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Schneier: The Internet Is a Surveillance State

An anonymous reader writes "Bruce Schneier has written a blunt article in CNN about the state of privacy on the internet. Quoting: 'The Internet is a surveillance state. Whether we admit it to ourselves or not, and whether we like it or not, we're being tracked all the time. Google tracks us, both on its pages and on other pages it has access to. Facebook does the same; it even tracks non-Facebook users. Apple tracks us on our iPhones and iPads. One reporter used a tool called Collusion to track who was tracking him; 105 companies tracked his Internet use during one 36-hour period. ... This is ubiquitous surveillance: All of us being watched, all the time, and that data being stored forever. This is what a surveillance state looks like, and it's efficient beyond the wildest dreams of George Orwell. Sure, we can take measures to prevent this. We can limit what we search on Google from our iPhones, and instead use computer web browsers that allow us to delete cookies. We can use an alias on Facebook. We can turn our cell phones off and spend cash. But increasingly, none of it matters. There are simply too many ways to be tracked."

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  1. Sadly true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And sadly most of us contributed to this. Either actively by working on some piece of technology that is enabling this, or passively by sacrificing our privacy for our convenience.

    How sad it is to realize that the technology that we so much love and spend our lives working on is helping the state and big corps to spy on us.

    1. Re:Sadly true by lennier · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While it may be irritating, as long as they don't feed data to governments, it's not really Orwellian.

      And you know thatInternet companies which keep all their internal dealings secret for "commercial sensitivity" reasons are NOT feeding our data to a government which made it illegal for companies to report their national security letters.... how?

      Same way as we know that meat companies aren't cutting their beefburgers with horsemeat, I guess.

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    2. Re:Sadly true by TarPitt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because private corporations by definition can't intimidate people by force, since only people intimidated, beaten up or killed by the evil government lose their freedom.

      Being intimidated, beaten up or killed by private corporations doesn't restrict your freedom at all

      ref:
      Colorado Labor Wars
      Iron and Coal Police, a privatized law enforcement entity
      Henry Ford's Service Department - which didn't repari customers' cars but beat the crap out of union organizers

      Remember, if your are beaten or shot at by a government employee, it is evil tyranny. If you are beaten or shot at by a private security force, you are feeling the pains of FREEDOM.

      It is only bad if the government does it.

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      If your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd murder you in your sleep
  2. Ways around some of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ghostery is a good start.

  3. The need for FOSS intelligence tools for sensemaki by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Something I wrote a couple years ago: http://pcast.ideascale.com/a/dtd/-The-need-for-FOSS-intelligence-tools-for-sensemaking-etc.-/76207-8319
    "Now, there are many people out there (including computer scientists) who may raise legitimate concerns about privacy or other important issues in regards to any system that can support the intelligence community (as well as civilian needs). As I see it, there is a race going on. The race is between two trends. On the one hand, the internet can be used to profile and round up dissenters to the scarcity-based economic status quo (thus legitimate worries about privacy and something like TIA). On the other hand, the internet can be used to change the status quo in various ways (better designs, better science, stronger social networks advocating for some healthy mix of a basic income, a gift economy, democratic resource-based planning, improved local subsistence, etc., all supported by better structured arguments like with the Genoa II approach) to the point where there is abundance for all and rounding up dissenters to mainstream economics is a non-issue because material abundance is everywhere. So, as Bucky Fuller said, whether is will be Utopia or Oblivion will be a touch-and-go relay race to the very end. While I can't guarantee success at the second option of using the internet for abundance for all, I can guarantee that if we do nothing, the first option of using the internet to round up dissenters (or really, anybody who is different, like was done using IBM computers in WWII Germany) will probably prevail. So, I feel the global public really needs access to these sorts of sensemaking tools in an open source way, and the way to use them is not so much to "fight back" as to "transform and/or transcend the system". As Bucky Fuller said, you never change thing by fighting the old paradigm directly; you change things by inventing a new way that makes the old paradigm obsolete."

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    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  4. Re:Speaking of Google tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Slashdot now uses Google APIs.

