduate.

    I cannot stress how important it is that you think hard about it now, because this will be your last chance to change fields without a massive hit to your resume or your personal life, if at all.

    Also, if you are thinking about taking the summer to get your ya-yas out before graduate school starts, you're still thinking like an undergrad and may not be ready to go to graduate school. Your peers (and future competitors) are probably pursuing research positions for the summer before they ship out. Jobs are tight right now and bio grad-students are plentiful and cheap. Work hard to set yourself apart from your peers or don't bother with the grind.

  94. Quit now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before you waste any more of your life

  95. once-in-a-lifetime opportunity -- don't waste it by allwheat · · Score: 1

    When you begin working on your PhD, you will continue working on your PhD until it is complete, at which time you will either directly enter industry or a postdoc. A gap in a resume is a serious concern to many employers, unfortunately. If you do a postdoc, you will continue doing postdocs until you get a job and then you will work for the rest of your life, with bills to pay and mouths to feed. A three-month vacation is not in your forecast at any other time in your life other than after you retire. Now would be a good time, not just to vacation, but to have the best vacation of your life. Go where you've always wanted to go with someone you'll have a great time with. The probability that you will ever have another opportunity like this is slim to nil. And go ahead and spend some money. It's okay. You won't be as poor being a grad student as you were when you were an undergrad.

    That doesn't mean some preparation won't help. First of all, you should try to think about what kind of biologist you want to be. You should try to be good at it, whatever it is. It's going to require some planning and introspection. One thing to anticipate is that you're going to be very busy and under a lot of pressure. You should plan for ways to deal with that in advance. One way of dealing is to have some hobby or something as an occasional escape. Be careful though in choosing your hobby. Try to choose something that doesn't take much time, and that isn't intellectually taxing. My hobby was learning Japanese, a bad choice on both grounds. If I was to do it over, I would try a sport or something physical. That gets your mind off your work, and it can release a lot of stress. Another thing to prepare for is planning time for your own personal study. You're going to be terribly busy studying for exams and doing homework, etc. Find something that you're interested in, and look into that. Figure something out on your own that is not required work. This actually helped me a lot at the times when I felt overwhelmed. Another thing you're going to want to work into your schedule is some career planning. Do something once every few weeks. Look at indeed.com, craigslist, jobiology or whatever, and see what companies are looking for. As bad as it sounds for biologists, as I'm looking for jobs, there are many more options there than for physicists. If you're reading slashdot, you likely have some technical abilities. Programming often comes in handy. In physics, some programming was used in about 80% of PhD's, and I'd guess it's somewhere around 60-70% of biologists, but don't quote me on that. Anyway, if you like programming, it couldn't hurt to get a little more experience here. Scientific programming is different from sys-admin or soft-dev, so maybe look into some of the well-known programs in your field and get to know them. Chances are, these days, a lot of them will be open-source. At least many in physics are. Personally, I think it's a good idea to program in a language that is common in your field. If it's Fortran, then it's Fortran (it's not as bad as it used to be). But go with the group on this so you can cooperate with your colleagues.

    In your PhD, the three keys to success are not location location location, it's Adviser Adviser Adviser. This is one of the big choices you will make in your life. Do it carefully. Your adviser will be your parent, prosecutor, parole officer, and savior (or destructor), all in one. There are some very excellent advisers out there and there are some real assholes too, and it's actually kind of hard to tell even after being there fore a couple of years. Other commentors have mentioned some useful ideas for selecting an adviser, so see those too. It's sometimes hard to get an honest comment from current students of some advisers because of the conflict of interest, so really ask around and talk through your ideas with some of the older grad students, but definitely more than one. One other point I'd like to make is that you should select someone as good/prestigious as possible. I opted not to go w

  96. two words by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    Jersey Shore

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  97. Work by Guillaume+le+Btard · · Score: 1

    Work to save up so you can pay back your loans faster.

  98. Hang out in bars, talk loudly about your PhD by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    You're going to attract women like a shoe sale. There's a bar here in town where guys in med school and chiropractor's school hang out and women are all over it trying to land one. VERY HOT women I might ad. Females here Dr. and biology in the same sentence and you're going to think Brad Pitt is standing behind you.

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  99. Withdraw your enrollment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go get a job instead.

