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Ask Slashdot: Dealing With Flagged Channels For XBMC PVR?

AlphaWolf_HK writes "I own an HDHomeRun Prime tuner, and unfortunately I live in an area where the cable provider (Cox) blanket flags all channels to be copy restricted. I'm tired of using Windows Media Center due to bugs and other problems, but since the channels are flagged it is the only option. Satellite is of course not an option at all (no cablecard or similar standard.) I've already begun moving most of my content watching to XBMC in the form of using sickbeard and couchpotato, both of which do an amazing job even with torrents now that Usenet has been getting hit pretty hard. To match this, I've already dropped my cable tier to the lowest possible for some basic digital channels that people in my household still watch and aren't available over torrents. But ideally I'd like to cut the cord completely as the service is otherwise useless. Are there any options for obtaining this content without physically moving to Comcast territory where they don't do this? Or perhaps any workarounds for the CCI flag? Ideally, anything that allows XBMC with digital content and no transcoding."

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  1. Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Write to your congress critter, whine online, nothing will happen. Cancel the service, you can live without cable-TV.

    1. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I believe the OP is looking for answers, not a lecture.

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    2. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Art+Challenor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is "Ask Slashdot", you always get one of those and sometimes both.

    3. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > No music or video is worth jailtime.

      When has that ever happened?

      People get SUED for that sort of thing. The Gestapo doesn't come breaking down your door over music or video. They value it about as much as you do.

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    4. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by BobNET · · Score: 3, Funny

      I, personally, would rather spend my time doing something useful than watch television. In fact, I don't even own one.

      I'm not an elitist. It's just that I'd much rather sculpt or write in my journal or read Proust than sit there passively staring at some phosphorescent screen. If I need a fix of passive audio-visual stimulation, I'll go to catch a Bergman or Truffaut film down at the university. I certainly wouldn't waste my time watching the so-called Learning Channel or, God forbid, any of the mind sewage the major networks pump out.

      People don't realize just how much time their TV-watching habit -- or, shall I say, addiction -- eats up. Four hours of television a day, over the course of a month, adds up to 120 hours. That's five entire days! Why not spend that time living your own life, instead of watching fictional people live theirs? I can't begin to tell you how happy I am not to own a television.

    5. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not an elitist.

      Yes you are. Telling people with a certain hobby that your hobbies are superior to theirs is the very definition of elitist.

      Why not spend that time living your own life, instead of telling other people how to live theirs?

    6. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by seinman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Live broadcasts. For me, it's sports. There are a lot of sporting events that I want to watch that are only on cable/satellite. Even if there was someone torrenting sporting events (I've looked high and low, unless it's the super bowl, this doesn't exist), I would still rather watch most of them live.

    7. Re:Don't try it, it's illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not an elitist.

      Yes you are. Telling people with a certain hobby that your hobbies are superior to theirs is the very definition of elitist.

      Why not spend that time living your own life, instead of telling other people how to live theirs?

      Because his real hobby is telling people how much better he is than others.

      My hobby is pointing out hypocrites. Of which I am one.

  2. Go OTA by Lev13than · · Score: 5, Informative

    What about using an antenna? I cut cable about 7 years ago - everything comes in on Mythbuntu via an HDHR hooked up to a small roof-mounted antenna. We get about 30 channels OTA with no excess compression and no copy protection. Everything else comes in over the net (Netflix and "other").

    You don't say what metro area you are in or whether you are living in an antenna-friendly building but you've already got 90% of the gear you need. Lots of info on the web about how to make the jump. You may have already investigated OTA, but if not you definitely should.

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    1. Re:Go OTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Get a Dreambox, install one of the 'special' firmwares and you can watch and record whatever, whenever. Google for more info.

    2. Re:Go OTA by DriveDog · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you have an attic, I would suggest hanging several directional homemade Hoverman antennae in the attic, each pointed towards a station you want. Materials for the antenna—wood, coathangers, screws, wire, possibly ratwire or something for a reflector, and a balun, should cost you maybe $5 each (I had all the junk to make several without spending a dime). You might need to buy some coax. These things are much, much better than the indoor antenna junk being peddled in stores for $30, $50, even more. I implanted one in the wall behind the TV just for backup in case the IPTV setup goes down. The angle just happens to work for the two closest channels.

    3. Re:Go OTA by ChaseTec · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't buy some expensive antenna, you can build a good one yourself, see http://www.tvantennaplans.com/ I also used two android apps, TV Antenna Helper (to figure out where the transmit towers are) and Hdhomerun Signal Meter (to make sure I had the direction of my antenna perfect).

      Hulu, NetFlix, and Amazon Prime for the rest of my content.

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  3. Re:Rule #1 by geminidomino · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thanks for that post. What would we do without you?

  4. HD PVR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Use an HD PVR with the component outputs of your cable box - no cable card so you have to pay the monthly cable box rental fee. This will allow you to record anything that the cable box can see.

    http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

    I haven't used XBMC but this works very well with MythTV and Verizon FIOS.

  5. Geeze by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 5, Funny

    First world problems...