    Slashdot has been a broken website for years now and constantly making things worse. It is very unwelcoming to new visitors and other AC. Especially those who run No-Script or block scripting altogether. That being a much safer way to visit websites. The so called "Classic Discussion System" is no longer available to anyone but logged in members with their preferences set for it. The option to use the "Classic Discussion System" for visitors/AC disappeared from the site quite some time ago unfortunately and since then the site is mostly unbrowsable, especially after a certain number of comments. I have little doubt that I am not the only AC here who could have had a low digit UID if they had actually cared to sign up for it. However I bet many of those no longer come to Slashdot because of how inhospitable it has become due to the abrasiveness of AJAX and javascript in general.

  5. Re:Schneier: Not a big picture guy by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are simply too many ways to be tracked."

    There always have been. We're social creatures. Try living in total isolation from society in, say, the 1800s. It was hard to completely disappear even then. Someone always knew your whereabouts even then.

    My "whereabouts" on December 25, 2017 do not concern me. Chances are on that day I'll be with family (sorry for the spoiler)

    Someone being able to record and play back every damn thing I've ever done between now and then is the difference between today and the 1800s.

  6. Re:tor by TWX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Won't work so well. They're starting to write-in to the design of the website to need them in order to get the content.

    Same with noscript functions. There are lots of sites that, in order to get content, one has to have otherwise-unrelated scripts functioning for the content to ultimately appear.

    I just don't have the browser save anything anymore at close. No cache, no cookies, no login credentials, no history, nothing. I also blocked a whole bunch of crap through my router, and I further block things through the hosts file that *I* don't use but others using the router might want or need.


    The solution that I recommend is living in the real world. Get a hobby that isn't principally on the computer. I chose things like auto restoration, model rocketry, and working with older machinery.

    They only have power because you give them power. Take away their power by no longer playing the game.

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  7. Re:tor by pepsikid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Whenever I log onto Slashdot, my firewall immediately reports Slashdot servers sniffing a bunch of my ports. I use DD-WRT with logging enabled and WallWatcher to display events.

  8. We need counter intelligence tools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What about counter-intelligence tools? Actively distorting the surveillance data being gathered to render it unreliable.

    For example: at present we delete cookies. What if we swapped them. Now a cookie doesn't have specific information about one person, it has a mishmash of unreliable data from a dozen.

  9. Re:IndexedDB by GWRedDragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just don't have the browser save anything anymore at close. No cache, no cookies, no login credentials, no history, nothing.

    Not even IndexedDB? If not, then how do you plan to use web applications' offline modes?

    "Web application" with an "offline mode"?? People actually use those?!?!

  10. Tell me why I should care by drrilll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am probably the lone wolf (in particular on slashdot) when it comes to being apathetic towards this sort of thing, but I don't see the point in being alarmist without documenting something specific. Near as I can tell it is a sophisticated way to to online advertising, not profiling for the KGB. This whole "tracking is Orwellian" thing, well please, what specifically are they doing with this information that is Orwellian? If they are tracking me for advertising purposes (which they most certainly are) what could possibly be more pedestrian and less alarming than that?. All it means is that there are occasionally ads that I care about (though still remarkably few at that).

    And yes, there is potential to do something evil, but potential is not the same as doing. If it was we would all be in jail.

    1. Re:Tell me why I should care by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Even if it is just personalized ads now it might not stay that way. Imagine your health insurance being more expensive because you're regularly buying alcoholics (of course they won't tell you that, they'll just tell you that you are in a higher risk group, if they even tell you as much). Or even worse, you have to pay more because you are living in a neighbourhood where people on average buy more alcoholics. Maybe you'll also get higher credit interest rates at your bank. Without explanation, of course.

      The point is that you may not actually notice it. The bank will not tell you "oh, you live in an area with above-average alcohol consumption, so your interest rate is higher." It will rather tell you "we have analysed your situation and this is the interest rate we consider appropriate." Without indicating that "your situation" does not only include your financial situation and credit record, but also the your buying habits and that of of your neighbourhood.

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      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  11. Re:tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Years ago someone posted that this was slashdot checking to see if you've been at risk for infection by common malware and therefore flag your posts as likely spam. I don't know why people are modding you down.