  100. Mongol Rally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Compete in the Mongol Rally! http://mongolia.charityrallies.org

  101. Re:It's never too late... by PiMuNu · · Score: 1

    Nice, but citation needed.

  102. Just take it easy and fun by guacamole · · Score: 1

    The _last_ thing you want is to arrive to school already burned out. Realize that you will have plenty of opportunity for burn outs in school. Trying to look up and study something right now is probably a waste of time. Once in grad school, and under a watchful eye of your advisory, you will have the judgement on what to study and how to prepare yourself. For now, just take it easy and do something fun. I'd visit music festivals, national parks, travel abroad, etc. Enter the grad school well rested and ready.

  103. Enjoy yourself, your next 5 years will be hard by GauteL · · Score: 1

    But also, if you don't know how to program, you should learn, and quick. Not only will it help being able to create and run new simulations, it is also a fantastic fallback.

    If you struggle to get a job in a lab afterwards, you could go for scientific/engineering developer with great domain knowledge. Think the guys that write software for bio-engineers.

    1. Re:Enjoy yourself, your next 5 years will be hard by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Doing 5 years research in a subject you're interested in is not "hard". Working for 40 years at a series of shitty jobs in which you have zero interest simply in order to house and feed yourself is hard.

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  104. Really? Asking Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Might as well join that PhD program that researches the limits of stupidity in humanity.

  105. Before it is too late... by O'Nazareth · · Score: 1

    Lose your virginity. Trust me, I have a Ph.D.

  106. Re:It's never too late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Modded down because you're flat out wrong. It was explained quite nicely to you by the post above yours.

  107. Re:It's never too late... by flimflammer · · Score: 2

    Semicolons are useful; some of us are sad we can't use regular colons more in everyday writing, and they let us pretend otherwise.

  108. Re:It's never too late... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    I'm a graduating senior from a small New England liberal arts college, and have secured a spot in a Biological Science Ph.D. program for the next five years.

    It's never too late to go back to middle school; hopefully, this time they can teach you that commas don't go before "and." :p

    You should omit a comma before "and" when you're doing a list: apples, bananas, cherries and dates.

    Otherwise, the normal rules apply, so that if it is a new clause, you can most certainly end the old one with a comma and start the new one with "and".

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  109. become aware of the path ahead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The pursuit of science and art has always had a significant but under appreciated aspirational component. As the market has become tight due to oversupply of candiates and industry contraction, the stories of overworked and dead-ended people are becoming more common and backstopped with ephemeral ideals like, "at least I was doing what I loved"

    I would recommend that you spend some of your summer clarifying ideas about how to make sure you don't get stuck. Develop a plan to exit when you see you are mired down.

    Dan Rather just put together a decent piece on the reality for scientists in the trenches. I'd recommend making it your first stop after reading the comments here.

    http://www.axs.tv/blogs/phdont-march-5-2013/

    Second get thee to the Science careers forum for great advise and support

    http://scforum.sciencecareers.org/viewforum.php?f=1

    Good luck!

  110. Re:It's never too late... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    He's attending a liberal arts college. He didn't say he was a liberal arts major.

    That is not helping! What does a "liberal arts college" mean? What is the point in calling something a "liberal arts college" if it also does science degrees?

    Here in the UK most universities do courses in a wide variety of subjects, from hard science through to fine arts, so it doesn't really arise, although you do get ones specialising in science subjects e.g. Imperial College.

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  111. Take a break by sshirley · · Score: 1

    Just go out and enjoy life. I understand the desire to get prepared and be on your A game for the first day of your program. But we're talking about 5 years of your life that are going to be centered around your studies. Enjoy a couple solid months off.

  112. Advice he asked for? by ramk13 · · Score: 1

    Wow how about some advice that he actually asked for instead of a bunch of bitter, heres-the-reality PhD rants?

    The summer between undergrad and my PhD I went on a 3 week road trip with another high school friend who was in the same position. We hit most of the southwestern US and visited several National Parks. It was a ton of fun and a great experience for both of us. We camped out a lot or stayed with friends/family which saves cash and was fun too. This was before digital cameras took off and I also got my first cell phone just before the trip. I have a ton of great memories and recently looked back at the pictures/video.

