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U.S. Calls On China To End Hacking; Start Cyberspace Dialogue

New submitter trickymyth writes "For the first time, the United States has mentioned the People's Republic of China in relation to cyber crime, officially acknowledging what has been long suspected by private security experts and the U.S. business community. The Obama Administration seeks to get the Chinese government to acknowledge the problem, to cease any state-sponsored hacker activity, and to start a dialogue on normative behavior on the internet. This announcement follows the recent 60-page report from the American cybersecurity firm Mandiant, who spent two years compiling evidence against the so-called 'Comment Crew.' They traced IP addresses, common behavior, and tools to track the group's activity, which led to a Shanghai neighborhood home to the People's Liberation Army (PLA's) Unit 61398. This tracking came at the behest of the Times, who has experienced some trouble with hacking in the past. The Chinese government rejected the report as 'unprofessional' and 'lacking technical evidence.' This announcement also comes amid a delicate leadership transition in China and numerous new reports on the vulnerability of U.S. business and government networks to attack."

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  1. Good Luck With That by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I hope this ends well, but I have a feeling that either nothing will come out of this, or the Chinese will ramp up efforts since they don't have to worry about hiding their efforts.

    1. Re:Good Luck With That by Synerg1y · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cyber war = rise of the nerds?

    2. Re:Good Luck With That by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cyber war = rise of the nerds?

      In case of Chinese government-fed hackers, it's rice of the nerds.

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      Ezekiel 23:20
  2. But Stuxnet was ok, eh? by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's ok for the US but no one else?

    Guess some left hand isn't talking to the right hand.

  3. I have a cheap solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Silly Times, if you are scared of the Chinese hackers, you can just insert this code at the top of your site:

    < h1 > tiananmen square < /h1 >

  4. It will fade away by Spy+Handler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    China is about to have an epic crash when their real estate bubble bursts:

    60 minutes on China Real Estate Bubble

    When that happens, their economy will tank... similar to what happened in U.S. in 2008. And that will bring out people demonstrating in the streets. The Chinese security apparatus will have its hands full trying to stifle online dissent and stop people from plotting against the government. Cyber attacks on external targets will fade.

    1. Re:It will fade away by ljw1004 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      China is about to have an epic crash when their real estate bubble bursts

      A different view, published a week after your CBSNews report:
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2013/03/11/chinas-non-bubble-housing-bubble/

      "By comparison, China’s housing bubble is a non-bubble... There’s also nothing close to a mortgage backed securities bubble and no sub-prime lending...'You don’t see the same amount of bank stress that you see in the U.S. because the debt levels are significantly lower, both for the builders and for the buyers'."

  5. Re:"Normative behavior" by daremonai · · Score: 4, Informative

    Um, the "firewall" in China is mostly to keep Chinese from getting out, not others from getting in. I assure you, systems in China are hacked all the time. Mostly for things like botnet recruitment, of course.

  6. Re:Agreed by c0lo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the U.S. WILL go in and do what is in their best interest.

    I don't know why I have a feeling that US'es best interest is to fix their security flaws. Otherwise... what, will you do the same when e.g. Belarus (as a country) or a group of Russian hackers (acting "in private name") decides they'd like to test US tubez?
    Or is one of your kinky pleasures to pay taxes that will end into the bank accounts of the "defense industry"?

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  7. Re:Mr President by X0563511 · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are not funny.

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    For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
  8. Corrollory to Betteridge's Law by rhysweatherley · · Score: 5, Funny

    Any headline where the US is demanding that some other country stop doing something can be simply answered with "You First Sparky!".

  9. Re:Agreed by lennier · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't know why I have a feeling that US'es best interest is to fix their security flaws.

    Fix... the flaws? But... that would be like... shipping products which were warranted to be of merchantable fitness! It would require mandatory code regression analysis and testing which might cost money and would certainly create jobs! You're asking the software industry to submit to invasive scrutiny from the same kind of Government jackboots that the food, banking and building industries now tremble under daily! And that's socialism.

    The only thing that can stop a black hat with a rootkit is a white hat with a rootkit!
    If you outlaw shoddy, worthless software containing a million zero-day exploits, only outlaws will be exploited!
    You'll take my imperative thread-based unsafe self-modifying code from my cold dead FATAL EXCEPTION AT 00FE:4358 SYSTEM HALTED!

    In conclusion, I support Mom, apple pie, and an American software developer's inalienable right to immediately patent and ship whatever string of line noise can be coerced to come out the other end of a rusty, sawn-off C++ compiler, and my esteemed opponent does not.

    I know I can trust you all to vote with your hearts.

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  10. Re:"Normative behavior" by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Funny

    "We are not hacking. Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time."

    (Guard 2 whispers): "Are they leaving?"

    "I told them we weren't hacking." (Both snicker.)

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    (-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
  11. Re:Yes by Uberbah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Call me hypocritical

    Okay. You're a hypocrite.

    but preventing Iran from having a nuclear bomb

    Iran has no nuclear weapons program.

    for the safety of the middle eastern region (and global security) is definitely worthwhile.

    So when are you going to invade Israel to dispossess them of their ~200 nuclear weapons?

    U.S. and Israeli bitching about Iran is like Biff Tannen bitching that Stephen Hawking has made a retaliatory threat to run over Biff's toes with a wheelchair if Biff attacks him first.