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  6. this worked for us... by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Informative

    a) Cancel cable service. Retain or sign up for broadband.

    b) Erect old fashion antenna. (We get 13 digital channels off the antenna, although many of them are crap.

    c) Buy roku box. ($99 Amazon), less than the cost of 1 month of cable.

    d) Subscribe to Netflix streaming, and/or Hulu +, Amazon streaming (Any combination still a tiny fraction of the cost of cable/satellite)

    e) Whatever you can't get via above, torrent, or maybe read a book, go walk the dog, try to remember what your kids look like.

    f) When all else fails, remember, It's Only TV. It's quite a ways down on Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

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  7. Re:Rule #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can someone moderate this idiot as off topic flamebait?

    If you personally dislike TV, that's your business. Other people like TV. We like shows like "How they make that".

    You are like an idiot that hears how the 1997 NY city phone book was the most popular book ever published, reads it, then complains that all books are stupid.

    Stop telling other people what to enjoy, and live your own life.

  8. Re:Help me steal crap by BitZtream · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wrong.

    The entire post is can be summurized as:

    I was paying for it and they won't let me fucking watch it on my equipment so now I just steal it since apparently pirates can do a better job of getting me what I want to watch FOR FREE than Comcast can manage to pull of while consume copious amounts of my money for the disservice.

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  9. Re:Help me steal crap by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > There are legitimate gripes about access, copy protection, and copyright issues... but this doesn't come close to any of them.

    Sure it does and you're a big fat jackass.

    This is about some guy wanting to use the service he's paid for in the way he wants to use it. The service provider will let him use Windows but this guy doesn't want to do that because he finds that it sucks. He can't use alternatives and is stuck using one monopoly product to deal with another.

    This whole "we need to encrypt everything" is nonsense. As soon as you paid for it, you should be able to use it however you like.

    The path between the cable box and the TV should be all in the clear.

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  10. +1000 Go OTA by jddj · · Score: 3, Informative

    Been over-the-air for years.

    We get pristine 1080i network-supplied digital picture for free, no broadcast flag, a fair number of local channels, and Netflix, Amazon and Sony Playstation Store supply the rest over the internet.

    Haven't really done much with Hulu, but it's another opportunity for you to stream fresh content.

    I use MythTV and a HD Homerun tuner, running on Debian on a QNAP TS-119 (which draws something like 6 watts spun up). For TV frontends, I use the PS3, or a recent Mac Mini.Very reliable.

    Took a fair amount of setup, but all works great. My just-turned-five kid has been working the remote himself for about 18 months, getting lots of great commercial-free kids programming from PBS.

    Been forever since I've paid for cable TV.

  11. Re:Rule #1 by Bigby · · Score: 4, Informative

    You must not watch sports...which is fine. But your whole strategy blows up for half the population that sees the primary purpose of a TV being for sports.

  12. Re:Basic services are often free over the air by cshay · · Score: 3, Informative

    Incorrect. Both UHF and VHF are still used by digital broadcasters and the same old antennas are still used (rabbit ears for VHF and bowties for UHF).

    The USA decided that digital broadcasting was so efficient that they could auction off UHF channels 59 through 69 in 2008.

    Please do some googling before making such erroneous comments.

  13. Re:Problem: The Cable TV Sports Monopoly by yurtinus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not big on sports, so I haven't done the research you have - but it makes me curious how much money they are leaving on the table by not making games available as streams. I expect if the cable companies rigged up pay per view streams for all of the games they cover, they could bring in tons of money from folks not interested in huge season costs.

    Then again, I stopped letting TV rot my brain long ago! After all, every hour spent watching TV is an hour not spent playing video games...

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  14. Blanket copy restricted is not allowed by mattack2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you truly mean *all* channels, even rebroadcasts of OTA channels, are protected, then this is against the FCC's rules, and you should file a FCC complaint.

    Also, if *other channels* don't want themselves to be protected and they are being protected, you can help get them unprotected (I have seen people talk on tivocommunity.com of having this work on their cable systems).

  15. Re:Rule #1 by vux984 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    hat's funny, but this naturally and frequently arises in casual conversations because most people do watch TV and many TV watchers insist on making this a prime topic of discussion.

    Except that's not what happened here. Nobody was talking to him. Nobody asked him anything. Indeed, he could have simply clicked the back button in his browser and read the next slashdot story.

    But instead, he had to take the time out to tell someone who had never approached him personally that he didn't have cable.

    I've never watched an episode of "Seinfeld" but people have mentioned it to me innumerable times.

    Understood. But if you hear two people "having a conversation at the watercooler" about Seinfeld do you sidle up, get their attention, look down your nose and say "I don't watch that show."? Because THAT is what people find annoying.

    IMO, the reason people get annoyed when you tell them that you don't own or watch TV is that on some level, they also realize that it's wasting their time and polluting their brain.

    For my part, I don't watch reality TV, and refuse to watch it out of principle. If someone engages me in conversation about a reality show I can either deflect it as something I didn't watch, or I can do the whole "I don't watch garbage like that routine." depending on whether I want to simply politely change the subject or whether I want to make the point that I think its stupid and that watching it is stupid. With my mother in law, for example, I tend to be the diplomat; "Oh, no, I haven't seen that." with others I'll take the shot.

    In my experience few people are offended unless I take the effort to at least imply that I think the show they are talking about is not worth my time, or anyone else's.