    So my advice is travel. Once you get older you'll start having more and more commitments, enjoy this 3 month period where you really aren't beholden to anyone or anything (no work, no school, no family to support/care). Don't get me wrong, the later life stuff is great, it's that this is your best opportunity to enjoy this type of freedom.

  113. Intern/Volunteer as a journalist by MadCow-ard · · Score: 1

    The largest problem that most scientists face, is that most people get involved in Science because they are not good with people. LEARN HOW TO COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY! That is the best advice to give anyone going into any area of science. If you don't volunteer as a journalist, spend the time communicating in some productive way. Practice practice practice. The better you get, the more entertaining you are, the more likely you'll be pushed up to the very top of your profession and with it have more fun at your job then all the others stuck in a lab somewhere. Trust me, learn to communicate and your life will be more enriched, both financially and professionally.

  114. Do something big, or relax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You likely won't have large chunks of free time for the next five years, or maybe ever again in your academic career. Is there something you've always wanted to do, but never quite had the time for? Go do that. I drove across the US and hiked, biked, and visited lots of national parks (I was moving from Boston to Berkeley, so it made sense to do the road trip). Another friend went climbing in Thailand for 2 months, and another went hiking in the Andes. You can do a lot in 2-3 months.

    If you are feeling burned out from undergrad, remember that it is also okay to relax! One friend of mine went and stayed with her parents all summer--she read tons of books, went hiking in the hills around the house, played with the family dog, etc. If that sounds like your idea of a good summer, by all means take some time off and focus on your mental and physical health. Grad school is a long, hard road without many opportunities for mental recovery.

    --5th year physics PhD student

  115. Fishery Observer Program in the Bering Sea by DeanPentcheff · · Score: 1

    NOAA runs the National Observer Program that puts Fisheries observers on commercial fishing vessels at sea. Being an observer on ships in the Pacific Northwest was, for me, an amazing education in applied biology. http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/observer-home/index

    It also pays you a salary while you don't need to pay rent (you're on a ship). I'm specifically recommending Pacific Northwest because it's an amazing piece of ocean to spend some time in: you train in Seattle, fly to Alaska, then get on a ship where it can snow on you in July.

    You'll have some good stories when you get back.

  116. Banjo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Play the banjo

  117. Re:It's never too late... by nmr_andrew · · Score: 1

    How best to explain this?

    A liberal arts college (in the US) generally offers most of the same undergraduate majors that the larger universities do. They have the same or in some cases more stringent requirements to get that major. In almost all cases, liberal arts colleges are smaller schools that offer few if any advanced degrees. One advantage (in most cases) is that all classes are taught by actual professors and those professors are usually hired to teach first and do research second. They have actual office hours, and unless you're in a large intro level course, you can usually get one on one time with a professor.

    Aside from size, just about all liberal arts colleges require that in addition to courses required for your major, you also take a number of courses in various other departments to round out your education and thinking. The exact requirements vary widely, but usually there are requirements for humanities (literature, history), hard sciences, softer sciences, etc. Many require writing and/or language courses.

    One possible downside is that since these schools are smaller, they may not have quite the same resources as a large research university. On the other hand, the students in general are better prepared for higher education. They also often have stronger alumni networks.

    As a final note, don't confuse a liberal arts college with a "liberal arts" major at large state universities. These are usually (with a few exceptions) just a renaming of "general studies" that sounds better and is offered for the less intelligent athletes on scholarship; no offense to any athletes who actually have a brain.

  118. You should bone up on your future by sapiens · · Score: 1

    I would wager that the small liberal arts college did not have multiple offerings in many of the areas of modern biology. So why not consider being near the top of your new graduate cohorts by reviewing all the stuff you either did not cover in your UG courses, or never got to really learn the first time around? Read some textbooks on any of the sub-disciplines of biology. Approach what you do with a drive to be outstanding not some average dude who spent the summer ...........

  119. spend time with your loved one by fragus · · Score: 1

    When I did my PhD, I had to changed language and also move across the country. Before starting, I visited a bit with my family and old friends, but most of my spare time was spent working to earn dearly needed money. Many years later, I am now retired from a fruitful and very enjoyable carrier. No regrets there! However, there is only one thing that I feel sorry about, from time to time: I should have taken more time to be with and enjoy my family during the period preceding my departure.

