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Physicists Discover 13 New Solutions To Three-Body Problem

sciencehabit writes "It's the sort of abstract puzzle that keeps a scientist awake at night: Can you predict how three objects will orbit each other in a repeating pattern? In the 300 years since this 'three-body problem' was first recognized, just three families of solutions have been found. Now, two physicists have discovered 13 new families. It's quite a feat in mathematical physics, and it could conceivably help astrophysicists understand new planetary systems." The paper is available at arxiv.

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  1. Never thought it would be so hard to have a 3some by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Funny

    Though I'll admit it's entirely theoretical for me so far.

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  2. Re:anonymous coward discovers new way to first pos by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

    naked and petrified!

    You mean the paleolithic version of the three body problem?

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  3. Oh, you're talking about THAT three-body problem. by QilessQi · · Score: 4, Funny

    The one that *usually* keeps scientists awake at night is, "how can I get my girlfriend and her cute roommate into bed at the same time?"

  4. See the actual orbits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The orbit gallery

    Click on an orbit and look at the "real space" diagram to see the actual paths of the planets.

  5. Re:having said that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    would anyone care to explain how much accurate are the numerical analysis/numerical integration solutions ?

    They are as accurate as you care to make them. The problem is that increased accuracy over a long period can
    require an exponential increase in cost.

    Does the accuracy depend on how small is the dt we chose between each calculation ?

    Precisely.

  6. Very special cases by tylersoze · · Score: 4, Informative

    While the results are interesting, it looks like the 13 new solutions all involve 3 equal mass bodies with total zero angular momentum and coplanar. Of course, all the periodic solutions are probably special cases of some sort.

    1. Re:Very special cases by c0lo · · Score: 4, Informative

      While the results are interesting, it looks like the 13 new solutions all involve 3 equal mass bodies with total zero angular momentum and coplanar. Of course, all the periodic solutions are probably special cases of some sort.

      From the point of view of "conceivably help astrophysicists understand new planetary systems" (TFA claim): the zero angular momentum doesn't bother me that much: it'd be a planetary system that rotates in time. The coplanar... mmmhh... maybe an acceptable approximation. It is the mass equality that one doesn't see too often.

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  7. Re:having said that by etash · · Score: 4, Informative

    so that actually means that for any dt, however small it is, given enough simulation time, there is a time point in the future after which the simulation is completely wrong ( for various values of "completely" )

  8. Re:Oh, you're talking about THAT three-body proble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think just getting the girlfriend into bed (or having one, for that matter) is sufficient of a problem for most scientists.

  9. Re:Oh, you're talking about THAT three-body proble by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Informative

    "how can I get my girlfriend and her cute roommate into bed at the same time?"

    Try turning the lights off and leaving the room.

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  10. Re:Oh, you're talking about THAT three-body proble by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think just getting the girlfriend into bed (or having one, for that matter) is sufficient of a problem for most scientists.

    Well, at least they've already solved in for a spherical girlfriend in vacuum.

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  11. Re:having said that by MickLinux · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't think they did it that way, rathe, they are using the computer to help them predict repeating lissajous patterns (for want of a better term) on their transformed sphere-space.

    That then relates back to a specific repeating orbit in 3-space.

    This is rather interesting, in that it is quite similar (methinks) to the knot classification problem.

    But looking at the lissajous figures, it doesn't really seem to me that there are fourteen new classes, unless the lagrange solutions -- which are all a single class -- were counted as five.

    But it's no less impressive, what they have done. They have started to transform from physicists to mathematicians.

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  12. Re:having said that by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You misunderstand the laws of thermodynamics. They apply also at the quantum level, and deal mostly about the energy cost of transferring a bit of information. The trick being that the bit may or may not decay with some probability which depends on how much energy you put into preserving it. Where a "bit" is for example the excitation level of an electron.

    The universe is truly nondeterministic. It really is a hugely complicated probability density function :)