  120. After two masters, and one phd, I can say... by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

    Don't do ANYTHING related to it. You will have time for that. Go walk, spend a month in india, climb the andes, whatever. Those things you will miss.

  121. Learn some German or French. by Epell · · Score: 1

    Some classic biology papers are in available only in German or French.
    Personally advise German rather than French.

    -Current Biology Grad Student.

  122. Re:It's never too late... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    Chicago 14th ed., sections 5.29 and 5.33.

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  123. Advice from harvard phd student by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, everyone who posts here had a miserable time in grad school. I'm in bio grad school at Harvard and it's relaxed and fun. Sure, some people are miserable, but the rest of us are just doing what we enjoy. If you hate grad school as much as the people on Slashdot, you're doing something wrong. Maybe you're not in a good enough program, or maybe you're doing it for the wrong reasons. Maybe your entire approach is flawed.

    I suggest you travel for the summer. You'll spend the next 5 years in grad school, so you'll have plenty of time for academics. If you don't know how to program, then you can learn that on the side (it's actually very easy)

  124. Dig in, but sideways. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're planning on going an academic route in the long-term then I have some advice....which comes from having sat on hiring committees gawd knows how many times....

    If you know what your "main" research direction is going to be topic-wise (and I surely hope you know at this point....if not, get there BEFORE you start) then the following might help you get and secure an academic job.

    First, jobs at "big name" or "tier 1" institutions are, umm, rare. You'd better be VERY frigging good with VERY good contacts in a VERY hot area to get one. Seriously. Work as if you want to get employed at those places, but don't base your life plan on it.

    Odds are good you'll be at a lower tier institution where the department is smallish. So it's useful to have multiple "teaching" hats for those places. That's the kind of place I teach at. It's not where I WANTED to teach, but it's where I've ended up (just for context....I have publication numbers that warrant a big place, as many as the top 3 or 4 *full* professors PUT TOGETHER at my institution....but not the connections or the "hot area" for a big place....the biggest myth I've had blown up for me as an academic is that academe is a meritocracy....it's just not).

    This is where the advice comes from....when we hire at my institution we're looking for someone with broad enough expertise they can teach in multiple areas, and the more unrelated those are (well, within reason) the better....just to cover our bases for sabbaticals, leave etc.

    My advice is to dig around and find a project tangential to your "main research interest" that you can work on for the summer that you'll get one or two publications from as a co-author. The project can be related to your main interest, but different enough from the main one that it expands your background so you can talk about BOTH at any interviews. For instance, if you're work is going to be lab-based muscle physiology then find an exercise kinesiology project for the summer so you're getting applied experience.

    If you can, keep your thumb in that other project for the years you're in your PhD....having a side project really enhances your hiring options.

    On the hiring committees at my place we actively look for people that can collaborate with others in other research areas....that can find joint research synergies. Working just in ONE lab doesn't demonstrate that, having people in another lab that you work with just might.

    From my own experience as a student....I did the research in my group and published a fair amount during my PhD....I went to all of the big conferences that my lab did. I also went to a smaller conference (paid for out of my own pocket) that no one else in my research group did. Where did I get my jobs from? Not from the "big name" connections at major international conferences I went to with my supervisor....those never panned out (all SORTS of politics involved). Nope. I got my employment in my field from the connections I made at my smaller conference that no one else in my research group went to.

    And why am I posting anonymously? Because of this comment.....I'm the only PhD out of my lab in 13 years that was a non-equity hire (ya, I'm a white male, and certainly not the only one out of the lab) that has a tenure-track job. The rest of the few PhDs hired out of my lab group over 13 years all allow the hiring institution to check off an equity box (and they ARE at bigger institutions despite MUCH weaker CVs). Am I complaining? No. But I AM saying that if you WANT a job you have to set up the conditions for it...and part of that is understanding the job market that exists.....such as expecting to work at a small place NOT a large place and preparing for THAT kind of job....and a broad background helps with that.

    Best of luck.

    And, by the way, I agree with the other posters that say get out, get out now. If I'd truly understood what a profs job was like I would NEVER have done a PhD. I think it was probably a great job in the 70's and 80's. I think it stinks like a rotten carp now.